ObamaCare Ushers in The Mark of The Beast!

reply to post by EllaMarina


The problem with this line of thinking is that its not biblical to begin with, biblically there are many “antichrists” not just one. The idea of turning the “beast” into an “antichrist” is specifically Jesuit Roman Catholic teaching written by Francisco Ribera as a result of the Council of Trent in relation to the Protestant Counter-Reformation.

All the other beasts are specifically listed as being countries, except according to Ribera the last two mentioned in Revelation. Since John was using the same prophetic language as Daniel, and even went so far as to make the first beast a compilation of the four beasts of Daniel, why would anyone turn them into “men” as opposed to them being the “countries” they were originally meant to be? He did this to hide the fact that Rome and the Pope were specifically mentioned in the prophecies, a fact that men such as Martin Luther were running around Europe screaming at the top of their lungs.

So he took the original list of countries that was well known by early Christianity and he swtiched it from this:
Daniel
1)Babylon
2)Media/Persia
3)Greece
4)Rome
4a)The Pontifex Maximus
Revelation
5)Rome
6)A future yet unknown country.

To this:
Daniel
1)Babylon
2)Media/Persia
3)Greece
4)Pagan Rome
4a)Nero
Revelation
5)An antichrist man
6)A false prophet

The chip is already in the majority of hands. ie(cell phones)

reply to post by defcon5


Your first 1 through 8 seem ready now. If most aren't already apart of this system. Like Equifax, Experian, etc. and IMF World Bank, Bank of Shanghai.

Shanghai will be issuing USA credit on their terms, and China just announced they are gonna stop using prisoners as organ donors. Wasn't that nice!

A trust will be broken, and no chip, no credit!

China is actually technologically surpassing USA. The key was Education.

Banned US Commercial about the national debt - (this aired in my area)
www.youtube.com...



Then, EU can easily adopt, if not already having their own version of Odramacare. Russia and China will be top dogs in the next theaters!

Then for Biometrics, that side of technology is moving so fast, we cant keep up. We are losing control over our own technology.

Any day Google will become self-aware!!



I came across an interesting TED conference about waste, and waste by country.

The charts this guy did are amazing, and say a lot.

Tristram Stuart: The global food waste scandal
www.youtube.com...


He came up with this crazy concept:
leftoverswap.com/benefits.html
leftoverswap.com...

reply to post by Isitwhatitis

Okay lets take cellphones and compare it to our criteria list:

1)It's enacted by the “Beast” or last superpower.
2)It's International.
3)It's based on your face or hand.
4)It contains the number of a man.
5)You cannot buy or sell without one.
6)It shows allegiance to the Beast.
7)You cannot be removed once in the system.
8)It contains a “marking” that is one short of a marking used by God.

1)No one is forcing you to get a cellphone, there is no law making it mandatory.
2)Yes.
3)No.
4)Yes.
5)No.
6)No.
7)Forget to pay your bill and see how fast your out'ta that system.
8)Not that I am aware of.

AbleEndangered
A trust will be broken, and no chip, no credit!

First off, I want to make sure you understand that this idea that it will be an implanted chip can very well be wrong for a number of reasons.

Revelation was written in Greek, and translated to English, the word used for “IN” I believe is “ELI”. “ELI” has something like 20 translations, including “Based upon”. To the translators back in the 1500's, the thought that you could be "in a database" would have never occurred to them, so they translated that the mark would be “in” you as it made more sense at the time.

An implanted sub-dermal chip is easy to remove with an exacto blade, some pressure, and a few seconds pain. Putting your information in a chip that you carry is not very secure. That is why they are collecting your information in putting it in a database that they control. Once your information is in that database you are never going to get it back out again.

The push in the latest legislation has been to collect your biometric data. The real reason for all the screaming over the photo requirement on your voters registration card is because that was the only “b-list” identity document that could be used that didn't have a biometric facial recognition photo on it. The whole point of the new immigration reform is to require the use of E-Verify for employment. E-Verify requires a biometric photo ID, and eliminates the voter registration card as a valid identity document.

RFID is only readable from several feet away, and it requires a dedicated reader station. Facial Recognition uses existing cameras that are already everywhere, and can read your information over great distances (even from a drone aircraft), and in a large crowd without your knowledge. They are never going to go to the expense of installing limited chip readers when they already have an "in place", more effective system. The FBI just spent $3billion on facial recognition systems, how much have they spent on RFID readers?

They use this fear of being “chipped” as misdirection so you don't see what is really going on, which is even more scary, but less well understood.

AbleEndangered
Then, EU can easily adopt, if not already having their own version of Odramacare. Russia and China will be top dogs in the next theaters!

There is zero need to have Obamacare outside the US, and it does not meet the criteria of the “Mark”. What is really going on here is that a bunch of “conservative” Christian pharisees, who don't want to have to pay for medical care of the less fortunate (because they are uncharitable), are pushing this idea that its the “mark” to frighten Christians into lobbying it down.

There is no need for any such legislation for there to be the “Mark” the legislation already exists under the Real ID Act, the Patriot Act, and the new Immigration Act. These are far more powerful, further along in implementation, and far more accurately encompass what the bible is talking about in regards to the “mark”. The UN is standardizing biometrics via their International Civil Aviation Organization, just look up ICAO facial recognition format photo. these are the same standard formats used in Visa's and E-Passports, they are internationally shared.

Once again... LETS BE CLEAR. THE MARK OF THE BEAST WILL NOT BE TECHNOLOGICAL IN NATURE. iT ALSO HAS TO BE ACCEPTED WILLINGLY AND IN FULL AWARENESS OF IT BEING DONE. THEY HAVE TO SWEAR THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO THEM AS WELL. SHeesh. why dont you guys ever read?

reply to post by defcon5


I have noticed variations in translations of the "IN" as "ON". When in doubt, I always default to the KJV.

Back in the day like 10 years ago I was reading (on slashdot) about RFID Range potentials and went looking on something to substantiate that.

www.tombom.co.uk/extreme_rfid.pdf
www.tombom.co.uk...

Range Predictions
Given that the radar range equation holds true for Gen2, we can make some predictions about the read
range capabilities of systems far bigger than the one we have built. First, let us consider what could be assembled at “reasonable cost” and operated within the confines of amateur radio rules. Legal-limit power amplifiers are rare and expensive at UHF frequencies, but they can be built using modern parts without too much difficulty. Generally, large power amplifiers (like the one in this system) break apart an input signal into several parts, each of which is amplified separately then recombined. In this way, many small amplifiers can be used to build a single very large amplifier at significantly reduced cost.

Large antennas to handle the power are also available;
http://(link tracking not allowed)/dx2PmD is a suitable loop yagi that can be stacked into a 2x2 array for power handling of 2000 watts overall and gain of 26dBi. The entire combination of power amp and antenna arrays can be assembled for less than $5,000 with a predicted read range of 12,000 feet – a little over 2 miles. Next we consider military systems. The US Navy (and several other countries) use a radar system called AN/SPS-49. This system operates on the 851-942MHz band, supplying 280 kilowatts of peak power into a parabolic dish that is 24 feet wide by 14 feet high (approximately 35dBi at 900MHz) – applying the radar range equation as before gives a predicted read range of 80 miles for this system.


Finally, we must consider the theoretical limit for such a system. The largest parabolic dish in the
world is the 300-meter Arecibo radio observatory; at 900MHz this dish has an effective gain of around 70dBi. Applying a legal-limit amateur radio transmitter (as is sometimes allowed) of 1500 watts to this dish gives a read range of around 317 miles – well into the range of low-earth orbit.

In reality there are several factors which limit the read range to far less than these maximums, and one of the most fundamental may lie in Gen2 itself. There are strict timing requirements placed on both the reader and the tag, with both sides abandoning communication if timeouts are reached. Ironically, this timing restriction may be the ultimate self-imposed limit on Gen2 read range – a 10-mile read range (for a 20 mile round trip) takes about 100 microseconds, so we still believe that reading RFID tags from more than a mile away is entirely possible.

Then, when combined with this or the orbital range referred to above!

Spy Drone Can See What You are Wearing From 17,500 Feet
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHrZgS-Gvi4



They also spent 3.4 Billion on Smart (hacked) electric meters that can detect RFID with higher wattages. Even some of those new ISP supplied Modem/LAN router. I wonder why they want control of your LAN too?

Check this out:

WiFi Radiation - Dangers of WiFi - See It Measured - How To Re
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICA19oKPi5I



Opinion on Europe:
Europe is ran by Germany (& small elite factions), its like Germany never lost World War II....

yuppa
Once again... LETS BE CLEAR. THE MARK OF THE BEAST WILL NOT BE TECHNOLOGICAL IN NATURE. iT ALSO HAS TO BE ACCEPTED WILLINGLY AND IN FULL AWARENESS OF IT BEING DONE. THEY HAVE TO SWEAR THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO THEM AS WELL. SHeesh. why dont you guys ever read?

Absolutely not true, please show me scriptural proof that it must be fully known what it is, and willingly taken. As a matter of fact the bible says that it will be “forced” on the masses, no options or explanations given. You either do this or you starve, cannot work, cannot drive, cannot get medical care, etc... You essentially give up your rights as a citizen under the governments of the world. You'd be surprised how many countries have mandatory Biometric National ID's, as that would never fly in the US, they are making it impossible to not get one.

AbleEndangered
I have noticed variations in translations of the "IN" as "ON". When in doubt, I always default to the KJV.

The KJV was written in the 1700's I believe, they would have had concepts such as tatooing or putting things (like ink) under or on the skin, so that is why they chose that translation. Today, we know that they can digitally capture your facial biometrics or fingerprints and put them IN a storage media, so that makes the “based upon” translation even more valid in light of recent technology.

So its a system that is “based upon your right hand or forehead”, in other words its based on your digital biometrics making a unique measurement ID number of a “man”, and being stored in an international database system.

AbleEndangered
Back in the day like 10 years ago I was reading (on slashdot) about RFID Range potentials and went looking on something to substantiate that.

Christians are still one of the biggest religions in the world, and they will never accept an implanted chip. Even non-Christians know that version of prophecy, and will not allow it. Yet we know that the “mark” come to pass. It makes more sense that they keep using this “implanted chip” as a threat so they can put in the real Mark. Sort of like an adult getting a kid to cut the grass by telling them, “hey this weekend I want you to paint the house, or you can cut the grass”. Of course the kid is going to pick what he considers the lesser of the two “jobs”, which is the one the parent wanted him to pick to begin with. That is what they are doing with this “chip threat”, “Hey, we're going to require that get chipped... but in the interim while that is argued in the political arena, we're just going to take your biometric photo.” Its misdirection, just like a magician.

Facial Recognition is so much more powerful then being chipped and so much cheaper, that they will never really chip any large population. Why put limited data in a chip that can be altered, destroyed, or removed, when you can have all the data in your database where you have unlimited space and 100% control over that data? Why bother buying and installing readers when you already have freely installed networked security, traffic, etc.. cameras all over the place?

reply to post by amy2x


The Mark really began after 1963. Obama Osama Hussein really is just as much as a victim as you.

Listen to the Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz not the Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

reply to post by defcon5


How does the beast know who are his own? Simple: they are all willing to worship him and his image. Their worship is the mark by which they are identified! Those who refuse to worship will be exposed by their refusal to perform the act of idolatrous obeisance. Their steadfast loyalty to God, however, will be the evidence that they carry the seal of God. The "mark" of the beast is not visible writing, just as the "seal" of God’s servants is not done in writing. It is the behavior of the person that indicates where the person’s allegiance is.

HEre. THIS explains what the MARK IS and WHEN i t will be used.
www.amightywind.com...

THAt is how you will know the mark. Current RFIDs are not the mark. The marks only come about AFTER the 2 witnesses appear to preach the word.

reply to post by yuppa


Isn't signing your name to a contract kinda like swearing allegiance?


reply to post by defcon5


Yep, I was thinking about Tattoos, and even what Hitler/Nazis did with the yellow star. Yellow Star was precursor. Are their instances where this has happened through the whole Earth?

The Star of David/Seal of Solomon/ Talisman of Saturn. Is a 2D representation of a sacred geometry the double tetrahedron and the isocohedron. A hidden structure supporting spheres in our universe.

Well, if you take the 2D representation and start counting things. You get 6 triangles, 6 points, 6 intersections, 6 lines, and who knows what else. I am familiar with the 616 issue, bu I kinda disregard that after the Solomon connection. 666 talents of gold, and the ring.

Some cool physics going on with that shape. I see how it can be a symbol of universal power, a symbol of the atom in a way.



DNA signature
Retina Pattern Signature
Fingerprint Signature
Face Signature

Then RFID, cuz you cant track DNA, face, fingerprint or retina from aerial or space like RFID.

They love Redundancy!

reply to post by AbleEndangered

Excellent Info

reply to post by yuppa

"3 Those who receive the mark of the beast will have been DECEIVED by the beast to receive his mark."

I strongly disagree with that point. Taking the Mark is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. They certainly are not deceived if they take the Mark.

yuppa
How does the beast know who are his own? Simple: they are all willing to worship him and his image.

Worship in a biblical sense does not mean literally getting on your knees and preying to something. It means putting your love, or faith in something above God. Do you think that when people talk about the worship of money that they mean people actually praying to money? Of course not.

If the news came out tomorrow that we were going to be hit by an asteroid, who would most people turn to to save them? God or their governments space programs?
If there was a world plague tomorrow, who would they turn to? God or the CDC and FEMA?

People are worshiping their government by handing over their biometrics to prove their loyalty and show allegiance to the government as opposed to the “terrorists” in trade that the government protect them from the terrorists.

See the problem here?

yuppa
Their worship is the mark by which they are identified!

The mark is simply a sign of allegiance, which is what the Real ID is.

yuppa
Those who refuse to worship will be exposed by their refusal to perform the act of idolatrous obeisance.

Those who refuse the Real ID will be stripped of their rights as a citizen, and will be branded as being in allegiance with terrorists, or at the least an illegal immigrant.

yuppa
The "mark" of the beast is not visible writing, just as the "seal" of God’s servants is not done in writing. It is the behavior of the person that indicates where the person’s allegiance is.

And giving up your God given freedom to be numbered among the government loyal in order to be protected from 'harm' is showing God through your behavior that you have no faith in God for his protection.

yuppa
HEre. THIS explains what the MARK IS and WHEN i t will be used.
www.amightywind.com...

Again, I am telling you there will be no chip. A chip will be constantly threatened, but will never come to fruition. Going to the chip from facial biometrics makes about as much sense as going from color TV back to black and white.

yuppa
The marks only come about AFTER the 2 witnesses appear to preach the word.

The two witnesses are the Old and New Testament of the bible that was taught in secret (taught in sackcloth) during the rule of the Roman Catholic Church when it was illegal to be non-Catholic or even own a bible.

Before any of this can happen the 3rd Temple of David must be built?

Don't really follow this too closely but until they start rebuilding that temple don't think this biblical stuff can occur according to the book.

reply to post by BABYBULL24


Ezekiel might be referring to the 1.5 (low-balling big time) Kilometer Golden Borg Cube Mothership in Revelations 21.

After Heaven was destroyed in the Great War, it had to be rebuilt!

reply to post by DonVoigt


passwords, PIN 's we all have them, Bank account numbers Social security number, phone numbers E mail , Driver's license and smart phones we can not live without them in todays society, but there is one will will be forced to get.

This is still to come , we do not need to know every bit of info we need to prove who we are yet , but the coming system will take all the above and make all in one. this will be a chip or implant or a number we are giving, a all in one PIN, with handprint or eye recognition to back up that info to prove who we are and what we make , and where we spend all them credits or debits, we have not become a cashless society , yet .. oh I feel a dance move a comm'en on

reply to post by BABYBULL24

There are three schools of prophecy.
Two came from the Jesuit order of the Roman Catholic Chruch as part of the Protestant Counter-Reformation. They are:
1)Preterism
2)Futurism

The third school is what all the original protestant fathers believed and taught, and its called Historicism.

Preterism is the current belief held by the Catholic Church, and Futurism is what most people today are familiar with. The reasons for these two beliefs was to put an end to the Historicist teaching that the end times involved the Roman Catholic Church and the Pontifex Maximus (the Pope), as being “bad guys” in end times prophecies.

The idea of a third rebuild temple is based on Futurism, and its based on the 70 weeks of Daniel. I'll show you how that interpretation was twisted to take it into a “future” period that involved a rebuilt temple, a peace treaty, and the antichrist:

Okay, first the verse:

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Now the verse as Futurist believe it, notes added by me:

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince (antichrist) that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he (The antichrist) shall confirm the covenant (covenant to rebuild the temple and start the sacrifice again) with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (the antichrist breaks the peace treaty), and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Now, how the original fathers believed this verse to read:

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince (the Romans) that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary (in 70ad); and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he (Christ) shall confirm the covenant (the covenant of God that he would send the Jews a Messiah) with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (he is put to death 3 years into his ministry, and at his death the animal sacrifice become invalid because he makes the ultimate sacrifice. This is shown in the Bible as the “Temple veil” tearing in half), and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (because of their rejection of Christ, and their continuation of the animal sacrifice despite it being inferior to Christs sacrifice, God allows the Romans to destroy Jerusalem and the Temple Mount)

See how that works?
If you want to read some more here you go:
Francisco Ribera (author of futurism)
The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism

reply to post by defcon5

I do see your point but , The new system will be a forced upon society as a whole, REAL ID is a stepping stone of what is to come, hand prints and facial recognition, even eye scan will be of the next part, why stolen identity, not to protect you, the individual, but the banks and card companies , and for the GOV of knowing whom is whom www.consumer.ftc.gov... oh can you feel the air of what is cooming down oooh an othe dance is a comen