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Major changes to the US-Japan defense agreement

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posted on Oct, 3 2013 @ 09:44 PM
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The Pentagon has announced sweeping changes to the US-Japan defense cooperation agreement.

Beginning next year "two to three" Global Hawks will operate out of Japan for part of the year. Within the next 10 years the Marines on Okinawa will move to Guam, with Japan paying $3.1B of that move. In return, the Marines will forward deploy two MV-22 squadrons to replace the CH-46s that are on Okinawa now, as well as the Navy deploying P-8s to the area starting in December. Starting in 2017, the Marines will send F-35Bs to the area as well.

Japan has also asked to strengthen anti-missile ties with the US. This would include the US sending missile radars to Japan in the near future. They also plan to strengthen cyberwarfare and ISR ties. The new agreement will be completed by 2014.


WASHINGTON — During a diplomatic visit to Tokyo this week, US officials confirmed that the Japanese government has agreed to base “two to three” American-operated Global Hawk UAVs on Japanese soil beginning early next year.

The deployments of the unmanned aircraft “will not be year-round,” a senior administration official said. “It’ll be a seasonal deployment, but they'll be flying out of a US base in Japan for a period of the year.”

It will be the first time that US unmanned assets are based on Japanese soil, but the announcement was only one part of a sweeping defense cooperation effort between the two countries that will also include F-35 joint strike fighters, new ballistic missile radars, and increased bilateral cyber and ISR programs.

The moves kick off an emerging era of increased US and Japanese military cooperation that included joint training operations earlier this year in California and a program to share the costs of moving 5,000 Marines from Okinawa to Guam sometime in the next decade.

www.defensenews.com...




posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 12:19 AM
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reply to post by Zaphod58
 


What really needs to happen is the ending of the restrictions on their military.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 12:24 AM
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If you follow their procurements in the last ten years or so the last few Prime Ministers are slowly working that way. It'll probably be after the last of the WWII survivors are gone before we see them really push for it.
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posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 12:48 AM
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Its crazy to think that not more then 80 years ago we were at each others throats.

Now here we are, cooperating in a full military alliance. I suspect Zaphod is right though, once the last of their WW2 vets an influences are gone, the restrictions will be lifted, it only makes sense.

Think about it, our own true Asian iron shield.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 12:59 AM
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It would appear that the US policy is leaning towards removing our immediate deterrent and letting Japan take on more responsibility for the Asian threat growing from China and India.

It seems we are positioning ourselves in a support/second strike role while Japan takes the initial engagements, whatever those may be.

Now that most of our fleet is stationed in the Pacific this seems like a deliberate deployment to ensure that we are not involved in any direct altercations but have enough forces in the area to deal with it.

While I would agree with that strategy it is important to remember Japanese nationalism which is extremely provocative in nature. Japan is facing a serious population problem right now in the fact that their country is not balanced in age groups. More people are reaching old age than new ones replacing them which means that the people who have first and secondhand knowledge of the atrocities of WWII are going to be gone shortly leaving a younger generation without guidance.

I can see the Japanese, with a growing military, possibly becoming aggressive, perhaps more so than if the US was in direct control of that region.

Something to watch.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 12:59 AM
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This is going to sound harsh..........The countries of Japan and Germany should never have large forces again. History is our teacher and it will show us the future. As it stands right now sure they are no threat but times change and the worm could turn for the worst.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 01:04 AM
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The problem there is China is the 500 pound gorilla in the room. Japan needs a large enough military to at least hold their own against China. They don't need a huge military, but one big enough, with enough quality equipment in it to not roll over and die if China pushes things too far.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 01:13 AM
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Zaphod58
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The problem there is China is the 500 pound gorilla in the room. Japan needs a large enough military to at least hold their own against China. They don't need a huge military, but one big enough, with enough quality equipment in it to not roll over and die if China pushes things too far.


Yes but Japan is secure because she is an island and our subs will protect it. The only access to Japan for China would be through the East China Sea which is a tight run between Japan and South Korea. China may be able to launch attacks out of North Korea but knowing Kim, that could change any given day.

Japan is pretty well protected from China as it stands unless they want to take the fight to the mainland or in the South China Sea. Then all bets are off.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 06:12 AM
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Zaphod58
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
 


If you follow their procurements in the last ten years or so the last few Prime Ministers are slowly working that way. It'll probably be after the last of the WWII survivors are gone before we see them really push for it.
edit on 10/5/2013 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)


Yes, there have been open calls for it, and it really does make sense. The Japan of today is not the Japan of WWII, basically the policy was created to protect our interests, and now it just hurts them.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 06:14 AM
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Zaphod58
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The problem there is China is the 500 pound gorilla in the room. Japan needs a large enough military to at least hold their own against China. They don't need a huge military, but one big enough, with enough quality equipment in it to not roll over and die if China pushes things too far.


Yes but Japan is secure because she is an island and our subs will protect it. The only access to Japan for China would be through the East China Sea which is a tight run between Japan and South Korea. China may be able to launch attacks out of North Korea but knowing Kim, that could change any given day.

Japan is pretty well protected from China as it stands unless they want to take the fight to the mainland or in the South China Sea. Then all bets are off.


Subs will not protect against aircraft. Japan is not allowed to have carriers.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 06:25 AM
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Yes, they're protected, by OUR military right now for the most part. The idea is that they can eventually protect themselves and not have to have US forces there all the time.



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 06:43 AM
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Because Japan was the bad guy in WWII .. and they lost .. they are restricted in regards to their military. In reality, they completely depend on us for their safety. Which is ironic, since Japan tried to destroy our military in WWII. It's like some kind of strange karmic boomerang.

** I was stationed there for three years (1983-1986).
The JGSDF (Japanese Ground Self Defense Force) was kinda like the boyscouts.
At least, that's how it was back then ...



posted on Oct, 5 2013 @ 06:48 AM
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Tinkerpeach

I can see the Japanese, with a growing military, possibly becoming aggressive, perhaps more so than if the US was in direct control of that region.

Something to watch.


Perhaps your just paranoid or perhaps your correct. Something tells me the Japanese youth's least problem is repeating aggressive military mistakes. I think they are going to have their hands filled for some time at Fukushima Daichi. Just my opinion of course.



posted on Oct, 6 2013 @ 07:18 PM
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Moving the bulk of the Marine force from Okinawa to Guam is probably a bad idea. By moving thousands of ground troops approximately 1,400 miles away, response time will be heavily affected.

Although the crime rate in Okinawa has always been bad. With the Marine bases gone, the crime rate should drop dramatically. Then again, that also means the economy of Okinawa is going to take a hit.

I'd also like to mention something about the Japanese not being allowed to have carriers. It isn't true. For example:

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Oct, 6 2013 @ 07:32 PM
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They're not allowed aircraft carriers. Those aren't capable of fixed wing operations, which is the accepted definition of an aircraft carrier. Both classes of helicopter cruisers are either smaller than or equivalent to a Wasp.



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 12:53 AM
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China may be a 500lb Gorilla - but it has never threatened anyone or invaded anyone, so as far as we know, its completely harmless.

As far as History, you seriously dont know any Germans personally (I dont know any Japanese) but they are probably least likely to turn aggressive, its about time everyone moved on from WW2.

Also, as far as them not being allowed, I think its their choice.

Wonder if this may persuade the US Navy to buy the T4 over a BAe Hawk for Goshawk replacement...

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posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 01:02 AM
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Korea and Vietnam would be regions that the Chinese who have invaded....



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 01:54 AM
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China is harmless? Hardly. They've laid claim to every island chain anywhere near them that has resources under them, and are pushing everyone else around to get them.

As for Japanese carriers, it's in their constitution. They're allowed no offensive forces.



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 04:36 AM
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en.wikipedia.org... ummm

1988 invasion of Spratly Islands by China
they invaded Korea (back when it was unified) invaded Vietnam

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they fought several wars/border skrimishes with india and i think back in the day there were even cross border raids between the soviet union

tibet.....but opinions differ on that one

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no those chinese have never invaded any one ever....... and this is just the PRC not talking about ancient chinas shenigans or what they did before the civil war when mao took power

en.wikipedia.org... they are an old nation with lots of history and they have invaded people in their long history and fought a good many wars of unification

on main topic its good to see japan getting a bit more independence and it seems they have wanted the marines out of okinawa for a long time now so its good to see some changes giving them more indepence and hopefully they will start to handle the bulk of their defense

and for those that know their history the Japanese have historically done quite well against china in the past and they have LOTS of bad blood built up over the centuries between those two nations and with this past comes tension hence the build up by a lot of SE Asian nations in regards to both Chinese build up and Japanese build up

and more directly to zaphoid how much change in capiblity does this move represent as far as us forces go?



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 04:47 AM
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Quite a bit in the long run. You end up with forward deployed stealthy tactical bombers, improved ASW with the P-8, slightly less capability with the CH-46/MV-22 swap, but you can get there faster with the MV-22s. Add in the missile radars, and other behind the scenes things, and you get quite a capability increase.



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