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When do we get to call his bluff?
While what you say is true, the president is the one clearly to blame for this legislation. Virtually none of the crap he claimed was going to happen is happening. Basically no one in congress read the damn bill, yet they should be held to their vote? If our system was remotely reasonable they would not be allowed to vote without reading it.
The cost of the premiums and the costs of the federal funding are now skyrocketing over what was promised. Thousands, and thousands are getting cut to part time - that wasn't supposed to happen either. Do you really think it is wrong to work to get rid of a federal program that does not work, or should we be made to suffer with it for all time, because it was voted for?
In polls 60 percent don't want it, Congress, and virtually every large company are getting waivers to get out of this horrible program. The ones who voted for it do not want it to apply to them or their staff - that literally says it all.
But because Obama and the democrats want it even though it will destroy the economy, no one should oppose it. Sorry I don't buy that.
They had the choice to read it, if they chose to be be absolute idiots, they should be held to their vote like glue. If the people choose mentally deficient representatives, they shouldn't get to mulligan unpopular decisions.
No one needs to fear this manufactured "debt ceiling" crisis. The world economy is not going to collapse. the sky is not falling. If you can't recognize political BS by now then you haven't been paying attention for the last 50 years.
This is the same old nonsense: create a crisis, blame it on your political opponent, and then take the credit when the crisis is solved. Nothing new under the sun.
I am sick of listening the endless stream of lies and fear mongering coming out of Washington. It's all BS designed to keep the sheep off balance and in fear. Judging from many of the posts on this thread it is working quite well.
If you dont raise the debt ceiling you defualt on your debt and your doller will collaspe to the value of belly button fluff.
In case some of you numb skulls dont understand.
Before this shutdown started the US econemy was growing which = more jobs.
If you country econemy implodes which it will on it present course that will = no jobs.
If you default on the 17th in 5 years time you will all be sitiing in cardboard boxed dresseing in rags begging the few (most likley 1% ers) with jobs for scraps of food. But hey least you stuck it to Obama! Loseing your job, home and most likley health is so worth it! O wait no you didnt stick it to anyone cause while you are living in the gutter, obama and all the other politicians will be living in there mansions laughing with the other 1% ers.
Hell even if the worse doesnt happen and you pay your debts by the 17th this shutdown has most likley shaved 0.7-1% off your growth. Thats a few hundred thousand American jobs that just went POOF! Infact while you speak every secoun a American job will be vannishing.
And I though you wanted people off welfare? Great logic! Destroy jobs to get more off welfare
It funny I can really gauge who the smart Americans are who the dumb ones are on ATS this week. Those supporting the shutdown= dumb!edit on 3-10-2013 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)edit on 3-10-2013 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)
I get the gist of what he's saying there. Right now, SS checks are still going out, they're covered. If we hit the debt ceiling on the 17th, fin, there's no more bogus money for diddly squat. It's pretty simple to grasp in plain English.
I don't care what bills they put forth, what promises any party can make, I don't see a way around hitting the ceiling. This country has turned into a manic woman on Rodeo Drive with every credit card she could get her hands on. She maxed them out, and now there's nothing left for more impulse buying. Worse yet, there's not a dime left anywhere in sight to pay OFF those purchases at all. That's what the US has become. We're fricking BROKE. BROKE. We have more bills than we can pay in this country. We've lived beyond our means and now we're going to literally & figuratively start paying for that immature mistake. We can't ponzi scheme it through the year any more, the debt collectors are going to start collecting their payments one way or the other, and no begging or pleading or promising is going to stop that. Raising the debt ceiling is literally just putting a band-aid on the severed vein. Eventually, you'll bleed out half-assing it like that.edit on 10/3/2013 by Nyiah because: (no reason given)
If you don't own a gun, this might be a good time to purchase one.
If they cut off all of the entitlement checks, you may very well need one to protect yourself.
This is pure scare-mongering by Obama. Money for the Social Security checks is already supposed to be in the trust fund, paid for by deductions from paychecks over the workers life. That is not the government's money. It is the peoples' money entrusted to the government. Obama has no need to raise the debt ceiling to return that money, nor does he have a legal right to withhold it from the seniors. Unless, of course, he is willing to admit that the US Government, starting with Clinton, has been "borrowing" that cash and replacing it with Treasury Bills which they cannot redeem, in effect embezzling the retirement funds of working Americans!