October 13 incoming Fatima consecration of pope Francis

2012newstart
reply to post by oxford

 

it is not proven we are in the tribulation or end times.
protestants and some fundamental catholics and orthodox try hard to prove it. But look at church's history. Caliphate at the time was the best candidate for the beast. Let alone Nero. None of them happened to be in historic perspective. Neither Hitler nor Stalin. Our views are limited to generally 1-3 generations. It will be wrong we think this is it, only because the crisis is here. There were worse crises even within the last 3 generations (your grandparents' stories).

One big argument we are not in the end times is the lack of christianization everywhere even on the surface of such a small planet like planet Earth. 1 in 3 is Christian and only 1 in 6 is Catholic. Or less. At the same time, almost 1 in 3 is Muslim, and 1 in 3 is Chinese or Indian some kind of buddhist. Is this the promised by Jesus gospel to be spread in the whole world? I further question that the mandate of Jesus includes OTHER PLANETS as well. Al of them who haven't heard of it. SOme have heard of it and serve already God, or rejected it (angels and demons). OK prove me wrong on that. In anyway we don't have the sign that Jesus said will precede His coming (and the trib). Some say, during the trib the gospel will be spread. Very low probability. I wouldn't bet on those theories.

Another question is where are the Jews. Find them before expect second coming of Jesus. They are the key according to Paul's writings. Or we sideline Paul's letters completely as part of the Gospel. With Paul or without? Esdras in his last chapters of 2 Esdras has some words of the lost tribes. But it is hard to interpret Esdras. First I invite you to READ HIM.

Did Jesus Really want everyone to convert to Christians?
Why would anyone need to convert to Christians?
Tribulations will never happen.
End of the World will never happen.
Stop living in fear and start living yourself fully.
There are many people (the poor etc) who needs our help.
Help them instead of being a paranoid Christian, Okay brother?
Do something useful as a Christian

reply to post by 2012newstart


Nothing is proven in any of it, your right ... The doctrines chosen in the bible were more than likely voted in by the council of Nicea, and also the fact what is the earliest bible? Most of them are hundreds of years after Jesus died/resurrected, highly unlikely to be accurate at all. Jesus was voted as ‘the son of god’ at the council if I remember rightly. Everyone seems to put such faith into a source which seems highly unreliable. More than likely we need to take the whole story which a pinch or a pillar of salt.

Please can you provide some links to the writings of Esdras and Pauls I am interested to read more, its interesting, but I profess it is not a subject I know anything about. It is an interesting thread, thank you!

I think I have to put an end of my thread participation since the big event is already passed and we have the entire text of the consecration of pope Francis. It is more than beautiful and full of meaning.

Before that, here are the links of a Bible online with all books in all languages, pretty useful site where you can find all and any quote you look for: www.biblegateway.com... Paul incuded

2 Esdras is deuterocanonical book and strangely it appears inside Latin Vulgate and inside King James, but not in today's bibles. You can read it here www.sacred-texts.com... (better skip the first 2 chapters because they are not written by Esdras).

Consecration prayer of pope Francis

Holy Mary Virgin of Fatima,
with renewed gratitude for your maternal presence
we join our voice to that of all the generations
who call you blessed.
We celebrate in you the works of God,
who never tires of looking down with mercy
upon humanity, afflicted with the wound of sin,
to heal it and save it.
Accept with the benevolence of a Mother
the act of consecration that we perform today with confidence,
before this image of you that is so dear to us.
We are certain that each of us is precious in your eyes
and that nothing of all that lives in our hearts is unknown to you.
We let ourselves be touched by your most sweet regard
and we welcome the consoling caress of your smile.
Hold our life in your arms:
bless and strengthen every desire for good;
revive and nourish faith;
sustain and enlighten hope;
awaken and animate charity;
guide all of us along the path of holiness.
Teach us your own preferential love
for the little and the poor,
for the excluded and the suffering,
for sinners and the downhearted:
bring everyone under your protection
and entrust everyone to your beloved Son, Our Lord Jesus.
Amen.

The Blessed Mother asked "Russia" specifically to be consecrated not the world. Mary told Lucia as a sister,
the Consecration would happen but it would be late. Look at the state of Russian life, proof it has taken place yet.

I left out a word...sorry.

The Blessed Mother asked "Russia" specifically to be consecrated not the world. Mary told Lucia as a sister,
the Consecration would BE DONE but it would be late. Look at the state of Russian life, proof it has NOT taken place yet.

reply to post by colbe

Here you go. Information Here .
You can learn all about basic sets and subsets.
The 'world' is the set. Russia is a subset of 'the world' and is included in 'the world' set.
Russia was consecrated. This is basic stuff. Read the link provided.

the Vatican has yet to release the full text of consecration prayer. The text above is from ...what source, was it Zenit, yes may be it was Zenit. Because the prayer was recited in Italian and very poor fainth voice of the pope. There could be changes in the final release.

I will have to leave this thread because I cannot physically reply to everything I'd want to, and because there are too many topics that derive from this one. If you want more info from my perspective please browse old posts including on Fatima threads (check my profile they are there). The questions the discussion circles right now are not the most important ones. And I cannot say everything online too. God bless everyone!

However I am tempted to add just that, as short as possible. We deal with different kinds of ET already present on Earth. Dec 9 2012 Norway spiral originated from Russian territory on 300km as high as reaching space. The following day Obama received Nobel peace prize. The following night (was it Dec 10 already) mass youtube video release of a pyramid circling above Kremlin. The youtube was shown on main Russian TV that made it popular for everyone to watch it. Detailed study showed one hotel on the vid that doesn't exist after 2006, i.e. the footage is filmed before 2006. The conclusion is more than obvious. Before 2006 Russia had contacts with someone who can build up flying pyramids 1.5 mile long, or who gave the tech so Russia to build them herself. We don't know who those ET are, we know they are not the US abduction-Grey.
Perhaps their timing of appearance 1980s-1990s matches with Gorbachev's perestroika. I.e. USSR wouldn't be made voluntarily to abandon world's largest nuclear arsenal (50,000 or more) without giving her other superior and peaceful hi-tech of ET origin.
The manifestation and first contact could have happened in 2009 or earlier if there was a good will. Russia is perfectly read for that. The world isn't. The catholic church made attempts to show there is no sin in the fact God created other creatures, in several public statements and one conference in the Vatican. How many catholics accept that today?

What happened ?
Did I miss it ?
Can I get it on DVD or stream it ?
Is the thread being abandoned because its past the 13th ?
Was there some doom porn I missed here ?

All these questions and more ?

reply to post by Tidnabnilims

you can continue it!

reply to post by 2012newstart


Ah, abandoned then. S'ok, I dont really do god stuff anyway.

I expect the moment when the catholics some of them start talking about that openly. The information is out there. Most of the info is coming from American sources and in English. I don't understand what is waited for more. Apparently the financial crisis and Middle East crisis are all connected and don't go in full scale because other issues are more important, as explained.

Especially if there is a space-event deadline such as mega solar eruption to endanger the life on earth.
Perhaps such a deadline will finally push politicians and religious to accept the facts.
You and me are not obliged to wait for that moment. Actually that moment will make useless the further discussions.

Sorry but I have other things to do, and if there is such a lack of interest and spiritual resistance on the side of the already informed catholics and others, I see no further need to repeat one and the same. My time is precious to me. You have to accept the truth after so much info has been released. Fatima is 1917. How many things happened after that. Internet wouldn't exist if all that wasn't true.

reply to post by Tidnabnilims


I don't understand how you decide the topic is abandoned and what is your purpose with your posts in this thread. If you want to contribute then please do it!

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To the catholics who just experienced the hi moment of consecration. Let indeed they open their minds more than the customs in 1917 and realize the world has changed and is quite bigger than our imagination. God is above all that. Let start investigating the whole truth, not a narrow piece of it. May be that's why the secrets are still secrets because most people, even the most informed of them (as in this forum and others) prefer the status quo. It is unrealistic to expect Rome to say things first. Rome will confirm things as they become everyday facts of life. Not vice versus.

Russian ET spaceships will save the world, may be first bringing the people underground because we are talking of millions of people who have to be sheltered, accommodated, and who are quite different as nationals and customs. China will do it her way for her own people, as well as India. The Western civilization AS OF THE MOMENT shows it is not engaged in anything like that. USA is before historic financial collapse, EU has problems no less than the US. Remains Russia as part of the old Christendom to take care of what once was Christian civilization. I don't say there wouldn't be American ET shelters and ships. Let they come too! But America seems not posed to do it right now. May be tomorrow it will. Hope so!

And pls don't call Obama and Putin antichrists. They are not born in the Roman empire, don't have heritage from there. They are not Assyrian (Isaiah). Besides, it will decide none of your problems. There are dozen, hundred people in history you could call antichrist and it would fit better in their times than these two. If someone wants to help save people, in the good old past he was called a hero, and many times after his death- a saint. There are such political and religious figures who led the Christian nations both in the West and in the East.

Now Obama people will attack me. Don't you understand I am talking primary for Russia? But I don't want to sideline the power N1 that held the Christianity during the Cold War. Most of the info on the topic we have thanks to Americans. See youtube. I believe at one moment America will join and not oppose such a drive of planetary rescue effort. America has wonderful traditions and people.

When? I don't know the space-event driven deadline but seems it is rather near.

not much happened on the 13th that was earthshaking...

but 3 things were in my personal target-scope:


Sunday 13 Oct was "UK Fungus Day" see story
www.newscientist.com...


Sunday was also World Zombie Day in London---some pics of the revelers
countdowntozerotime.com... he-capital-yesterday-to-celebrate-world-zombie-day/


and the New Orleans game vs the NE Patriots & the referees. umpires

passes that bounced off the ground were ruled completed and the overtly obvious time-out called by Brees the NO QB went unheaded which both incidents led directly to the New Orleans loss by score 30-27
those officinating crews should be fired & forfeit all pay & retirement & perks



anyone know the status of the Popes prayer or the UFOs predicted over London also on the busy day of oct. 13th?





the UK Fungus day is down my alley (see my avatard)
read the article, there are more than 1,5 million fungi samples housed ar the Kew Gardens building...interesting

detailed timeline provided by Spiritdaily www.spiritdaily.com...
Also, seems the sun wakes up these days. Follow spaceweather.com It marked May 13, 2013 with several major eruptions.

Some people think of Russia it was evil, is evil and should remain evil, to fulfil their end time prophecies. I don't think this is the wise approach of a truth-seeking faithful of any church, especially a person who is devote to Fatima.

Excuse me, but I will not believe it fully until the full text is released by the pope. It may be the case OL never asked for any consecration in first place, and never promised an era of peace. It may be another completely different case. I don't know. We don't know. Nobody knows except a handful of people.

Russia/USSR showed extremes during all that history. Spiritdaily points some episodes of the later USSR when communism was already ruined from inside bureaucracy, corruption etc. The collapse wouldn't be possible without people like gen.secretary Chernenko who appointed the young Gorbachev into Politburo, and of course Gorbachev and his aides. The hardline communists accuse them of betrayal. I doubt it the pope alone or even with all bishops together would make the change from outside, if the people in that country didn't want the change in first place. So it is said 1984 consecration worked well. It did indeed. Do you know the crisis called Able Archer in 1983? The worst since Cuba. en.wikipedia.org...

Spirit Daily Consecration

He didn't specifically mention Russia, as his predecessors also did not (in 1917 the message from Fatima predicted that there would be a consecration of Russia, followed by a halt to that nation's reign of terror), but Sister Lucia had said the last consecration by John Paul II in 1984 had fulfilled the request and that the results were seen in the break up of the Soviet Union. ...

She said the consecrations up to 1984 had not fulfilled all the requests. In that 1984 consecration, John Paul II -- who himself saw a sun miracle while recovering from the attempt on his life -- consecrated "the whole world, especially the peoples for which by reason of their situation you have particular love and solicitude."

Apparently, that was enough to do it; it not only referred to Russia, but was done "united with the pastors of the world."

The 1984 consecration fulfilled the request by Mary.
Russia is a subset of 'the whole world' ... so yes it counted.
The Soviet Union broke up almost immediately after the consecration ... so that was the effect.
This latest consecration is just kind of a 'reminder'. It's already been done.

Any talk about the 1984 consecration not being 'effective' is wrong .. the Soviet block broke apart because of the consecration.

Any talk about God not accepting the consecration because the specific word 'Russia' wasn't used, is wrong. It happened. It worked. And God isn't a legalistic SOB that he'd say ... 'nya nya nyaaaa ... you didn't use the word 'Russia' but instead said 'the whole world', so I'm going to withhold graces nya nya nyaaaa'.

I think that's the end of the story on the 'Fatima consecration'.

end of one story and beginning of another. Era of peace is still pending. Shall we escape the chastisement first? Comet Ison reaches perihelion after 40 days.
I have the feeling whoever will live in the era of peace that will be on another planet not earth.