reply to post by IAMTAT
Here we go again.
The POTUS did NOT shut down the national parks or anything else. He is just as unhappy with the shutdowns as we are.
Correct - The President has absolutely no authority when it comes to the Power of the Purse - That authority was vested in Congress, specifically the
House of Representatives - US Constitution - Article I Section 8 - Taxing and Spending
As what gets shut down in terms of Executive Department, the President very much determines that. The National Park Police did not take it upon
themselves to shut down private businesses located on Federal Park Land. They also did not take it upon themselves to shut down open air parks.
Those orders came from above, and with such obvious political implications, the heads of those executive department did not make those political
decisions on their own.
The Tea Party Republicans are the ones who shut everything down.
Thank god someone had the sense to stop out of control government spending.. Secondly blame who you want, they are doing exactly what was authorized
by the US Constitution. For those who just don't understand, our Constitution is designed to have an inefficient government. Its designed to ensure
the minority opinion is heard. Just because one party is in the minority does not mean its subject to 100% majority rule - and for good reason.
Secondly while the President submits a budget, he doesn't get everything he wants.. The power of the Purse is a check and balance on the Executive
now, to clear up some ignorance people seem to have on this one topic...
9 Democrats voted with the tea party republicans while 12 Republicans voted with the democrats. Ironic that information is ignored... The bill that
was ignored that essentially shut down the government - kept the Affordable Care Act largely intact... It delayed the individual mandate for 1 year,
and those 9 democrats voted in the manner they did because they found it unfair that businesses were given an exception, while the individual was
And I don't know why everybody is so afraid of raising the debt ceiling. Every country on earth has a national debt. The U.S. has never defaulted
and never will, unless, of course, John Boehner and Rand Paul or other rabid right-wingers decide to ram that through Congress.
While almost every country has a national debt (some do not) our National Debt is by far the worlds largest in terms of total sum. Secondly if we
don't raise the debt ceiling we still will be able to service the debt, which runs about 25 billion a month. The US takes in about 200 billion a
month.. It means the US would need to prioritize what it will pay for, or in other words it would require the US to actually determine what it can
afford, and go from there. In other words it would hold the US government to the same standard it requires of its citizens. To pay what they owe and
only afford what they can.
As for your ignorant comment about ramming something down the throats of others, maybe you should learn about the history of the US prior to trying to
hold the MSM BS propaganda line while looking like a fool at the same time.
A Short History of US Credit Defaults
The Continental Currency Default of 1779
The Default on Continental Domestic Loans 1790
The Greenback Default of 1862
The Liberty Bond Default of 1934
The Momentary Default of 1979
Shall we look at the list of Democrats who shut down the government over the years? This is NOT the first government shut down and the Republicans
are not the only party to be accused of doing it.
The Power to Tax and Spend - Congress
The Power of the Veto - President
Result - Compromise by both.
edit on 9-10-2013 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)