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posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 12:58 PM
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Searchers continue to find bodies off Italy's Lampedusa island after the sinking of a migrant boat. The toll stands at at least 110, but it's feared 300 people may have died in one of Europe's worst recent sea disasters.

The United Nations special rapporteur for migrant rights, Francois Crepeau, said the latest refugee boat disaster off southern Italy was the result of "repressive" policies towards migrants.

Speaking during a UN General Assembly session on migration, the Canadian law professor said the "criminalization of irregular immigration" had played a role in Thursday's sinking of a fishing boat packed mainly with Somalis and Eritreans in the Mediterranean.



Hundreds of refugees feared dead off Lampedusa

What a Nightmare!

But Europe waked up by this Drama,
they need to discuss this Topic and the People need to understand
that Immigration is happening always!

No Fence is able to stop this Process!




posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 01:04 PM
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BRUSSELS (IDN) - The tragic loss of some 300 refugees off Lampedusa on October 3 gives public focus to the harsh and cruel reality facing thousands fleeing insecurity and oppression in the countries of their birth. A boat which traveled from Libya caught fire in close reach of the Italian coast.

There were some 500 Eritreans on board, but only 147 were rescued according to media reports. The large loss of life taking place in sight of the Italian beaches has shocked Italy, Europe and the world. It emphasizes the failure of Europe and Africa to protect the rights of refugees who embark on their perilous voyages believing that they have little choice.

According to the UN, 30,100 migrants reached Italy by sea so far this year and some 7,500 Eritreans have been registered amongst them. October 5 is being observed as a day of mourning and Pope Frances has called for ‘a day of tears’. The victims of the latest tragedy are largely from Eritrea.

Eritrea is one of the most repressive and isolated African countries. It is estimated that some 5,000 Eritreans leave their country every month, most risking death for crossing the border without official sanction.

A minority of these reach Europe. In reality most of the refugees remain in Africa, trying to survive until such time that they feel it is safe for them to return home. Many fall victim to criminal gangs and traffickers seeking to exploit their vulnerability.

Thousands of Eritreans have been abducted with the assistance of Eritrean and Sudanese officials and taken to the Sinai where they are held captive, brutally treated, raped and tortured. Held for ransom for up to US$ 40,000, they risk death should this not be paid.

The EU still has a diplomatic mission in Asmara, the capital of Eritrea, yet there has been an utter failure to bring about any change in this country. Being in an extremely strategic location on the Red Sea and with the high plateau overseeing the Arabic peninsula, the EU’s presence should be seen as essentially strategically motivated. The economic and political situation as well as the human rights record in this country are so tragic and dismal that it is hard to imagine what other reason could possibly motivate a presence of the EU.

People leave Eritrea in desperation and despite a shoot-to-kill policy at the border. They are smuggled and trafficked, often kidnapped along the way. In Libya they face detention, torture and hunger and risk being deported back to Eritrea. Many refugees are kidnapped and taken by force to Sinai where they face cruel torture and killing and where incredible sums of ransoms are demanded.

In Egypt the situation has dramatically worsened since the political crisis there erupted and refugees are held in closed detention centers.


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posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 01:16 PM
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No Fence is able to stop this Process!


That I agree with. No fence or border guard will stop people from running from problems at home to bring them to entirely new places and, in short order, recreate what they left.

If people stayed home and worked to FIX IT....we wouldn't have displacement of people by the millions on all but one continent on our planet ...and find a way to make that one livable, we'll have boat people showing up in McMurdo's little parlor too.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 01:35 PM
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Sometimes the problems at home are unsolvable,
the fight between Muslims, Christians or Jews are Prime-examples
but we have also the environmental Impact, there are more and more
Drought Areas where Farming becomes impossible!

But i agree with you too, "normally" People need to find a Solution
but sometimes when you are without Resources it is highly difficult!

Europe was always a place for massive Migration Processes
but the Borders stopped/ try to scotch it.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 01:37 PM
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I don't think anyone with functioning ears, eyes, and synapses has been ignorant of the fact that illegal immigration happens, or indeed that people put themselves at huge risk, or are placed in danger by people smugglers in order to reach the shores of lands less harsh than their own. It is public knowledge that these things happen, and that the people who undertake these dangerous voyages, have a multitude of different reasons for doing so.

Some have no hope of finding work in their own nation, and leave in order to find work elsewhere to send money home. Others may be in danger in their own nations, from one paramilitary outfit or another, and/or need refuge from harassment, torture, or death at the hands of their own nations government. There are also those who take the risk, to avoid having justice visited upon them for the evil they have wrought in their home nations.

Whatever the reasons for an individual leaving their homeland, and trying to gain access to another, the fact is that it is one of the most dangerous things to do, especially if one places ones life in the hands of a person whose only motivation is increasing the contents of their wallets. However, saying "it happens" does not mean that we ought to simply brush these things off. One death is tragic, but the sheer number of casualties, both confirmed, and potential, is staggering. Is enough done to prevent these things from happening? Are people who are yet to leave their own nations, being given enough options by the embassies of other lands?

There is much that could be done, if only territory was held as being less important than doing all that can be done, for those most in need.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 02:11 PM
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People need to understand
that Immigration is happening always!

No Fence is able to stop this Process!


It's only happening because it's being encouraged by globalist western governments.

This relentless invasion of Europe by Africans and Middle East people wouldn't be occurring if these people didn't believe there was a very good chance they'd be taken in and given homes and money, regardless of their ability/desire to work/speak the appropriate language.

For some peculiar reason, the globalists want to fill western countries to overflowing with human cargo from the third world.

It could easily stop right now if they would stop inviting them, though that wont happen.

It seems to be going to a kind of timetable - only started happening about 20 years ago, I don't recall it happening before then, and certainly not in the 60s and 70s when I was growing up.

Never heard of then.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 02:12 PM
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Human0815

The United Nations special rapporteur for migrant rights, Francois Crepeau, said the latest refugee boat disaster off southern Italy was the result of "repressive" policies towards migrants.

Speaking during a UN General Assembly session on migration, the Canadian law professor said the "criminalization of irregular immigration" had played a role in Thursday's sinking of a fishing boat packed mainly with Somalis and Eritreans in the Mediterranean.





Once again the UN shows total disregard for the sovereign rights of individual countries to protect their own citizens and economies from invasion.

It's as if you locked your doors and windows and a burglar fell and died while trying to crawl in an upstairs _

It's your fault he died because of your criminalization of irregular entry.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 02:35 PM
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There was much bigger Migration Processes in the past than now,
the Saxons who kicked out the Celtic Tribes, the Irish who needed
to leave their Potato Fields,
the Germans who moved to Russian Territory, etc., etc.!

I understand your Problem too but you need to realize that this
People are not your Enemies, they are Earthlings like you
and your Neighbor, the problems of Immigration comes because
of a wrong System but not because of this People who
want to have a piece of the Cake too!



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 02:35 PM
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reply to post by Human0815
 


It´s a very tragic and horrifying disaster. This pic is from the ongoing funeral in Italy of the found victims (111 coffins). The small white coffins, with teddy-bears on top, are the dead children.



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posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 02:38 PM
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I think that you are wrong, a pregnant Women, a Baby or/ and a Child
are not Thieves who want to steal your Silver!

We can't demand our own Freedom but restrict other People and force
them to risk their Life with dramatic Results!
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posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 02:43 PM
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Your grasp of history leaves a considerable amount to be desired, if you REALLY think that immigration has not been an issue until so recently as you state. We have had people coming here to our nation from all over the world, since well before the Romans arrived here, and for the vast majority of the history of my nation, visitors and new intake were welcomed, with open arms, assuming of course, that they didn't turn up armed to the eyeballs and seeking the blood of its residents.

It's only since the slave trade began, that any animosity began between long term residents of this fair isle, and those who were newly arrived to our shores has really come to the fore. Before that, immigrants often attained high office, gained the ear of kings, were loved as brothers, regardless of their origin, and discrimination and automatic suspicion being placed upon a person based on their nation of origin were unheard of, aside from persons from nations which had tried to invade and enslave our people, and even such animosity as there was would be worn away over time.

Sadly, since the slave trade began and supposedly ended, the psychological conditioning that it left behind, still lingers, which is why we have this over inflated sense of territory. It doesn't matter where a person is from, or what they call their God, or if they do not even believe in one. It is the human thing to do to love your fellow man, and all other behaviour, derision, suspicion, distrust, aimed toward those who give up their birthright at home, to come to a place of peace is inhuman.

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posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 02:44 PM
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This sort of thing happens because we allow it to happen. We allow tyrants to rule us without lifting a finger to help ourselves. The consequences of our inaction reaches far wider than just our own circumstances.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 02:46 PM
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reply to post by TrueBrit
 


I really like your views TrueBrit. They are refreshing. A big star for you



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 02:59 PM
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reply to post by Human0815
 


The mass immigration to western nations of present times is completely unprecedented. So, you're wrong.
Of course immigration has always occurred, and incidentally, was never a welcome phenomenon from the point of view of the indigenous populations.

But it was small fry compared to what is going on right now. What we have now is planned, deliberate mass immigration, for the benefit of a minority, élitist, profiteering ruling class.


I understand your Problem too but you need to realize that this
People are not your Enemies, they are Earthlings like you
and your Neighbor, the problems of Immigration comes because
of a wrong System but not because of this People who
want to have a piece of the Cake too!


That's rich coming from someone who inhabits a near-monocultural society (Japan).

Take on a few million Africans, and put your money where your mouth is.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 02:59 PM
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Human0815
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I think that you are wrong, a pregnant Women, a Baby or/ and a Child
are not Thieves who want to steal your Silver!

We can't demand our own Freedom but restrict other People and force
them to risk their Life with dramatic Results!
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Yes,
That's the ticket.
Get those emotional points out into the open so you can prove your empathy and emotional superiority.
Have a good cry if it makes you feel better.

How about the UN going after the actual culprits in this situation?
Maybe if the UN gave a crap about helping to bring about positive change in the country that people are fleeing from instead of insisting upon exporting the problem to countries that actually are functioning....

I might be able to get behind that idea.

But nope,
The UN is the major catalyst in the worldwide idea that we must ignore the source of problems and blame people who have their house in order.

The interloper is the victim. The one defending his own is the villain.

Nothing changes.
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posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 03:05 PM
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reply to post by TrueBrit
 



Your grasp of history leaves a considerable amount to be desired, if you REALLY think that immigration has not been an issue until so recently as you state. We have had people coming here to our nation from all over the world......blah, blah


Stop blubbering. I'm talking about mass immigration, mass.

If you don't know the difference, look it up.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 03:07 PM
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TrueBrit
reply to post by CJCrawley
 


Your grasp of history leaves a considerable amount to be desired, if you REALLY think that immigration has not been an issue until so recently as you state. We have had people coming here to our nation from all over the world, since well before the Romans arrived here, and for the vast majority of the history of my nation, visitors and new intake were welcomed, with open arms, assuming of course, that they didn't turn up armed to the eyeballs and seeking the blood of its residents.

It's only since the slave trade began, that any animosity began between long term residents of this fair isle, and those who were newly arrived to our shores has really come to the fore. Before that, immigrants often attained high office, gained the ear of kings, were loved as brothers, regardless of their origin, and discrimination and automatic suspicion being placed upon a person based on their nation of origin were unheard of, aside from persons from nations which had tried to invade and enslave our people, and even such animosity as there was would be worn away over time.

Sadly, since the slave trade began and supposedly ended, the psychological conditioning that it left behind, still lingers, which is why we have this over inflated sense of territory. It doesn't matter where a person is from, or what they call their God, or if they do not even believe in one. It is the human thing to do to love your fellow man, and all other behaviour, derision, suspicion, distrust, aimed toward those who give up their birthright at home, to come to a place of peace is inhuman.

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UUM, yeah riiiight.................s



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 03:07 PM
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If you saw a policeman ignoring a mugger, as they were mid way through beating an old woman for her pension money, would you help the victim, or walk on, muttering about the state of policing in this day and age?

The two scenarios are no different, and the correct response to them is similar. You do what you can for your fellow human beings, or you cease to be one yourself.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 03:09 PM
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I am not blubbering sir. People have been chased in great numbers to our shores on countless occasions in our nations history, escaping wars, famines, revolutions and more. It is not my fault you do not wish to interact fully with the historical elements of this issue.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 03:10 PM
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reply to post by TrueBrit
 


Though in reality, you're more likely to find a group of people standing there watching, and waiting for some-one else to intervene. That's the tragedy.





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