If you do not allow us to raise the debt ceiling you will not get your SS check says Obama

reply to post by yeaok


have you been paying attention??...or are you just hearing what you want to hear...I suspect the latter.....I hope you have a lot of popcorn...your gonna need it..

So what they're really saying is let's see who cares first and gives in? And it won't be me. Sounds like terrorism.

It's for sure a sad day when 'anyone' in government stamps their feet demanding more more more - at the expense at everyone else. For the sake of the "parents" of those behaving badly I do hope they will see it through. We will all hang in there.

darkbake
reply to post by Nyiah

 

If we hit the debt ceiling, it's game over. I recommend getting a job today if you don't have one, before everyone else is forced to and it's impossible to get one.

Also, stock up on food, water and gas.

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I know a lot of people that are already using their back-up plans to survive, meanwhile, like living with family or on government assistance.

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I am not entirely sure, but I am guessing if government workers are out of work, we hit the debt ceiling and people don't get their social security checks and disability checks, while meanwhile other countries aren't getting paid their loan payments, that could smash the economy.

edit on 3-10-2013 by darkbake because: (no reason given)

I agree with you. I'm not at all into fear mongering, but since last winter I have felt a strong intuitive sense that it was time to get into survival mode, like never before. Food preps, and much more.

reply to post by crazyewok


according to real stats , the U-6 it is really 25% unemployement , u-3 counts only people collecting UI checks my friend ,once you drop off the ui payroll you dont count no more on u-3 . u-6 is never reported in mainstream because it shows just how grim it really is out there

trex1980
reply to post by crazyewok

 

according to real stats , the U-6 it is really 25% unemployement , u-3 counts only people collecting UI checks my friend ,once you drop off the ui payroll you dont count no more on u-3 . u-6 is never reported in mainstream because it shows just how grim it really is out there

And if youd defualt then it will get even worse.

Make the UK look like the land of oppuntinty with those figures.

5 years time mexico will have to secure its borders so all you Americans dont start flooding in

crazyewok

trex1980
reply to post by crazyewok

 

according to real stats , the U-6 it is really 25% unemployement , u-3 counts only people collecting UI checks my friend ,once you drop off the ui payroll you dont count no more on u-3 . u-6 is never reported in mainstream because it shows just how grim it really is out there

And if youd defualt then it will get even worse.

Make the UK look like the land of oppuntinty with those figures.

5 years time mexico will have to secure its borders so all you Americans dont start flooding in

you seem happy about this.......why? I would wish nothing like this on your country.

reply to post by crazyewok

it is time for you to realize something: the future you described is certain if nothing is done to reign in spending. raising the debt ceiling isn't some magic fix, as it is something that NEVER should have been reached. it's like the government of japan after fukushima "the water's radioactivity exceeds our legal restrictions, so we're going to increase the legal restrictions because that will fix it."

raising the debt ceiling in the manner that obama et al wish is no different than a person trying to pay off their debts by incurring more debts. it. won't. work.

there are two realistic choices:

1. keep raising the debt ceiling without any workable plans to start reducing our debt, NOT just the deficit. this will eventually cause us to go bankrupt and the economy will collapse.

2. refuse to raise the debt ceiling until a workable plan for reducing our debt is developed and implemented. no more "let's raise it, and then we'll work on a plan" because that's what everyone says and it never happens.

where the first choice is a certain economic collapse, the second choice would get us started on the right economic path.

reply to post by matafuchs


Woah, big surprise there. Obama manipulating the nation into giving up more money so he can afford to bomb more kids in the Middle East and spy on more Americans on their home soil. George Orwell couldn't have come up with a story this twisted if he tried. And he did! The truth really is stranger than fiction sometimes lol.

Oh, Obama. Where would the free world be without you?

I don't understand the point of raising the debt ceiling more of the problem isn't fixed, wouldn't they just hit it again and have to keep raising? And now the government shutdown because they don't agree? These reminds me of games kids used to play when the two popular ones didn't want to agree, so they split the group and each went thier ways. I feel sorry for my American brothers and your corrupt government. Instead of fixing problems like a responsible government should, they squabble and fight while you all suffer.

Maybe this is just a step into a NWO? Close the government, cause anarchy, then BOOM! Military state and martial law! And the sad thing is, Canada will follow suit
Since we depend on you guys so much. So I wouldn't be surprised if Canada started with similar issues though we can always call for a vote of no confidence and choose a new government :p

-BmwSauber

reply to post by beezzer


It's not a bluff. This has been said each time the debt ceiling has to be raised, it always comes with an explanation of what defaulting translates into. Defaulting isn't an option, unless you prefer catastrophe to more debt. Changing the way we do business so that we don't have to keep raising the debt ceiling, yes we very much need to figure that out, but until we do... we raise it or collapse.

Maybe it's just time to declare this experiment named USA, a failure and survive or die as individuals...let the world move on without us. Honestly at this point, I'm so disgusted and discouraged with us and all the pettiness and dishonesty... I'm tired of fighting, if I could afford to, I would expatriate and only weep for what could have been but never was. The GOP makes me vomit, the Democrats so queasy I want to vomit just to relieve it, the elected Tea Party makes me see red to the point I fear if face to face I would end up in indefinite detention and the ignorance of the masses just makes me depressed.

reply to post by matafuchs


It's the Republicans who are shutting down the government, not the POTUS. Don't be a dork. I swear some people on here would blame Obama if a meteor struck earth.

crazyewok

If the USA defaults you will have the great depression the sequal. You will be looking at 20%+ unemployment at least.

You know what is very interesting about this statement?

Some of the most brilliant financial gurus put out a statement about a year ago that around this fall, that was exactly what was going to happen. Said that the government over spent. Said that the bailout effects had not been felt yet because the Feds kept our interest rate low to attempt to get things going as best as it could. As soon as the Feds raised the interest rate up to 4% we would no longer be able to pay the interest let alone the principal. As soon as that became the issue, our money would stop being the main currency used in the global market. It being the main currency is what has given our money value to where we can print off our pretend currency. If its not the main currency, then it has to be backed by something of value, we would have to follow the rules. We would experience a crash and depression like we have never seen in this country before. I believe it was this past August the rates went up and the market went down. September people held their breath waiting, and talk started about how to save our backsides.

The government is shutting down regardless.

At this point they are just trying to find someone else to blame.

reply to post by matafuchs


People and the media are making a big thing about the government shutdown, the truth is that US never have defaulted in its debt in the seventeen times that the US had a shut down in the last 30 years.

Is not going to happen, this pony show is about Obamacare not the nations obligations and the peoples necessities, this is a scam to keep the people scare about what government can do.

The dead line going for the debt ceiling is on October 17, this whole pony show and scaremongering is going to be over by next week

Unless the nation is so screwed by our for the people government with years of waste and abuse of the tax payer dollars that it actually will be a shut down, but I doubt that, I see the resolution by the end of next week.

WWII Memorial Barricade Wired Shut

www.weeklystandard.com...

spit-full bullies.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

check out the picture of the barrycades at the WW1 memorial.

When are these idiots going to get it?? Social Security was meant to be a trust fund and has nothing to do with federal money. When you look on your paycheck there is State, Federal & SS. Now if the government went and blew that federal money on pizza, beer & hookers how is that our problem? Go ahead and take peoples SS and find out what happens. Those in government won't be able to sleep well at night.

Sestias
reply to post by matafuchs

 

It's the Republicans who are shutting down the government, not the POTUS. Don't be a dork. I swear some people on here would blame Obama if a meteor struck earth.

The House is the voice of the people. It is not all Republicans. They are telling Congress and the POTUS that they do not want the legislature as it is in its current form. All that needs to be done is compromise, as has always been done in history, and it is not. They are all being children to be honest. The House wants a balanced budget to be passed. Congress will not approve one. Again, they are not all democrats.

What happens is 'control' of the votes occurs and when party lines are voted NOTHING gets done. As we are seeing now. The President does not need his golf course to remain open at Edwards while the PX is closed at other bases around the country. The elected officials should not get paychecks while openly scaring and threatening the poor and old. It is sick and sad. The POTUS cannot work to find a solution but he can find the time to lay blame and more threats. It is showing that he is not the correct person for the position.

The problem at its root is that there is no money left. No one seems to get that. Since this 'shutdown', little by little more things that are not even Federally controlled have closed. Why shutdown memorials other than to cause division?

When the checks come the POTUS will now look like the saviour. Scare tactic politics like those used in Socialist and third world nations not the US.

and here is a great example....no baseball playoffs for soldiers????

link

resident Obama has visited the Navy-run presidential retreat Camp David in central Maryland only 32 times, but it is being kept open during the government shutdown for his entertainment and security at the same time the Pentagon is cutting sports coverage to hundreds of thousands of troops around the world.

A phone call to the retreat found it open, confirming a TMZ report.

Camp David is one of the most highly secure areas in the nation and provides the president with a safe haven. The president has been known to shoot skeet at Camp David, which he most recently used for his 52nd birthday, according to CBS White House Correspondent Mark Knoller.

Obama has spent just 78 days at the retreat, choosing instead to spend his weekends in Washington and hitting military golf courses, which are also being kept open during the government shutdown.

In the meantime, overseas troops who typically look forward to watching NFL games and the baseball playoffs provided by the Armed Forces Network, will get little if any service due to the shutdown. A notice on the AFN page reads:

Why cut morale further unless you want to assert some type of bs control. Federal prisons have not had cable cut yet so why soldiers??? it all makes less and less sense each day.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Don't you think that if "they" left these memorials open, without the oversight of park attendants and law enforncment, that our memorials might possibly be in danger of graffiti and other,or perhaps even more nefarious attacks?

It seems to me, without proper attention, it's not very smart to leave our memorials, and such, open to just anyone.

Bob Sholtz
reply to post by crazyewok

 

it is time for you to realize something: the future you described is certain if nothing is done to reign in spending. raising the debt ceiling isn't some magic fix, as it is something that NEVER should have been reached. it's like the government of japan after fukushima "the water's radioactivity exceeds our legal restrictions, so we're going to increase the legal restrictions because that will fix it."

raising the debt ceiling in the manner that obama et al wish is no different than a person trying to pay off their debts by incurring more debts. it. won't. work.

there are two realistic choices:

1. keep raising the debt ceiling without any workable plans to start reducing our debt, NOT just the deficit. this will eventually cause us to go bankrupt and the economy will collapse.

2. refuse to raise the debt ceiling until a workable plan for reducing our debt is developed and implemented. no more "let's raise it, and then we'll work on a plan" because that's what everyone says and it never happens.

where the first choice is a certain economic collapse, the second choice would get us started on the right economic path.

Thats the point im getting.

I understand and even pointed out either in this thread or another this needs to be the last raise and that plans to reduce spending and stop new programs need to be brought it.

But the celiling still has to increase. If it doesnt its game over no matter what.

There no time tod discuss how to fix it. The deadline is the 17th. Your only choice now is to raise it the come up with a plan. If you dont your screwed and so is half the world.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


I see it, as another show of power, of what our for the people government can do, to all of us regardless of who we are, but rest assure that the elite and filthy rich have not worries about anything that is going on, be too "erratic" and you will be executed in the streets, because your car and even you without a gun are considered a "weapon" against the government..

The pieces of the NWO are coming into place, what a world for all of us.

reply to post by darkbake


no he is just fear mongering like usual. he knows full well if the checks don't go out then the retirees will drag his sorry sack out by pitch fork and torch. you want to balance budget you want to help economy then quit spending on useless programs and grants year before this they wasted 3 million tax dollars on a study to determine which color wine was best to serve with beef . why did the tax payers have to pay that. why not the beef industry or the wine. plus every one knows a juicy steak tastes best with cold beer. but no barry wants to scare old people