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Who's worse- Big Government or Big Business?

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posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:09 AM
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I wanted to bring something up that people never really think about. We hear a lot on here about how evil government is, and how any government plans or programs must be bad, especially if they're large or expensive. Recently, we are hearing so many people complaining that the government is taking all their money (even though taxes for many are the lowest in decades). I would like to put things in perspective.

Lets look at where peoples' money really goes. Yes, some people pay a lot in taxes, if you live in New York or New Jersey, make a high income and own a home, then you are paying a heck of a lot of taxes between federal, state and property taxes. But, for people not in that boat, the situation is very different. A lot of people today are paying between 0% and 15 percent in federal income taxes. While 15% isn't small, compare this to what we pay to bankers and corporations. The average mortgage in this country is probably $1200 to $1500 dollars. When you consider that the average family income is around 50 thousand dollars, which would be about 4 grand a month, you're paying 20% to 25% on a house, a lot of which is interest we're forced to pay to the banks. Also, the fact that our capitalist society turns necessary life commodities like housing into casino games on Wall street also forces us to pay a lot of money for no good reason. Then look what we pay for a new car, around $20,000 at least, plus car insurance, plus gas, which is, once again, jacked up in price by capitalists. Then come medical insurance and doctor's bills which are unbelievably overprices.

In my opinion it's big business that's bankrupting America- not big government.




posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:16 AM
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Government cannot be compared to Business because they are to totally separate creatures. Gov't is supposed to ensure the welfare of the country by maintaining infrastructure and National Security, paid through taxes. Whereas business is ran for a profit.

Two totally different priorities.

Big Government is a threat to society as a whole.



posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:16 AM
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Ironically 'big business' exists because you buy stuff that they need your money. Have you forsaken all products from those you hate or are you just another hypocrite spouting garbage while sucking it in?

It's a fair question.



posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:18 AM
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If people were to get more involved and express their views on issues to the government then I would pic big government any day.

Most people that care about issues and voicing their opinion do not like the government. This is because the government follows mandates given by voters that rarely pay attention to the issues. Instead they think more about things offered by big business. big government could be the only thing that can save us from big business. I doubt it would work the other way around.



posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:18 AM
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Big businesses exist because of government. They have a convoluted symbiotic relationship to one another. You could just think of them as Siamese twins.
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posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:19 AM
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Nah - it's not remotely close to a binary question. Government can still ~easily~ crush any Big Business it so chose. Anyone who believes otherwise hasn't been paying attention. The Government's ability to leverage business to whatever political and geopolitical need it has is still unrivaled in any developed nation. It's only in underdeveloped nations it's even remotely close to a question. And even then it's Big Business beholden to ~another~ Government broker. Not on its own.

It's only a Liberal talking point that the real power lies w/ Big Business. At the end of the day they are inextricably empowered by each other with Government - again, in developed nations - being the more senior partner. You have to break the State - to break the big business/State complicit stranglehold.

-Mags



posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:21 AM
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TDawgRex
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Government cannot be compared to Business because they are to totally separate creatures. Gov't is supposed to ensure the welfare of the country by maintaining infrastructure and National Security, paid through taxes. Whereas business is ran for a profit.

Two totally different priorities.

Big Government is a threat to society as a whole.


You may be right, maybe I am drawing a blank.

What services are offered by government that there isn't an equivalent service offered in the private sector?

Isn't it just a matter of policy (the only sole service i can think of) that decides who is entitled to offer services and to what degree?
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posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:27 AM
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On the surface these would seem to be our choices but is there truly a line between the two anymore?



posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:30 AM
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The two have a symbiotic relationship nowadays as has been pointed out. One cannot live without the other it seems and yet when a business tries to play by the rules and yet still the owner speaks his or her piece against the Gov't, they get audited over and over and media vilifies them.

Both can be a power for good, but when they are in cahoots together...pure evil.

ETA: Yep, the government has created the need for contractors (in the name of business and jobs) to replace what it was supposed to do in the first place. I think it was because it has gotten to big with other policies/agencies in the first place.
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posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:30 AM
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I don't know!

It seems that big business has it's hands and interests in big government though. Laws passed to benefit the corporations to change laws, regulations, and circumvent laws and mandates set in place to protect us, the common folk from, monopolies. I don't know. Would we say, for example, Monsanto is working to become a monopoly on agriculture, working for their aims and changes by lobbying in government? I'll support your run for senate, here is some money, but we need a favor.... This law here, well....

It will be interesting to follow the thread and get a better understanding on the relationship between government and big business. S&F OP.

CdT



posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:31 AM
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You want to know which is worse government or business? Try doing this and see what happens. Stop giving Walmart your money and Walmart goes out of business and closes.

Stop giving the government your money and you go to jail.



posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:35 AM
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If all big businesses go away, then how do citizens get money ?

Where do jobs come from then ?



posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:35 AM
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Carreau
You want to know which is worse government or business? Try doing this and see what happens. Stop giving Walmart your money and Walmart goes out of business and closes.

Stop giving the government your money and you go to jail.


Succinctly put!

Well done!



posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:38 AM
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I doubt that the OP is serious about
comparing big business to big Gov.

Why would I say something so dismissive?












Because they weren't there when I was pimping this video.

Or the year after that when I tried to bring it up again.

Or earlier this year when I was hawking it to various threads.

And I doubt they will watch it this round... either.

Mike










posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:41 AM
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I have to agree.

While BIG BUSINESS controls government, it does not have the ability to terrorize you.

BIG business cant SWAT team you, or strip you of your rights or "legally" assassinate you via a citizen kill list.

But we know that the government is basically owned by BIG business.

Which is why Ron Paul is loved and respected by so many. Lobbyists wouldnt even approach the man.


Former lobbyist says Ron Paul cant be bought.


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posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:48 AM
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Who's worse- Big Government or Big Business?

Nowadays the differences are drying up.


In my opinion it's big business that's bankrupting America- not big government.

The two are supposed to be separate. But today, politicians and corporate business men switch between the two, using one to shore up the other.

The limited, of, by and for the people government has been supplanted by corporate America. Revolving door business and politics where business men become heads of state and vice versa.

The lobbyists loyal to big business grease the political wheels with "Campaign contributions" (bribes), adapting the nations laws to suit their enterprise.

And what an enterprise.

Sir George---

Warning, Mature Language!



posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:53 AM
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It's only a Liberal talking point that the real power lies w/ Big Business


The rich run the government. Did you know that business sometimes actually the writes laws for congress? Big business also has fancy retreats and events where they get to have the politicians' ears over drinks and dinners, unlike all of us. Oh, and a senator actually said that the banks own the senate? I think that was Dick Durbin, one of the top democrats in congress.



posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 12:59 AM
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The question is moot...

BOTH are controlled by the same gang of Satanists and mass murderers.

The way I see it, we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

We reap what we sow...


"Whoever can trace the connection between cause and effect, will be convinced, that if the people are corrupt, the government will of necessity be so." Ratification of the Constitution

"In Democracy, the government is an expression of the people. If the people are corrupt, the government will be too. If the people cannot live within their means, why would the government of the people be any different?" America

"A free government cannot long exist where the people are corrupt." Link

"...the real problem is the type of people that make up any system of government. If the people are corrupt then obviously and without doubt it WILL be a corrupt system." Link

"As one of the founding fathers said also, democracy does not ensure that the best decisions will be made. It merely ensures that a wrong decision will be arrived at by a majority consensus. The government will never be better than the electorate that it is supposed to represent. If the people are corrupt and decadent, so will be the government. That is a word of warning to all. We get what we deserve."

Does American/U.S. democracy still work today?

"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Democracy thrives on corruption. It's a death sentence to a Republic however. Mussolini defined FASCISM as the marriage of corporations to the state. This is US."

Is Democracy Possible In A Corrupt Society?

"It is only non corrupt people that can hold their leaders to account, so you'll agree with me that the government is corrupt because the people are corrupt." Leaders Of A Corrupt People



posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 01:55 AM
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That's funny...many think they are separate entities



posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 03:21 AM
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CB328



It's only a Liberal talking point that the real power lies w/ Big Business


The rich run the government. Did you know that business sometimes actually the writes laws for congress? Big business also has fancy retreats and events where they get to have the politicians' ears over drinks and dinners, unlike all of us. Oh, and a senator actually said that the banks own the senate? I think that was Dick Durbin, one of the top democrats in congress.


Yep - like I said. Imaginary talking point. That dynamic has little to do with business owning Government and more to do w/ the complicit benefactor relationship. The moment it becomes politically untenable those same power brokers are out on their arse, indicted, scandalized, etc. Pointing out exceptions to the rule doesn't help.

If you want to break *quote* Big Business *quote* evil the way it's socialized today primarily on the Left - then you ~must~ break State. Period. -Mags





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