Insect Minds and Psychics

I think it's possible to put an idea or suggestion into the mind of an insect. Yes, they may not think of left or right like we do, but they do move in those directions.

reply to post by taoistguy


We had a spider sitting in a little web outside the sidelite window on our front door. My granddaughter was inside with my wife looking at it through the window and told me to kill it. I said it was not hurting anything outside and I would rather leave it live. She said she wanted it dead.

A smaller spider immediately came up and bit it and started to wrap it up with webs, then it bit it about three more times and the spider died. My wife and granddaughter were watching with eyes the size of silver dollars as this was happening. I asked my granddaughter if she wanted me to kill the little spider......she said no. I think she was in communication with the little spider somehow. Maybe she can communite with other insects also.

All three of us believe somehow she had that spider killed. That is too much of a coincidence. Within thirty seconds of her saying she wanted it dead, it was being killed. I still don't think the spider needed to die though.

Yes, I think that some people can control insects. S&F

Agree with RealityHacker in regards to holding dominion over another thing. I find the idea to be pretty ethically repugnant. Free will all the way and for all things as we all share the gift of life and are equals. I'd never in a million years attempt to dominate an insect, even if I thought it could be possible. That's why everything I've ever done has been to soothe to assist a critter.

Ricky--That would be what is called "empery". While it could be total coincidence, one never knows. If it's repeatable, then she'll do something again. For a time, an unknown number of researchers were interested in possibly finding such things in children within the gov't a few decades ago. Uncertain if the interest is still there or not but it is what it is, at least a long time ago. Is your granddaughter precocious and exceptionally bright? Precociousness was determined to be an indicator for novelty by one of these researchers although he may have been a mad man, just a well positioned and educated one.

RedCairo--agree with your thoughts on thinking. Awareness and communication are absolutely key for the survival for all forms of life. I suspect that there is an entirely hidden world that perhaps has been researched and we've just all missed it or has been entirely ignored. When it comes to thinking, awareness, and communication, one literally needs to tear down the box to make room for all forms. Does thought have an electromagnetic transmission quality to it? Scents and pheromones? If you think about it, when we're talking to another human being, we're not just transmitting through sight and sound alone but possibly in a diverse number of ways. Kind of neat when you think about it.

I have been able to do it to animals, weather, clouds. But I never tried over insects.

Flexing our omnipresent consciousness over the minor consciousness of the world

Just shows the potential of the human mind.

I do not refer to myself as a psychic. We are all psychic, its just hindered in others due to how individuals go about their lives.

reply to post by covertpanther


I've used it with injured animals but never weather so I cannot really comment on whether it is human consciousness exuding influence over reality or not. My great grandmother was considered to be a shaman within her community in her ability to work with animals and predict weather. My grandmother says that I take after her mother in that. I don't think it's a psychic phenomena at all but rather something that was probably developed through survival. An ability to understand the delicate relationships between things, cause and effect. I also agree that it's not something inherently found within our own society any longer. We're awfully divested from nature. The most comfortable I ever felt was when I lived amongst a tribe simply because I could be myself without being viewed as an aberrant peculiarity.

But, like I said, I think it is actually a natural status for the human condition now being shoved into a cookie cutter version of the world. Throughout human history, we have peppered within it lore of those who can do the marvelous from the siddha to the western variant, St. Francis of Assisi. Like you, I feel that it's within all of us and that difference may simply be a better comprehension of one's place in the world amongst nature. My belief in that is derived from living amongst a tribe whose standard was to live with nature as opposed to in opposition to it.

Slightly off topic, but I had a "link" of sorts, or it felt like one, with a scorpion once.

I was having a neat, magical night. I watched the coolest electrical storm I've ever seen over the nearby AZ mtns, with St. Elmo's fire glowing along craggy cliffs and actual ball lightening zooming over the same ridges with multicolored lightening prongs flashing every half second... truly wonderful.

In the wee hours I went home to the desert house I had to myself as my family were gone for awhile and picked up a wet swimsuit from the floor of my bedroom (I am a slob sometimes). As the suit went by my nether regions, I felt a pain like a hot knife digging into my inner thigh.

I immediately "knew" it was a scorpion and jumped away. I left the room and called poison control, to be told if I could call, then I'd probably be fine in a day or so.

My body then started twitching and I entered a mild delirium. I lay down in bed and had hours of the most intense dreams. In those "visions" I was a small creature, millimeters off the ground, scuttling around a surreal desert that looked like archetypical deserts of the kind in Monument Valley... the tall mesas and buttes, etc.

When I awoke I was disoriented being a human again. I walked into my bedroom (I spent the delirium in a guest bedroom) and went directly to a pile of newspapers and found the scorpion. This is odd because being untidy there were piles of clothing, books and papers everywhere. How I knew where it was I can't say. I put it in a jar and vindictively watched the little guy die over a few days. I regret that, now, but at the time I was upset with it.

I have nothing but the conviction, born in delirium, that I communed with the scorpion... linked perhaps by the neurotoxin? I can dismiss the dreams of being an insect as delirium if pressed, but how did I find that scorpion immediately in a large, cluttered room with a hundred hiding places? I have since had that "knowing" when searching for something I am close to, like a lost dog. It doesn't happen when thinking about it, more like an "autopilot" takes over and I just do it.

Since then, though, I have warmed to the insect world. I used to be mildly phobic and bought into the "bug" meme... but now escort them outside rather than smashing them. I let spiders hang out in their webs in my house, if possible, and even stinging insects don't alarm me... too much.

Baddogma: I think if you apologize to the scorpion deva sincerely all will be ok. ;-) That's very interesting.

I have what I call "sit-ins" plenty often, sometimes in dreams, occasionally (far more rarely) when awake. It's usually with other people (not anyone I know, and I don't mean like ordinary dreams but hyper-vivid living-as-them briefly), but I know there are many shamanic stories about sitting in on the perspective of various creatures. The initial experience account I had with the spider was very much "sitting in on their perspective" in a way.

I think empathy (which we may translate more literally) may be something that other areas of our energy spectrum handle, not so much the red band of this body and brain. Although we do seem to be able to replicate most things in this frequency bandwidth -- as noted above, like with pheremones and more. I used to study with a researcher who worked on psychoneuroimmunology specific to psychocartography (mapping the psychology to the body) and it's interesting how some things just seem to be present on every level at once with us, not just in the body. Perhaps it's always that way and it's just that we seldom notice.

forum duplicated my post.

Insects do have a sense of smell as well as vibration and vision, so they can pick up on whether a person is calm or angry just like cats or dogs. Bees can recognize their beekeeper by smell as well as by vision - for a critter with 1 million neurons, they can do some remarkable things including abstract concepts: phys.org...

The most heartbreaking thing I ever saw was seeing "the last butterfly of summer". In the front of the apartment block I stayed in, there were little garden lawns with blossom trees. That summer a whole batch of butterflies grew up and they would play together in the garden, sunbathing and chasing each other in little spirals in the air. I could almost hear them playing. Then when the weather got colder, there was just one butterfly left, and it looked so frantic, desperately trying to look under bushes to find someone to play with.

The other time was seeing two little bugs in the far corner of my bedroom. They were sitting side by side with one leg touching each other. It made me wonder whether they were aware of being alone together in a huge empty space. At a human scale, it would be like being in a empty cube the size of a city.

reply to post by WhiteAlice


I've also been able to bend fire in specific directions, it takes some SERIOUS intent and focus.. Its not something I practice, just something I have tried a few times with minor results.

People tend to forget (or not know?) that the reality we are perceiving with our 5 senses, is made up from atoms and light molecules, with space in between. That says enough about the nature of this reality in the first place.

People also tend to forget, we only use 5% of our mental potential, capabilities and focus on average. This is why people like shamans, healers, remote viewers or dream walkers are doign what they do - they are using and training their minds to more expansion then the average person.

Put those two sentences together, and you can find a trail of potential for your mind, and manipulating the external reality. People reading or hearing such things tend to think, if we could accomplish such feats, we could do it instantly.

Thats like telling a toddler to bench press 500lbs. Your mind is mental muscle. Its not physical in nature. But you still have to "work it out" in a sense to get a stronger 'mental-flex'. This is why I play around with things, but I have not lived the ways of a shaman or such, Im still in society and learning before I take the complete "dive" spiritually.

Just think about what I have wrote. Science likes to believe it has figured out the physical universe, but science is not even close to figuring out the nature and potential of the human mind, and how it could possibly govern those atoms and light molecules that make up the universe.

reply to post by stormcell


That is quite an interesting study. Brings alot of pressumptions we have into question. I know they've done studies with birds that showed intelligence, and of course the brain structures are quite different between higher mammals and birds, but I suspect we're looking at spirit manipulating body suits, and limitations aren't really set up the way we think.

reply to post by covertpanther


I assure you that I am quite familiar to these lines of thought. The saying is that people only use 10% of their brain, not 5%, but even that 10% is a misunderstanding. People use every part of their brain but at different times. Some will use their brains more efficiently and diversely but that's more strongly associated with higher intelligence and creativity than paranormal phenomena.

It always blows me away when I encounter thinking that seems to place humanity at the top of control of some holographic universe type of idea in any form of governance capacity. Really, when you think about it, that idea is nearly the same idea as God bequeathing the world to our care from Genesis but just laden with various degrees of science and pseudoscience and taking the whole universe instead of just the planet we inhabit. In reality, we are but a speck on a speck of a planet circling about a speck of a sun in an universe so enormous that our minds, no matter how well utilized, cannot even grasp it. And that's if there is only one universe.

Sorry if I seem a little acidic but I went through the whole brain entrainment crap when I was a child. Thing is, I was born this way and my great grandmother sure as hell didn't need it.

reply to post by WhiteAlice


The brain is one thing. The human mind and psyche is something else. That is where you are missing it, so I will change my previous statement for your sake - "We only use 10% of our psyche". That is a more correct statement, so thank you for pointing that out.

Gods, are men who are on a higher conscious state that over looks the atomic-reality. Most men and women of Earth have not figured out the power of their psyche, or internal depth of consciousness. This is why we are being controlled by those who have the knowledge, but worship false gods.

This is one of my favorite quote, author unknown, but has to deal with fallen angels or beings who came down to Earth to decieve;

"Many gods have become men, few men have become gods"

Its all about the art of the psyche, and training the mind. Also tapping into the spirit-energy, and learning/training how control, circulate, and use it.

reply to post by RedCairo


Its interesting you talk about the "perspective of animal creature" thing.

I have done this my entire life. Mostly with cats and felines, and they are my favorite creature (did you notice?). Sitting still, and living the persepctive of a cat, dog, bird, insect, spider, tree, flower, ocean, sun, earth, even fire.

I never understood why I do this, but I get "lost" in it at times, and its a beautiful thing. It allows me to understand the creatures more, and the psyche of all such things. I always termed this "the power of perception", I have been planning on making a thread about it.

My life I have lived much as an observer, watching people, how they interact, how they think, why they behave and say tthings the way they do. Friends and famliy members, random strangers - I use this 'power of perception' on them, to understand how they perceive life and why they are the way they are.

When I learn of someones history, who is a friend, I use the perspective thing to go into them, and perceive their past, to understand why they are the way they are. I take in their feelings, thoughts, observations etc..

This to me has always been a meaningful "practice" - but in the past couple years I have only focused on myself and do not use that 'practice' much anymore, if ever.

Tahnks for bringing that up

reply to post by covertpanther


And that is exactly the kind of program that I was in. It was a human potential program. What it made me was irritable and fearful so that I feared showing any sort of difference to anyone. There is one hell of a conspiracy behind this line of thinking here in the US. It started in the DoD...

Again, though, you're operating under the presumption that we're somehow the dictators of the universe when the truth is that we are insignificant in the face of the universe. I know my place in the universe but it does not impede me at all from being what I am. I am above nothing and equal to all living things. It's a dangerous to thing to elevate oneself to a godlike status.

WhiteAlice
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I assure you that I am quite familiar to these lines of thought. The saying is that people only use 10% of their brain, not 5%, but even that 10% is a misunderstanding. People use every part of their brain but at different times. Some will use their brains more efficiently and diversely but that's more strongly associated with higher intelligence and creativity than paranormal phenomena.

It always blows me away when I encounter thinking that seems to place humanity at the top of control of some holographic universe type of idea in any form of governance capacity. Really, when you think about it, that idea is nearly the same idea as God bequeathing the world to our care from Genesis but just laden with various degrees of science and pseudoscience and taking the whole universe instead of just the planet we inhabit. In reality, we are but a speck on a speck of a planet circling about a speck of a sun in an universe so enormous that our minds, no matter how well utilized, cannot even grasp it. And that's if there is only one universe.

Sorry if I seem a little acidic but I went through the whole brain entrainment crap when I was a child. Thing is, I was born this way and my great grandmother sure as hell didn't need it.

I think that by saying "we only use 10% of our brains" is that we are only aware of 10% of what our own brains are doing. 30% of our brains are used for nothing but visual processing (*), 30% for senses like touch (heat, cold, rough, smooth) and taste, 10% for hearing. Some more brain power is used for motor-control like muscles, the immune system and general management of fluids, glucose and salt levels. Next to the brain our stomaches have a nexus of nerves which handles chemical reactions, energy demands from the body and digestion, and even communicates with the bacteria in our stomaches and digestive systems. We're not usually aware of all that processing going on, except for being aware of objects and sounds around us, touch, and being hungry, tired or thirsty.

Taking some chemical entertainment extends our consciousness to these areas. Perhaps the bad trips are just what happens when we connect with our digestive system

(*) We're not really aware of all the calculations that the brain is doing - image and vision processing people do research in this field and just for one slice of brains cells, they publish a dozen papers and discover just as many algorithms.

reply to post by stormcell


Absolutely agree on brain usage. When looking at fMRI scans during active processing/problem solving, even in the most typical of brains, you'll see that multiple areas of the brain light up but that is simply what is being used for that problem solving. While the brain is doing that, it's also processing all external and internal sensory information along with assuring (hopefully) the operation of the autonomic nervous system--making sure the heart continues beating without thought, controlling the vasomotor reflexes, temperature controls, breathing, and more. The brain is incredibly and amazingly complex. That's why I find that declaration of using only 10% to be so diminishing of what our brains actually do.

That declaration was never about "psyche" but actual usage and an urban legend that has been heavily perpetuated in the media and is used to basically catapult human potential movement ideas. "Using more of the brain" or, its bastard cousin, "using both sides of the brain concurrently", is absolutely rife in the human potential/creativity movement, which does frequently suggest the usage of EMG biofeedback, sound, or hallucinogenic stimulants to "expand the mind". It's all built on a lie. We all use both sides of our brain concurrently on a daily basis and see the above for the 10% but don't rephrase it to be "consciously use" or "psyche" because that is simply refabricating a lie to fit the data.

In terms of these brain enrichment things, they all trace back to the DoD. Every single last one of them. Some may find that as validating but an undesirable side effect for such kind of ventures was also schizophrenia (See Trance, Art, and Creativity by John C. Gowan). The DoD isn't dumb and I think they were quite smart in dropping that particular avenue of research.

Really liked your "bad trip" equation to being an upset stomach.

P.S. I've had the aforementioned experiences without the use of drugs. They are NOT needed.

This happened to me about 5 years ago:

I was sitting in the sunroom of my house meditating. I noticed a fly buzzing against the window, as flies often do, as if trying to escape the house. Having recently read about the law of attraction and being in a meditative state, I opened the door and tried to send thoughts to the fly to leave through the door. It continued buzzing against the window. So I put my hand out and sent thoughts for the fly to land in my hand so that I could take it outside. I waited a bit, but nothing happened. It just kept buzzing against the window. So I returned to my meditation and let it be. But then...

I was watching TV about 2 hours later, after sundown. I was sitting on the couch with my arm on the armrest. Suddenly a fly landed on the armrest. At first I tried to shoo it away, and it did not move, but then I remembered my experiment from earlier. I gently placed my hand against the edge of the armrest, palm facing up. The fly then crawled off the armrest, onto my hand, and came to rest in the center of my palm.

My heart was racing, I couldn't believe it. So I stood up and made the 50 foot walk to the same door of the sunroom. Opened it, put my hand outside, and the fly flew away.

I rarely tell this story because I feel that no one will believe me. But this thread was too perfect not to. This experience was life changing, as it confirmed to me that psychic power/the law of attraction is a very real phenomenon. I don't know if put thoughts in the "mind" of the fly, or if the universe was simply reflecting my intentions. I don't really expect or care if anyone believes me, as I know it happened and it has led me deeper into thought experimentation and meditation, forever.

Vipassana
This happened to me about 5 years ago:

I was sitting in the sunroom of my house meditating. I noticed a fly buzzing against the window, as flies often do, as if trying to escape the house. Having recently read about the law of attraction and being in a meditative state, I opened the door and tried to send thoughts to the fly to leave through the door. It continued buzzing against the window. So I put my hand out and sent thoughts for the fly to land in my hand so that I could take it outside. I waited a bit, but nothing happened. It just kept buzzing against the window. So I returned to my meditation and let it be. But then...

I was watching TV about 2 hours later, after sundown. I was sitting on the couch with my arm on the armrest. Suddenly a fly landed on the armrest. At first I tried to shoo it away, and it did not move, but then I remembered my experiment from earlier. I gently placed my hand against the edge of the armrest, palm facing up. The fly then crawled off the armrest, onto my hand, and came to rest in the center of my palm.

My heart was racing, I couldn't believe it. So I stood up and made the 50 foot walk to the same door of the sunroom. Opened it, put my hand outside, and the fly flew away.

I rarely tell this story because I feel that no one will believe me. But this thread was too perfect not to. This experience was life changing, as it confirmed to me that psychic power/the law of attraction is a very real phenomenon. I don't know if put thoughts in the "mind" of the fly, or if the universe was simply reflecting my intentions. I don't really expect or care if anyone believes me, as I know it happened and it has led me deeper into thought experimentation and meditation, forever.

This reminds me of a sunroom experience I once had:

It was past midnight, I was playing a video game (Madden 2005). I have always been that indivudual who stays up past midnight, and sometimes I would play a video game to make me sleepy.

Anyways to make it short; I was in a large chair, and I got some strange vibes.. I saw something out of the corner of my eye, 5 feet from me.. I turned to my left, and to my fearful-amazement there was a dark-ball of "energy" that was coming through the door! It came through the side I was sitting at, floated beside me for about 2 seconds and "poof", gone.

It had a dark-purple-black colouring, and was about the size of a volleyball! The home I was living at was an old country home, about 60+ years. Wasnt the first ghostly experience in that home, but my only "sunroom" experience lol! I skipped the part where I ran to bed like a little sissy and hid..but there you go

Strange things tend to happen when you stay up late. . .

reply to post by Vipassana
Sure, I believe you, I don't think I've ever pulled off that distance/time with that bug, but I've had variants on this happen to me so often I feel like I am still kind of practicing getting it right. Like sometimes I'll be all irritated, "Oh would you GET OUT already, I'm trying to help you!" trying to help a fly get out the bathroom window or a spider get onto something so I can get it out of the bathtub/shower for example.

Other times I do better and it seems like it will respond... so far the trivias I have concluded (not perfect at this yet, so this may be wrong), is that
well first, a really clear intent as to what one is asking for, and this should be done rather physically, like kinesthetically feel 'going left out that window' for example, don't make it conceptual like a thought but physical like an imagined action; then,
a) genuine positive emotion e.g. heart chakra affection seems to help,
b) PATIENCE seems to be important for some reason, I don't so much mean time-waiting as just 'acceptance',
c) another version of the acceptance is a sort of allowance that simply expects it to "be ok" and to happen, and
d) then literally LETTING GO much like if you're doing mental mandalas (thoughtforms) you have to before it's over.
(Humorously this matches the 'Intention, Attention, Expectation' that psi research suggests is key.)
Combining those seems to have the most ideal results for the endless flies and spiders which seem to find their way into my bathroom, the former because my house is very dark alas and so the bright window of the bathroom draws them in summer, the latter because underneath my house is a whole world of them and they come for the water.

I might add that many eons ago, I read this book solely because I liked the title, called "Behaving as if the God in all life matters" by Michaelle Small Wright, who wrote another couple books specific to "working with nature devas" in her garden. I had some offbeat experiences related to that. Whether this is actually influencing other-identities, or whether it's really only some 'pieces of our larger self,' or whether it's influencing my perception to THINK this is happening, I don't really know, because the effects on 'reality' sometimes seem a little more complete than merely on the assumedly-biological-entities within that reality such as bugs. But I think insects are kind of like 'good practice material' in a way, for us.