Osborne Unveils Tough New Rules For Jobless

The long-term unemployed will have to earn their benefits by doing full-time unpaid community work from next year.
Chancellor George Osborne is to give details of tough new conditions being attached to unemployment handouts - pledging to end the "something for nothing" culture.
Claimants who go through the coalition's flagship Work Programme but still fail to find a job will be required either to do community work, report to a job centre daily, or undergo intensive treatment to tackle problems such as illiteracy or mental illness.
Those who break the rules of the Help to Work scheme, for example by failing to turn up for duty without a good reason, could lose their benefit for four weeks.
A second offence would see them lose it for three months.

Osborne Unveils Tough New Rules For Jobless

I have been looking for work for a while now without any luck. I have lost count of the number of application forms I have filled out and CV's I have posted/emailed to potential employers, there isn't many jobs in my part of the world at the minute and the moment something does come up in the job centre ( which I check daily ) it is inundated with applications. I am literally fed up applying for jobs and not getting a response back it has knocked my confidence and is leaving me quite depressed. I 'loved' working, really enjoyed the social aspect and feeling busy not to mention the money! So this new initiative is a bit of a kick in the teeth for me. I agree that there is many who take advantage of the benefit system but there is also many like myself who genuinely want to work!

the three options I will have come April are as follows -

To still qualify for jobseeker's allowance they will have three options - work placements, such as cleaning up litter, daily visits to a job centre or taking part in compulsory training, for example, to improve their literacy

Cleaning up litter? I thought this was something that prisoners or those that have to do community service do? I wouldn't mind if I was getting at least minimum wage to do this!

Improve my literacy? I am not an eejit! I already check the job centre daily! I have no problem with my reading and writing capabilities! This is just patronizing!

I wish the government would do something to bring more jobs and opportunities here instead of kicking those who are already down!

and lets be honest, those who don't want to work and who take advantage of the benefit system will find a way out of this ' going on the sick' or some other crap like that.

reply to post by Lady_Tuatha

Congratulations, you just got your first conscripted labor force!

Can I interest you in some state run whorehouses?

blame the corporations like asda and tesco they are the reason you are unemployed with their hyper markets the destroy high streets forcing thousands of people out of work every time they open a new 1 the government are in their pockets and thats why you are #ed

This is exactly what the ruling class want.

They know that more and more people are entering the country every day. They know these people will want jobs. They know that there will never be enough jobs to fill the need of the job seekers.

They make it so you work for them, at a lower cost.

A job becomes available, and yes, it is inundated with responses. Those who WANT to work will find it hard to find a job, while those who don't really care, so long as they get paid, are just applying for jobs because the Government tells them to.

Please, I know it's hard, but find work as soon as you can, so that you don't become caught up in the system that is a giant, unforgiving spiderweb.



Good luck.

Lady_Tuatha
and lets be honest, those who don't want to work and who take advantage of the benefit system will find a way out of this ' going on the sick' or some other crap like that.

you do not have the doctors that i do 2 years ago i got my tablets stopped and will not get a sick note from the doctors they have been told not to give them out wtf .
i only received £12.50 a week because i was self employed now i get nothing so fxxx them .

sign off for a month then sign on again that will ruin their 2 year benefits plan as you are are considered a new claim .

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They stopped people doing that, now you have to be employed or signed off at least six months in order for it to be considered as a 'new claim'

I couldn't sign off without finding work, cant afford to, I would have nothing to live on.

reply to post by Lady_Tuatha


For years I've been saying jobs not free money (w/ medical exceptions).
There's so much that needs to be done. So just have a jobs department instead of a welfare one.
Guarantee everyone a job instead of guarantee free money. But that would make too much sense for all parties involved, so scratch that, let's just keep the same debate going about giving money to the poor vs. taking it all away because there really aren't any other solutions.

Lady_Tuatha
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They stopped people doing that, now you have to be employed or signed off at least six months in order for it to be considered as a 'new claim'

I couldn't sign off without finding work, cant afford to, I would have nothing to live on.

go self employed and give yourself a 0 hours contract so you will get tax credits and claim a rent rebate

So, that might be fair enough IF the dole money equals a living wage of say £20 000 a year with rent, council tax, bills etc all paid.

However, there are some people who only receive the minimum job seekrs allowance of around seventy pounds a week. These people would be earning only pennies per hour and SLAVE LABOUR would be a VERY accurate description for their situation.

If I had an unemployed young person in my house I would not allow them anywhere near the unemployment centre. Slavery is not happening to any of mine and I suggest anyone who has a young person and can cope with supporting them until they find work...........afterall if you've supported them for 21 years through school and college, what's another few months...........protect your chld from govt job services.

I like that that.

I was laid off 4 years ago, I was self employed thanks to a lot of tornados in my area, those jobs have dried up about a year ago.

I've taken no government help since my kids have moved in with their mother, and I have been starving since (can't complain I've lost 30 pounds, though I get asked if I'm sick all the time, must be because all I eat is rice) I'll die of starvation on the streets before I ask tax payers to help me, but if I could do community work for my benefits I'd sign up.

P.S. don't feel bad for me I have a CDL license, I just hate the road I'm going back though got kids who need my support.

This is the dynamic of employment...getting paid for work, perhaps not enough, and under the worst union conditions possible...which is why its called working for the dole and not 'employment' (even though the dynamic is the same)...gubberment knows they would have a hard time fulfilling proper workplace conditions...

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reply to post by Lady_Tuatha


Maybe you could investigate the New Enterprise Allowance? I hadn't heard of it at all while I was unemployed until my other half found out about it one day by accident...the DWP didn't tell me about it until I asked them...typical. The woman just shrugged her shoulders and said...well, you didn't ask, so I didn't mention it.

Anyway, it means that you can get 26 weeks financial assistance if you start your own business. Got to jump through a lot of hoops, but there is lots of help out there too. Worth a look maybe, and eventually, it will get you out of the situation you're in.

reply to post by Lady_Tuatha


This is a socialist trap. Think of the USSR, not a good idea people.

They need to take that same money, and those same jobs and create high paying jobs with them and allow room for people who actually want to work to work.

If they want to cut unemployment benefits then they should just do it.



Dont fall for this idea people, its a trap.

I rang centrelinki here a few years ago and asked for work for the dole. I was told I was the first person that had ever asked for it. I was then told I couldn't as I was on disability.

Useless system.

Mind you, work for the dole here was a little more involved than picking up litter. More like doing volunteer work helping charities etc, one was refurbishing old PC's for reuse.

With the price of rent and government housing basically with an infinite waiting list, the newstart allowance here is really just keeping you struggling. You cannot improve your situation, and you cannot get out of it. And they put the thumb on you no matter what.

So if you have any impediment that prevents you from being superman, you're screwed.

Oh but hey, some wanker politician who earns $150,000 a year sitting on her bum in parliament, rekons she could live on the dole.. no worries. Easy.. I'm sure she just gets the maid to look after her kids when the chauffeur drivers her to the shops, and she only goes to woolworths.

There is so much wrong with it all, those who truely do want to get out of the poverty trap are hindered by the legislation to prevent those who seek to abuse it. And all the while politicians give themselves pay rise after pay rise and guffaw about jobs well done, patting each other on the back, oh, here peasant have $1.45 a week increase.. btw, the price of things just went up $10 a week.. ENjoy...

This is possibly the only thing the Tories have actually done that is of any use.

Those who genuinely want to work shouldn't have a problem, it puts something on their CV and keeps them active, and those who are just scroungers will have no choice, and it may give them the kick needed.

Good luck to those that try to go on the sick as well, with the ATOS thing they have little chance.

let's do the maths....

£60 PW JSA
£100 (average) PW HB
£25 PW (average) CTB

= £185 PW @ 30 hours = £6.16 PH, more than NMW, more than a lot of working people get.

They should bring in compulsory drugs tests too, why should our taxes fund smackheads habits.

We have a lot of 'free loaders' in the UK and the majority are not drawing any kind of 'benefits' just 'expenses'. They claim they are 'doing a job' but a job is not what they are doing in any true sense of the word.

The 'Expenses Benefit Scroungers' like to draw attention away from themselves by pointing at a group of people who they demonize at every opportunity.........the unemployed.

Time to look up and see who really is 'taking the p***.

Radio 4 had a very interesting interview last week with a man who pointed out that there will NEVER be enough well paid jobs in the UK as well paid jobs are limited. There can never be social mobility no matter how well educated a person is simply because enough jobs of high wage and qualification do NOT and never will exist.

This is the reason we have so many doctors, scientist and VERY qualified people languishing on unemployment benefit. And the 'nasty party' would like to send them to stack shelves for their wealthy supermarket buddies for free and take the jobs of low paid council workers........for free!

Twisted and sick.........just what we have come to expect!

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]Unfortunately a significant amount of the long term unemployed are young men and women who can only claim the sixty to seventy pound job seekers allowance.

Now do the math.

reply to post by Elliot


Ahh, I knew someone would throw that in.

I stand by what I said.

Why should we (the taxpayer) pay for people to sit around on their arses drinking white cider and / or special brew?
Why should we fund smackdealer Bobs new 50" 3D plasma TV?

I know that isn't applicable to everybody, jobs are scarce and some of those unemployed genuinely want to work, but struggle to find work, those sort of people shouldn't have an issue with this scheme, it keeps them active, it adds to their CV, it shows they are willing.

Self employment is the way forward I think, I started my business just over a year ago, and I am now (finally) better off than I was on the dole.

I started with nothing, and now I have several business contracts as well as residential customers.