October 13 incoming Fatima consecration of pope Francis

2012newstart
thanks so much catholics

if proper measures are not taken fast, this will be the end of the Catholic church

you mean the end of the Roman Catholic church, not the catholic church....

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Russia is rebuilding the Eastern Orthodox Church!

Hallelujah!
Hallelujah!
Hallelujah!

Yes you got it, both of you. Thanks.

Meanwhile Putin enters the dispute between Netherlands and Russia demanding apology after Dutch police arrested Russian diplomat. Will we have a bigger controversy between Netherlands and Russia, after the Greenpeace ship and Russian oil rig, detained Greenpeace activists by Russian court. How far all of that will reach. Ultraconservative catholics will say, WW3 started by Russia, but at the end she "converts to God" after the pope "properly consecrates her". Too good to be true. If this was the case it would have been done for a century.

Instead, the story may go : Soon we will be desperate to have a place in one of the few underground shelters available. Some of them might be Russian. Does it all depend whether you like Putin more than Obama or vice versus? It is naive but it seems it is exactly the case. if you read fanatics like the Third Eagle who doesn't know who of the two is worse. Pathetic. We have real problems on earth and need real solutions. Not theater or distractions.

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"Solar Cycle 24"

expectations when ( November 2013 ) 'internal magnetic poles of our

Sun will perform its 'traditional' but even-more special "24-year

cyclic magnetic reversal" ( also known as ) 'solar pole flip' (

'upside-down' ), however this time it's adding the electrically

charged-particle Comet ISON now approaching our Sun.

The 'combination of these two ( 2 ) galactic events' ( 'electric comet
ISON nearing our Sun' plus the NASA and NOAA expected Solar Cycle 24

'magnetic pole flip of our Sun' ) experiencing 'both so close to

Earth' tells us government expects 'considerable' but as 'yet

uncertain' levels of consequences that everyone in and around Earth

The article continues on the link. I do not endorse the content in anyway, however I'd rather expect a similar scale event to happen than "nothing to happen again". I can post it or I can stay silent. If I post it ridicules will come. If it happens, nobody will care it was posted, certainly not the dead but also the saved will care little someone posted it. If it doesn't happen, more ridicules will come. In anyway, I hope at least few of the readers will be saved. I wash my hands about Fatima sun and related issues. Pity so few catholics care at all. See you underground or elsewhere. Not in Rome. Days are counted.

2012newstart
Should the pope mention Russia in the consecration prayer, or it is not needed anymore?

- The prior consecration fulfilled the request of Mary at Fatima. Sr. Lucia said so.
- However, additional prayers or 'reminders' of the consecration doesn't hurt anything, so
I think it's fine.

Should the entire secrets be released as well?

I believe it was. I know some folks think it wasn't. But I think it has been.

FlyersFan

2012newstart
Should the pope mention Russia in the consecration prayer, or it is not needed anymore?

- The prior consecration fulfilled the request of Mary at Fatima. Sr. Lucia said so.
- However, additional prayers or 'reminders' of the consecration doesn't hurt anything, so
I think it's fine.

Should the entire secrets be released as well?

I believe it was. I know some folks think it wasn't. But I think it has been.

Flyersfan thanks for writing here.
Most people are aware there is ID problem with the late Sr Lucia whose later writing and appearance do not correspond to her earlier ones. If there is such a double person pretending Sr Lucia at her older age, any and all statements and interviews should be questioned. Including the one you mentioned.

The text of the released 2000 secret appears to be with a different handwriting than the one of the early Sr Lucia. These are serious allegations, and there are volumes written on the web. I offered one of the mildest ones www.fatima.org I do not agree with many of their conclusions that follow.

Why should the pope consecrate again if the world was consecrated in 1984? Let we know the truth. This is appeal to all who think Fatima is important. Let the entire secrets be revealed. Unfortunately I see those people are very few online, have quite different views (as me and Flyers, or Phantom) and in fact most of the catholics who believe Fatima prefer to quietly await the outcome. Perhaps this is not their best choice and outcome for themselves.

I wrote quite many things that were never addressed too. How for example, a converted Russia (I am almost sure she is) would help the world the pass thru the current world crisis. Because we live in crisis. Even those of us who are in USA. How a converted Russia (to God) will utilize what we call new technologies/green tech and what could be righteously called ET tech. Is there anything about that inside Fatima message, as there was inside Maria Esperanza's? (servant of God).

I hope the so called catholic faithful understand my point of view Theirs might be different as that of Flyers. But where are they, 4 days before the event? Look at one very popular private catholic website www.spiritdaily.com... Where is Fatima topic? OK he may write tomorrow a wonderful article that doesn't offend anyone - neither the church officials nor the fatimists. But where is the discussion in the catholic world? It is absent. I didn't expect that when the Berlin Wall fell and communism ended in 1989- 1990s. I just have no more words. That all is wrong and wrong very much. You all believers and non believers will see the consequences of it very soon.

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I think the difference in writing that you see is because of age. Really. I look back at my writing through the years and it's changed a lot. It changed with age. And it'll change even more as I get into my 70's and 80s ... (If I live that long). Also, different writing instruments and different thickness of paper does make a difference. Write on a thin piece of computer paper and then go write on a very thick piece of paper from the 1920s or 30's or 40's. My signature now at age 51 is very different than my signature at age 21.

Of course you are free to disagree with me. And that's fine.

But I do believe that the real Sr. Lucia was the nun in question and I do believe that she told the full secrets and that we do indeed know what they are.

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When it comes to Spirit Daily .... I check that site every so often and I have a friend who knows Michael Brown (who runs the site). So I'm aware of it. However, to be honest, a lot at that site is 'doom porn'. And it's very 'over the top' Catholic ... IIMHO. I know some folks luv it. But it's not one of my more favorite places to haunt. Most Catholics I know haven't heard of Michael Brown or Spirit Daily. It's usually haunted by more conservative Catholics.

JohnPaul II already 'Consecrated' Russia... that's why today Putin is denouncing gay-homo marriages as a impossible legal arangement in Russia but in the USA the socialist & progressives are getting all those gays, homos, Bi & transvestites to be legally recognized as married who wish to be


the former bless'd USA has switched roles with the new, Russia


it will be interesting if the Francis Pope gets a Marian visitation on Oct 13th...
it would not resolve the question of IF the series of Marian Appiritions on the 13th of the month to the children at Fatima was a ET visitation or not... but if this Francis Pope gets a visitation it will really shake up the world if it is proven by more than the Popes assumed truthfulness...say a photo or something like a electronic recording of her speaking

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IMHO - If Mary appears to Pope Francis, it's likely that we will never hear about it. At least, we won't hear about it until after he is dead. Supernatural events like that with popes (and saints like Mother Teresa) don't become known to the general Catholic population until after death. Events surrounding children and other lay people - like at Fatima or Medjugorje or Betania - those are different. Those are lay people getting 'messages' to tell people so the purpose is to be well known.

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yeah...your correct the Church will wait till they can nominate him for Sainthood... after death


but since these are the times when the 'falling away' is prophecied to happen,
i see that Divinity will pull out all stops... & maybe Francis Pope having a Vision or Apparition could very well happen and that he would make it a point to tell the faithful of his experience (to give the Believers hope and the strength to stand against the Darkness that will attack the Church)


it depends on where we are on the Divine Countdown clock because many will fall away, many Bishops & even Cardinals & the Pope will flee Rome, and the 'restraining spirit' will be removed so that scoffers & blasphemers can have their day in the Sun...as time goes on from this ?Last Pope?

with no more than an average of 12 years on the Papal Seat ...a Lot will happen in quick succession

thanks for your posts. That discussion is enriching.

I would care more for the people than for the clergy in Rome what will happen according to prophecies that may or may not happen. Clergy in Rome has its role, way and cross. Let they do not put their cross on the rest of a billion wide church. "2012" showed clearly the cardinals as well as some of the faithful may be so deluded as to wait St Peter's dome to fall upon them. Do you think this cene is impossible to happen in reality?

In real case scenario with tsunami, nuclear, or other calamities, the people won't care so much of anything else than to save themselves. And here is the big question: what does the church do for their salvation (physical, not spiritual). It is apparent the Second Coming doesn't come yet. To await it in each pontificate and to call for it, is not very wise approach. But that is what we saw in the start of Benedict's papacy. A number of popes believed End times were there, starting from Pius XII and including also John Paul II. The history showed it didn't happen what the popes were certain of. Nobody is immune of being wrong.

Let not speculate with that. God's people must be saved, or a good portion of it, if we want to have Christianity tomorrow after the calamity passes.

Let say that John 23 had his own apparitions of Virgin Mary. I will not quote it because it is too much new even for myself.

FlyersFan, the age should not be of concern for you. We are talking of processes that overpass one generation lifespan. Many seers already died. And yet there should be Christians who survive this critical level. Whatever it means, we can discuss in length. Surely God will provide the means but we have to answer positively to God's design.

2 Esdras book speaks of an episode archangel Uriel talks to Esdras (Ezra) about the time alotted to the world. Sorry I forgot the exact number of chapter it is in the second half of the book. I think it is a must read anyway. Ch. 1 and 2 are written ater in early Christian time so you can skip them. See wikipedia for more.

In that talk archangel Uriel gives a simple equation of time duration putting all past ages and all future ones as parts of the whole time. Let say, 15/16 passed and 1/16 left. But I give it as example, I may be wrong. Do the math by yourself, it is easy. Mathematics widely used by Babylonians (to present numbers as fraction of 60). The equation is pretty simple. You do it by yourself. Even if you are wrong you will realize it doesn't matter. The problem is when you start filling it with historical dates. Such as the timing of Adam and Eve's creation according to the Jewish texts (much newer than the time of Adam and Eve btw). Nothing fits! No historic event as we know it, no Flood etc fits into the equation. Because otherwise the world would have ended by now.

Then you turn to bigger numbers. You may try with the age of the planet Earth 4 bln years or any other big number. The current age of the Universe is 13 bln years. It is constantly re-estimated by scientists. You slowly but surely understand the archangel Uriel talks of periods of time much larger of anything we know as history. Logically, the Second Coming of Jesus would come only 1000s years before the End of the Universe, and not earlier. Even if you estimate based on the age of planet Earth, still we are taking of many many many years.

The angels (men in white, where are the wings?) at the Ascension of Jesus clearly told the apostles it is not their task to know the times and seasons.

www.sacred-texts.com...
2 Esdras 14

10 For the world hath lost his youth, and the times begin to wax old.

11 For the world is divided into twelve parts, and the ten parts of it are gone already, and half of a tenth part:

12 And there remaineth that which is after the half of the tenth part.



The rest is no less interesting!

In way of thought that puts the Second Coming very far in the future, remains what some theologians and seers say as temporal chastisement and continuation of the temporal world for the time being. That Chastisement however might be quite big. We don't know the extend however there are enough seers incl. Padre Pio who speak of fire to come. Whether it is from the sun, from the nuclear war, or asteroid, or some combination, it might be to such extend to make the life on the planet impossible or very limited underground. It does not contradict anything said in the Bible, to save the humanity for the time being on secure location off planet or deep underground, until that calamity passes.

It is speculation that many seers and Bible scholars do, to connect it with the Second Coming. They will stay and wait and die. There aren't the signs of the imminent Second Coming of Jesus on planet Earth. Yes indeed he will come for those who die, and he will come to provide safe refuge for those who are saved Not necessarily visible though. He is coming constantly, and Maria Esperanza called it "apparition-like coming". She and many others, Fatima included, do not talk of End times, Armageddon, antchrist or Second coming.

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I think I remember him consecrating 'The World' .... and people didn't think he consecrated Russia because he said 'The World'. But he said that Russia is part of the world. He did that to be sensitive to Russia so they wouldn't get upset being singled out.

If he consecrated 'the world' , then that means he consecrated the USA as well.

2012newstart
FlyersFan, the age should not be of concern for you.

I"m just responding to the 'change in handwriting' issue you brought up.
Handwriting does change with age. And it does change with mediums used.
I don't know if that's why you notice a difference in the handwriting or not.
I'm just bringing it up that it's a possible reason why. That's all.

FlyersFan

2012newstart
FlyersFan, the age should not be of concern for you.

I"m just responding to the 'change in handwriting' issue you brought up.
Handwriting does change with age.

It could be so. I read catholic fundamental sources who say two different handwritings and two different Lucias. it could be what you say, only one Sr Lucia who changed significantly with the age. She had a pretty long life. But then it means Russia is consecrated in 1984. Where is the era of peace? Something is still not said. The best the Vatican will do is to open everything, now.

Actually I am much closer to the above view than you might think (if it matters).
If Russia is consecrated back then in 1984, then we should energetically ask what happened to the era of peace. Certainly the period of the fall of communism is noticeable, but the following does not represent the promised peace. We should re-evaluate much of the current events in the light of the promised and yet to happen new era. How about internet that occurred in that time? How about so many other new things, some good and some bad, as cloning? We should accept the good sides of a ruling in Russia that might not be perfect but is not anymore the Stalinist one. Is it possible then, as I explained several posts above, contemporary Russia to be a savior or one of the saviors of the current world out of planetary doom? Think about it. How much of a Chastisement is not possible to be cancelled, let say asteroid can't be lessened. A war can be lessened or canceled but not a natural occurrence. However the people can be moved, hidden, saved. Will that be the case? Where is the place of Russia with her leader today Putin, once consecrated and on the good side? Where is the place of contemporary USA that has its own history of apparitions incl OL of America. Where is the place of the contemporary Rome that opens a new page of history and tries to solve problems and not to create new ones as of the time of dark past. Shall we see the new era as promised to so many seers to happen in their lifetime. Questions that remain without answers yet.