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reply to post by NiNjABackflip
What is not nothing, however, is the body. The body is something. The same cannot be said about the spirit. It seems more honest to say that it is the atheist that believes in things, while the theist believes in nothings.
Steve Jobs, the driving force behind Apple, uttered this about 3 hours before his death as reported by his sister Mona Simpson: “OH WOW, OH WOW, OH WOW.” Was he in pain? Did he reflect on his life? Did he see a vision? We’ll never know.
Sir Walter Scott the skeptic said: “Until this moment I thought there was neither a God nor a hell. Now I know that there are both, and I am doomed to perdition by the just judgment of the Almighty.”
Sir Julian Huxley, English evolutionist, biologist and staunch atheist, on his deathbed: “So it is true after all, so it is true after all.”
Robert Ingersoll, noted lecturer and avowed anti-Christian on his deathbed said: “Life is the cold and barren value between two eternal peaks. I strive in vain to see beyond the distant height. I cry out and the only answer I hear, is the echo of my empty wail.”
No one ever believes in nothing. If you believe in something, even if that something is the lack of something else, that idea is existent. And if abstract ideas are just as real as everyone around here claims, then that means you believe in something. Even if that something feels like nothing to someone else.
But it is simply FACT that realities can be experienced WITHOUT those senses. And yes I say FACT.
Of course he is "a corpse" because the physical body cannot last forever. It is born and has a certain lifespan. While alive, we can perceive pleasure (with this body) but can also receive pain etc..the advantages/drawbacks of physicality. Once you realize that physicality is only ONE aspect of a greater reality, of a greater "self" (a theory which I myself see as plausible with lots of evidence)...then it's clear we're more than our body.
How does one believe in nothing? He believes in something that isn't there.
I love this comment!!
edit on 29-9-2013 by bintang because: (no reason given)
Have you ever personally experienced an OBE? If not, how can you speak about it with any authority?edit on 29-9-2013 by Visitor2012 because: (no reason given)
try to imagine if you have no mind
will you have the body?
can you perceive the body?
also imagine if you sleep and never wake up.
or imagine: what if its true that we are living inside a machine.
and if the machine is turned off what will be your existence?
will you survive?
the last one gave me interesting experience that changed how i see the world
maybe something will also happen to you. maybe.
I think you might be taking the saying WAY to literal. I have always interpreted that to mean if you lose your foot, you are still you. If you hand offends you, cut it off. You are not the sum of your parts (but we all know that you are). I don't think you have to dig as deep as you are on this one, but I could be wrong.
I don't feel particularly attached to it, because I believe it is just a vehicle
that I am sequestered within.
I believe this not because of religion, or because I fear death, or because
I wish I were immortal...
I believe this because I am a walking conundrum. I am host to billions of
virus, bacteria, and parasites--a cooperating conglomeration of billions
of cells. An enigma of consciousness that arose on a small planet in
the midst of a huge universe of possibility.
reply to post by Visitor2012
I have had an OBE through techniques that cannot be related here. Do I think something within me left my body? No. I believe I hallucinated or imagined it, just as I do when I dream. No imagined entity is needed for this conclusion.