reply to post by TrueBrit
A good counter point / observation...
The flaw in that argument is everything that is created by human hands has a chance to fail and then some. The intent behind purchasing these
vehicles is not to engage forces with anti tank / anti truck capabilities. Should an event occur on American soil where anti tank missiles are being
used I doubt engagement will be restricted to solely law enforcement agencies.
While people like to invoke Posse Comitatus, they seldom understand what the law is, how it works and who its applied to.
The north Hollywood shootout set a standard change in law enforcement tactics and weaponry.
* - The 2 guys who started that mess were dressed head to tow in body armor.
* - The standard issue weapons to the LAPD was not enough to penetrate that body armor.
* - The weapons being used against law enforcement were superior.
During that incident, the LAPD officers were issued orders to take head shots in an effort to stop the threat, since shooting center mass was no
longer an option due to the body armor.
During that incident LAPD officers had to go to a local gun shop and secure high powered rifles in an effort to level the playing field and to stop
During that incident LAPD had to commandeer an armored bank car in order to retrieve wounded persons as well as to get people trapped in the cross
fire out of the vicinity.
The response to this incident created a first in LA Police History. They had to issue a city wide tactical alert, and when it was said and done more
than 250 + officers from the LAPD and surrounding agencies responded to the situation.
Common practice at the time is to secure the perimeter and wait for SWAT to respond. Common practice was to only allow SWAT the ability to use certain
types of weapons.
The Massacre at Columbine High School was the second change in normal procedure. In that instance it was common practice to, again, secure the
perimeter and wait for SWAT to arrive on scene. The aftermath of that event changed that, allowing officers to take immediate action the moment they
arrive on scene / have a second officer with them.
My department has 1 military surplus vehicle. That vehicle is not reserved solely to SWAT. The primary purpose of that vehicle is to allow officers
to reach an area that would otherwise be impossible to reach due to the threat present. We have trained in using this vehicle to respond to active
shooter situations, including training at our schools.
The training situations involved not just the police department, but school officials and area business owners (larger businesses) so they know what
to expect. Our agency likes to keep the community in the loop on our operations and reasons for obtaining some of the equipment we have. As an
example our High School is relatively new, meaning there are no trees and on 3 of the 4 sides its farm land. That open area makes it extremely
dangerous to approach the school should an incident occur.
Some people may think the 4th side of the school is the safe approach. To them I say an active shooter may very well know that and formulate their
plan taking that into account. The armored vehicle we have allows us to approach through those open areas in a safer manner than if we are on
There are other factors to consider that are generally not discussed in the public realm.
As an example regional disaster plan training. If a major disaster were to occur standard police vehicles are not going to be able to access every
area. I can say with certainty a standard patrol vehicle is not going to be able to make it very far in 3 feet of water, let alone 1 or 2 feet,
depending on the distance of travel to a shallow area.
While people see hospitals as places of refuge, in a mass situation those institutions are going to run very low on key supplies, like medication.
That medication is going to need to be brought in from outside the area, making those shipments vulnerable, requiring an escort or even loading those
supplies into the armored vehicles themselves to ensure delivery and distribution.
I can continue giving examples of there usefulness in situations but you get the idea. As I stated I have no issues with people watching government
actions. My only request is to think it all the way through before making a leap of illogic and assuming the worst.