Why was the US gov shut down?

reply to post by beezzer

Unfortunately, there are more people that wish to see the destruction of the US than not, so government will reopen with the capitulation of the GOP, Obamacare will get funded, spending will increase, and our collapse will be made even more certain.

Now, if we can just find a way to shut down those printing presses...

Distraction. Simple distraction.

Remember everything that was to be ready by October 1st? The deliveries, the training?

And what happened Oct. 1st?

It's part of the script.

October 17th the Gov. defaults.

reply to post by AlienScience


I hope you don't expect to be taken seriously with a maddow video. Why don't you link a morgan video while you're at it.

FlySolo
I know I know, Obamacare resistance from the GOP. But that can't be the only reason can it? I mean, I can't quite understand how or why shutting down the gov helps the GOP in their cause. Is it extortion? Blackmail? Is that what this is? Because on the surface that's what this looks like. Blackmail.

Fill me in?

It looks like blackmail if one holds the definition that we live in democracy. This is really power afforded in a constitutional republic to the minority being exercised.

Truth is the Senate and the executive don't have all the power they need to get the "job" done. Listening to them flap about it all over the place they act and talk like one third of the government, that is not in their control, MUST still acquiesce.

But we have a republic not a democracy.

This is just another reason they hate the constitution or another example of how willfully ignorant they are of it and just another display of contempt they have for it.

When the republican say the democrats have shut down government they are technically correct, constitutionally speaking of course.

Obama is obligated, buy the power granted to the controllers of the house via the constitution, to negotiate with the republican controlled house.

The U.S. is a reserve-currency and consumer spending economy, so it has no choice except to borrow and spend heavily.

Problems began during the Reagan admin, when total borrowing increased across the private sector, government, and households thanks to deregulation. Some argue that problems began even earlier, when the gold standard was dropped as the country needed to create more money to support its military. The same military was later used to keep the petro-dollar propped up.

Thus, a crash, and ultimately a collapse, is inevitable. It's just that problems leading to that accelerated as the financial elite gambled and lost heavily in 2008, prompting more money creation to bail them out. This wasn't difficult to do because the Fed is controlled by the same financial elite, with debt passed on to the public.

Peak oil didn't help, starting with a drop in U.S. oil production in 1970 (prompting the use of the petrodollar) followed by global crude oil production peaking in 2005.

With that, the country had to borrow $85 billion a month during the last few years to keep government services afloat, bail out banks, and prop up consumer spending. But with increasing debt, everyone was getting fewer cents for every dollar borrowed, which makes the current shutdown inevitable.

Carreau
reply to post by AlienScience

 

I hope you don't expect to be taken seriously with a maddow video. Why don't you link a morgan video while you're at it.

Can you discredit the information in the video?

It has Republicans admitting months and years ago that they are planning on shutting down the government if they can't stop the ACA any other way.

Attacking/dismissing the source is usually what people do when they can't discredit the information and also don't want to admit the information is correct.

xstealth

buster2010
reply to post by xstealth

 

It's shutdown because the Senate and Obuma won't pass the funding bills that were passed by the house.

You seem to forget that Obamacare was already the law when the shutdown happened. This shutdown is a method of the tea party to force bills they want through the government.

No I didn't forget. Congress is doing exactly what the people voted them in to do, stop Obamacare.

Sorry you don't like it, but they are doing what they were elected to do for the first time in history.

No they were not voted in to stop Obamacare. Public opinion polls showed more people wanted Obamacare than didn't. The only reason why this is being held back is because the people who paid off these TP members are getting their monies worth. Like how Boehner refuses to call a vote because he knows the TP won't get what wants.

reply to post by JiggyPotamus


Really?... Who are the real kids throwing a tauntrum? Those who want a middle road, or those shutting down the government because they only want their way?... Hummm... Maybe you actually need to think about that for a while... Maybe a looooooooooooooooooong while...

buster2010

xstealth

buster2010
reply to post by xstealth

 

It's shutdown because the Senate and Obuma won't pass the funding bills that were passed by the house.

You seem to forget that Obamacare was already the law when the shutdown happened. This shutdown is a method of the tea party to force bills they want through the government.

No I didn't forget. Congress is doing exactly what the people voted them in to do, stop Obamacare.

Sorry you don't like it, but they are doing what they were elected to do for the first time in history.

No they were not voted in to stop Obamacare. Public opinion polls showed more people wanted Obamacare than didn't. The only reason why this is being held back is because the people who paid off these TP members are getting their monies worth. Like how Boehner refuses to call a vote because he knows the TP won't get what wants.

Interesting things have been happening in the House last week.

It seems Democrats have often voted along the lines of Republicans.

Also, Democrats seem to be voting against many social type program funding.

Those bills don't seem to be including anything about ObamaCare either !!!!!!


All kinds of bills have been passed and sent on to the Senate.
[ where they never seem to vote ]

two sites to follow these amazing trends ..............


U.S. House of Representatives Roll Call Votes


GovTrack


one example;

H.J.Res. 75: Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children Continuing Appropriations Resolution, 2014

(R) yes-222 --- (R) no-0
(D) yes-22 --- (D) no-164

Hmmm. Nothing about ObamaCare in that one. Just simple social programs.

reply to post by beezzer


You are very right about that. Notice how there are Republican Senators now saying that we need to focus on bigger issues and not on Obamacare anymore, but the thing is Obamacare will precipitate the economic collapse of the U.S., so it is a big issue...

Also, one of the things Republicans wanted to add to Obamacare is not only a one year delay but the elimination of healthcare subsidies for lawmakers which would include Senators, The President and his administration. So what Obama, his administration and other Democrats, alongside some Republicans are claiming is that we shouldn't expect lawmakers to ALSO pay for Obamacare and receive the same kind of medical attention as Obamacare wants to push down every American's throat... Go figure...

Such amendments to the bill would also slash many benefits for lawmakers, but as Reid himself has stated they don't want ANY sort of "CHANGE" to Obamacare, and there are people who still think Obamacare is to help the little people?... Please...

Why wasn't the complete government shut down years ago is the big question. I would have liked to see everything down without pay for a couple of weeks to teach everyone not to waste money. The government can turn a good idea into an expensive nightmare. It seems that this has gotten worse in the last ten years.

reply to post by FlySolo


It is up to congress to pass a budget, that includes both the democrats and republicans. They need to work together and agree on a balanced budget. They haven't been able to do that for years now. Both parties are quite honestly a joke at this point. Everyone is so busy pointing fingers that they refuse to just simply do their job. There are too many personal agendas interfering at this point.

We reach our debt ceiling on October 17th I believe. When that happens it means we have maxed out our last credit card so to speak. All of them need to get to work and cut some serious spending.