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40 different times, House Republicans have tried to have discussion on the matter. Refusing to allow non-essential funding to continue until a dialogue takes place is not destroying the economy. 800,000 govt employees are consuming $1 billion in payroll a week and you all are okay with this?
All under the attempt to have fairness under the law by giving an exemption to people under the correct process of a bill to become law rather than presidential whim as was done with corporations...and the Dems have a problem with that.
Senate should have passed it and let Obama be the hero or the chump on his item merits rather than breaking Checks and Balances to protect his ego and image.
That is why we are in a shutdown and it is the Dems that hold the blame despite the shunt to the uninformed.
The first day of Obamacare and the online computers went down.
Obama claims its because so many people want to sign up for Obamacare.
What they are hiding is the massive denial of service attack on the health exchanges created by Obamacare in protest of obamacare.
The system is even under attack by hackers from china and other countries looking for personal information for ID thieft.
Do not sign up for obamacare for at least two months till they get the security fixed on there Obamacare sites.
Then signup in person and not over the internet.
reply to post by Flatfish
Do you honestly believe people will find comfort in having an insurance policy while unable to make rent, unable to put food on the table and unable to find a full job when their hours are cut? When they ask their boss why, he shrugs and says Obamacare, are they going to look at Boehner or Obama as the bad guy?
What people don't understand is this isn't a "my guy won"situation. What taxes will be paid by the unemployed and barely employed?
The subsidies only exist in some states. Ohio and several others do not expand the Medicaid programs. Some states do not have an exchange. So far none of the money paid on the premiums is tax deductible except perhaps on the Federal forms and for State purposes, any subsidy would be taxable income.
A Universal Health Care system would require an amendment to the Constitution (just as ACA should have) which is my main personal argument against this boondoggle as is many Republicans and TEA Party members. For a judge to rule a fine (punishment for breaking the law) as a tax, would have had that judge removed from the bench in any state if they were on a lower court. Calling non-compliance a tax because the IRS is enforcing it is asinine, when the IRS is already set up to deal with large volumes of correspondence with the People.
But follow this to the next step, what if you were compelled by law to vote in all elections? What if you were compelled by law to own a firearm and be prepared to use it? Or even better, what if you and a few investors decided you wanted to create an insurance company that provided better policies and a competitive price but did not want to be a part of the exchange or accept subsidies? Would your new insurance company have to overcome extraordinary odds to compete?
I'll be honest, there are many foods that I do not eat, many religions to do not subscribe to, many books I have no interest in reading. As a free person, I should not be forced into any particular thing or contractual agreement because a few people that I could not legally vote for because they do not represent my district decided I should become a part of my earned income. Even more so, that my ability to work for a single employer should be removed income reduced in order to skirt the law in which I will have less income to pay out for this mandatory compulsion.
The country was founded on the principles that no governing body should hold that kind of sway over the personal life on an individual. The tax on tea and the quartering of soldiers are really quite insignificant compared to edicts on what you must purchase and that your movements are monitored by electronic means. There comes a point were a line has to be drawn. Enough is enough and saying what I must buy with my labor is that line. That an agency will have card blanche to chase down my income and property in order to ensure that I have this dictated crap is no different than The Fugitive Slave Act both in spirit and principle.
Far too often I have heard the phrase "gun to our heads" out of Obama's mouth regarding the shutdown. Maybe he should take a long hard look at what he is doing to the people by placing this "gun to their heads". And I'll tell you what, I don't drink beer but I will sit down and have a Beer Summit with Obama to explain it to him if you can make the arrangements.
Another thing that is being overlooked. Neither Obama nor Reid have to do anything to help in this matter. Neither one are ever running for any position again. After their terms are up, that's it. They get their full retirement benefits which include never having to worry about money to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table.
They get the biggest welfare checks of all. And neither one is going to share. They are not your friend, they don't care what you think of them and they don't care if you suffer under their actions.
Their only leverage point is their own ego. And being for over themselves is not part of the equation. If Americans are left hungry and homeless over Obamacare, tough luck. That is why we are in the Shutdown. The Democrats and their egos.
Behind closed doors on Thursday, they laid out their demands for a debt ceiling increase that include the health law delay, fast-track authority to overhaul the tax code, construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline, offshore oil and gas production and more permitting of energy exploration on federal lands.