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Senate Rejects House Proposal to Avoid Shutdown Hours Before Deadline

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posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:12 PM
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Pilot to Bombardier: 30 seconds to target.....

3 - 2 - 1 ..... Bombs AWAY !!!



They missed the deadline.

The U.S. Government is on 'shut-down'.

Harry Reid refused to meet with House.

Republicans even said OK to fund ObamaCare !!



The federal government will officially shut down after Congress failed to reach an agreement on a short-term resolution to fund the government by midnight Monday, when the current funding resolution expired.

After the U.S. Senate rejected a bill which would have prevented the federal government from partially shutting down, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) denied a request from House Republicans to appoint conferees in order to reconcile the differences between the two chambers.

“We will not go to conference with a gun to our head,” Reid said on the Senate floor before declaring the Senate will be in recess until 9:30 AM EDT on Tuesday.




Senate Rejects House Proposal to Avoid Shutdown Hours Before Deadline




posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:15 PM
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More......



The U.S. government began to shut down for the first time in 17 years early Tuesday, after a Congress bitterly divided over President Obama’s signature health-care initiative failed to reach agreement to fund federal agencies.

Hours before a midnight deadline, the Republican House passed its third proposal in two weeks to fund the government for a matter of weeks. Like the previous plans, the new one sought to undermine the Affordable Care Act, this time by delaying enforcement of the “individual mandate,” a cornerstone of the law that requires all Americans to obtain health insurance............




Shutdown begins: House officials say no more funding votes tonight



posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:15 PM
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reply to post by xuenchen
 


Its all republicans' faults; my sister-in-law says. Because the MSM says so. Because the President of the United States says so.

Is it so though? Maybe some blame should be held, but equal blame to the other side is absolutely in order.



posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:17 PM
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This comes as no surprise, I felt this was the reason why they were pushing for war with Syria so strongly as to use misdirection from the economical reality that the US is in. All of this really shouldn't be happening considering how wealthy the US was; up until that wealth was stolen during the 2008 banker bailout.

What we are seeing here is the result of criminal actions within Government that collapsed the economy and hopefully justice will prevail and the people involved held accountable for their crimes. But sadly... they wont.

The conspirasist in me just tells me this is all part of their diabolical plan.




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posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:18 PM
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12;02 am Oct 1 st Government Shut Down!

Please look at the list and alternatives this may bring about.

So "They "call conspiracy a true statement now!


Bless the innocent
Trinity
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posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:19 PM
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It is all the Republicans fault because they are including things that have nothing to do with funding the government.

The ACA is already funded, it doesn't need this CR to move forward. Proposing to "de-fund" it within this context is pure partisan politics to use a government shutdown as a threat to try to get what they want. Then they want to delay the individual mandate...which again, has absolutely nothing to do with funding the government...which is the ONLY thing this Continuing Resolution should have included in it.

The Senate Democrats and Obama are right to not negotiate with the Republicans on this. This CR should include one thing and one thing only...and that is funding the government.



posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:20 PM
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It's a wakeup call that will go unheeded to all the folks who would rather stand behind the folks elected and the words of the MSM...

For folks who have been paying pained attention, this group has been broken for years..

same old blame game...

but... which house of congress actually debated and voted? which did not debate and tabled?



posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:31 PM
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declaring the Senate will be in recess until 9:30 AM EDT on Tuesday.

Won't the doors be locked? How will they get in?

The place is dun dun dun dunnn... shut down.

You guys can't really be buying this one...



posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:34 PM
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AlienScience
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The ACA is already funded, it doesn't need this CR to move forward.

If it's already so well funded why are the dems having such a fit over "not funding it" then?



The Senate Democrats and Obama are right to not negotiate with the Republicans on this. This CR should include one thing and one thing only...and that is funding the government.

So it's right not to negotiate? Sounds one sided to me. Both sides and all members should be forced to the table and made to stay there until they reach an agreement.



posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:35 PM
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intrptr
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declaring the Senate will be in recess until 9:30 AM EDT on Tuesday.

Won't the doors be locked? How will they get in?

The place is dun dun dun dunnn... shut down.

You guys can't really be buying this one...


Unfortunately for us, congress is somehow considered an "essential service"



posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:35 PM
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intrptr
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declaring the Senate will be in recess until 9:30 AM EDT on Tuesday.

Won't the doors be locked? How will they get in?

The place is dun dun dun dunnn... shut down.
******************************************************************

You guys can't really be buying this one...


OK than answer this prediction -new statement upon other issues that have been in view?


WASHINGTON, Aug 12 (Reuters) - The U.S. Air Force will shut down its space surveillance system that tracks satellites and other orbiting objects by Oct. 1 due to budget constraints caused by automatic federal budget cuts known as the sequestration, it announced Monday.



posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:36 PM
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SlasherOfVeils

intrptr
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declaring the Senate will be in recess until 9:30 AM EDT on Tuesday.

Won't the doors be locked? How will they get in?

The place is dun dun dun dunnn... shut down.

You guys can't really be buying this one...


Unfortunately for us, congress is somehow considered an "essential service"


(personally I'd rather they leave the parks open and send congress home



posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:39 PM
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So the Government for the people has closed its doors...

As if the Doors that are getting slammed are begging to be heard...

Obviously...

Yet the people will not listen...

Once again, the great rift will exist...


The fear of the people to be held responsible....

Or better yet the fear of the people even being educated enough to realize what is happening...

Yes this is an example of US political madness in 2013......

INSANE... The government for the free people of America, the rebels, of 1776 has shut the hell down, and I would say over half of the people of America, have no idea who their founding Fathers are or what they fought for... I am in this moment beginning to understand how the brits felt long ago about the colonies...



I really could use a hug long lost cousins...


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posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:40 PM
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SlasherOfVeils

SlasherOfVeils

intrptr
reply to post by xuenchen
 


declaring the Senate will be in recess until 9:30 AM EDT on Tuesday.

Won't the doors be locked? How will they get in?

The place is dun dun dun dunnn... shut down.

You guys can't really be buying this one...


Unfortunately for us, congress is somehow considered an "essential service"


(personally I'd rather they leave the parks open and send congress home


Pink slip ALL the government and leave our vacation parks open - that just proves how they like to take away anything the NORMAL person really treasures!



posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:40 PM
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reply to post by trinityalways
 


Ha ha.

Sorry we didn't see that one coming.

The space program was shut down!

Am I demented for finding that humorous?

CdT



posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:41 PM
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If it's already so well funded why are the dems having such a fit over "not funding it" then?


This isn't about not funding it...it is about de-funding it. Do you see the difference?

The ACA is funded very well and for a very long time, it was written into the actual bill so it is independent and not reliant on annual budgets or these continuing resolutions.

What the Republicans are proposing is not funding everything except the ACA...they are proposing that they fund everything, and pass additional legislation that modifies the current funding for the ACA. They are trying to pass legislation inside the CR. They are saying "we will only fund the government if we get this piece of legislation passed."

It is very simple...the ACA is funded...the government shutdown has zero effect on it. It does not need this CR for it to operate, it's funding was already passed with the legislation. So the Democrats aren't having a fit over the ACA NOT being funded, they are just refusing to entertain the idea of the Republicans using the shutdown as leverage to REMOVE existing funding.


So it's right not to negotiate? Sounds one sided to me. Both sides and all members should be forced to the table and made to stay there until they reach an agreement.


They are willing to negotiate about the CR and levels of funding. They aren't willing to negotiate passing legislation that has nothing to do with continuing to fund the government.

And yes, at times it is right to not negotiate...and this is one of those times.



posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:45 PM
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but... which house of congress actually debated and voted? which did not debate and tabled?


Due to the Constitution, the bill must originate in the House.

Now ask yourself how many House Democrat amendments or suggestions were put into the House's bill.

Now ask yourself this, which party is smiling and happy about the "government shutdown"? Which ones are not happy and worried about how this is going to affect people?



posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:45 PM
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AlienScience
It is all the Republicans fault because they are including things that have nothing to do with funding the government.

The ACA is already funded, it doesn't need this CR to move forward.


Lets stop right there. How is it already funded? From research, I have gathered that it is funded via the "taxpayer" via wages (read income tax increase) and investment income (another income tax increase). I can say tax increase because the Supreme Court agreed with the Government on this argument; even though that very Government ardently proclaimed it was not a tax.

So yes, there is already a "fund" building that started in 2010 with the "tanning" tax and further increases in the "rich" this year contributed to that "fund", but as we have learned just recently, that a sizable portion of that "fund" is "missing"; $67 million.

Interestingly, the Government hasn't gone through great lengths to ensure that the funds set for Social Security repayment be "funded" outside of obligation.


Proposing to "de-fund" it within this context is pure partisan politics to use a government shutdown as a threat to try to get what they want. Then they want to delay the individual mandate...which again, has absolutely nothing to do with funding the government...which is the ONLY thing this Continuing Resolution should have included in it.


Then by what you say, why are the Democrats in the Senate not just passing the CR and laughing while they do so? If there is no direct correlation between our annual authorization of funds and the PPACA, why turn down the first CR as they did? If it doesn't matter, then fund the Government and then turn and laugh at the Republicans saying it is funded outside of our normal authorization and outside of our Constitutional authority.

No?



posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:47 PM
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No doubt... for those who were painfully watching the process, and the one Republican proposed rider to the CR, that the House Senate and the President (+their staffers) fall under the LAW of the land ACA...

Rep Slaughter (DEM) said... that we aren't treated differently, we have employer subsidized HC, (one that won't be affected)...

I guess she fails to realize that her constituents are the ones who employed her, not the FED GOVT...???

I think I heard from Sen Durbin that the FED gov't subsidizes that group of elected to the tune of over 70% of their health insurance?

I so wish more folks would spend some time vetting what is said, and not relying on 30 sec snippets from their favored TV station.. We would be much better off post upcoming elections...

Plenty of chaff on both sides of the aisle that need separated from the wheat..



posted on Sep, 30 2013 @ 11:48 PM
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laugh all you want safety is paramount letting that area alone(space fence) leaves us open space for ANYTHING - COSMIC-FOREIGN. Try reading what that really means cirque


Isn't IT IRONIC -DON'T YA THINK

Fools are always the ones in the end- that are left with thinking- HUH did that just happen


Trinity
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