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Blarneystoner
Anyone else notice that it's always the same three or four members who immediately jump into chemtrail threads to debunk? It's always the same arguments too; "where are the planes", "can't carry that much material", "the pilots who come forth aren't really pilots", etc...
They use the same tactics, same arguments, similar language, etc...
In the mean time, some officials in other countries are disclosing their country's involvment.
It's happening, regardless of what those guys say. It's definitely happening.
OneManArmy
Here is a sourced scientific paper on the subject.
Case Orange
When combining the knowledge of the formation of contrails, the effects of Cirrus clouds on climate, the historical records of weather manipulation programs, the scientific studies on geo-engineering through modification of Cirrus clouds, the available and patented technology coupled with reactions of pilots on the internet one can only come to the following conclusions:
1. Manipulation of climate through modification of Cirrus clouds is neither a hoax nor a conspiracy theory, but currently the best option in geo-engineering considered by decision makers to counter global warming. The impact of production of artificial Cirrus clouds on temperature and precipitation patterns is supported by adequate hard scientific evidence.
2. The ambition of the United States is to control the weather by the year 2025, both for civil and military purposes (offensive and defensive strategies). This research paper contains a proven track record to support that statement.
3. The technology to organize spraying actions on a global scale is widely available. Both civil and military aviation is used for that purpose. The mix, containing oxides of metals and chemical components, can either be dispersed through special designed pods or directly incorporated into the jet fuel. This research paper is well documented in this respect.
4. Since the patents are owned by the main defense contractor for the U.S. armed forces (Raytheon) or the U.S. department of defense itself and given the history record it is obvious that current climate manipulation programs are organized and directed by the United States government.
5. The spraying actions in Europe are only possible with prior approval and intense co-ordination on top government level and industry on executive level. The general public is intentionally kept unaware of the existence of such projects.
6. Although the spraying actions may be considered legal these actions may have a potential detrimental effect on health. There is sufficient scientific evidence available in this research paper to support this thesis.
Report recommendations:
It is not the purpose of this research paper to give a moral appreciation of these actions. Nevertheless the investigation team unanimously comes to the following recommendations for the future:
a) Artificial Cirrus clouds should be classified as a separate cloud genus by the WMO. Additional scientific research with the effects on nature and public health on this subject should be considered. Results -whatever the outcome- should be made public.
b) It is unacceptable that the Awacs aircraft fleet under NATO operates under a Luxemburg civil registration without complying with civil aviation regulations. This is a flagrant violation of the law and this should be corrected in the near future.
Given the very unfavorable engine emission ratios of this aircraft retrofitting of these engines should be considered as soon as practical.
c) When considering a legal case it is better to sue an industrial group, such as Raytheon, rather than a government agency. It is clear for us that the responsibility of Raytheon in this respect is far reaching with the creation of a monopoly in climate modeling and weather as a geo-engineering or military instrument.
If possible an international ban should be placed on such weapons.
d) Although the existence of weather modification projects have been illustrated in an adequate way in this research paper it is now the duty of a serious politician on any level to make enquiries to the government for public release of these spraying schemes through aviation. It is mandatory that such statement should include the reason why such operations are conducted. It is not an option to hide behind the motive of national security.
Zaphod58
reply to post by OneManArmy
It's the same arguments, because the same evidence is brought to the table over and over again. It's not going to change just because it's being trotted out a few months after the last time.
Aloysius the Gaul
OneManArmy
Here is a sourced scientific paper on the subject.
Case Orange
lol - it's anonymous therefore not "scientific" by definition. ASlso the sources given are mostly just other baseless "articles"
Here's what I wrote about its "conclusions" a couple of years ago on another site - I've put in a few new comments that are identified as such.
Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by OneManArmy
Yep it is me - and no, it takes very little time, because you keep coming up with the same ol' drivel and it takes next to no time to show why it is false.
OneManArmy
Zaphod58
reply to post by OneManArmy
It's the same arguments, because the same evidence is brought to the table over and over again. It's not going to change just because it's being trotted out a few months after the last time.
And what about this...
Science Mag
OneManArmy
Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by OneManArmy
Yep it is me - and no, it takes very little time, because you keep coming up with the same ol' drivel and it takes next to no time to show why it is false.
I just googled "MikeC debunk". You are very prolific in the field of "debunking" a whole cross section of things.
Its as if you are a ..... "professional"
But just notice, Im at least trying to do my homework.
Aloysius the Gaul
what about it - again not a single bit of evidence that any "spraying" is being carried out.
this is a meeting to sort out how to regulate geoengineering - which is a lot more than just potentially spraying in the atmosphere.
There is a lot of concern that there is nothing to stop individuals or groups to do it unilaterally, nd that would be a bad thing.
Again you could find all sorts of info on the topic of regulation of geoengineering here on ATS if you bothered to look:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and an example of an individual doing erxactly that:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
I would have thought that laws against geoengieering would be welcomed by chemmies - but no, y'all condemn proposals for them as "proof it is happening"!!
Un-freakin'-believable!!
and also 0/5
Aloysius the Gaul
OneManArmy
Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by OneManArmy
Yep it is me - and no, it takes very little time, because you keep coming up with the same ol' drivel and it takes next to no time to show why it is false.
I just googled "MikeC debunk". You are very prolific in the field of "debunking" a whole cross section of things.
Its as if you are a ..... "professional"
got any evidence of me being paid to debunk? I bet you don't......since there is none :p so all you are doing is making up stories.
Better yet - since I do so much of it, can you advise me where I can get paid for it, 'cos that would make life a bit easier!
and are you suggesting that I don't have a right to debunk bunk?
But just notice, Im at least trying to do my homework.
no - you are avoiding doing your homework - you are looking to attack me rather than evaluate the evidence.
Just another chemmie avoidance tactic.
and since you made 2 false claims here you are now 0/7!!edit on 7-11-2013 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)
OneManArmy
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Hey I see scientists, many of them, carrying out the theory,
registering patents
and scientists discussing how to regulate it. Not exactly creating laws against it.
And besides many times profit is involved, ethics go out the window. Debunk that.
Even if chemtrails are not happening right now, it seems there are many many plans to implement it in the future.
University of Oxford - Geoengineering
OneManArmy
You accuse me of personal attacks then call me a "chemmie" - No Im an agnostic when it comes to geoengineering.
As for calling you a shill, thats just my assumption based on circumstantial evidence.
Oh yes I have noticed, anyone would think they were paid.
If that is you, it would seem you spend a lot of time on chemtrail forums "debunking" the theories.
And what about this...
The patent exists.
And a whole lot more
Anyone else notice that it's always the same three or four members who immediately jump into chemtrail threads to debunk? It's always the same arguments too; "where are the planes", "can't carry that much material", "the pilots who come forth aren't really pilots", etc...
They use the same tactics, same arguments, similar language, etc...
In the mean time, some officials in other countries are disclosing their country's involvment.
It's happening, regardless of what those guys say. It's definitely happening.