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So, disregarding the attempt to take it back to a false accusation conversation, can you provide one piece of evidence to back up the claim that judges have reduced sentences in rape cases because the victim was partially to blame?
A judge may take into account the circumstances of the situation, but i have NEVER, and I mean NEVER, seen a judge give a lighter sentence because the girl was 'asking for it'.
This is a completely fallacious argument. Being charged with something is not the same things as having actually done the thing (which, again, is what we are talking about)
Because its absolutely okay to rape someone if they're dressed provocatively, drunk and unable to really make a mature, sober decision?
The idea is absurd, because the decision to do or not to do these things does not depend on understanding or not understanding concepts.
I'm sure most murderers, to take another example, have a perfectly clear understanding of the concept of "not killing". They're just not motivated to act upon it.
If you want to change people's behaviour towards other people, you need to work on their motivation, not on their understanding of concepts.
We have turned into a world where we are "teaching" things that come from a moral center and should not need to be taught. Even worse, they are taught by the same jackasses that brought us the "Just Say No" crap, the "Get Out The Vote" crap and all the slogan driven "change your behavior" drivel. Instead of treating people like humans, we treat them like defective assembly line robots who, when corrected by some pseudo authority, will surely turn into the model citizens, just like the millions of kids who sat through a stupefyingly simpleminded DARE program in grade school and never, never, never took drugs.
The meme originally came about in response to oppose "blame the victim" tactics used by many that effectively say " if you didn't wear that, drink that, show that, say that or go there' - then you wouldn't have been raped'. This blaming of the victim dogma is prevalent in the policing and court systems around the world and is also widely embedded in public consciousness around the world. The reply to this stance demanding women acquiesce to rapists by changing their dress and behavior, being a case of " don't tell me what not to wear or do - tell men not to rape!"
The implication being that most rapes are carried out by reasonably sane people that think rape is bad. How can that be? How can an otherwise sane, rational and moral person carry out such an heinous act, especially one that they acknowledge to be wrong themselves? The only explanation I can think of(again, barring sociopathy), is that they don't know what they're doing; Or, to rephrase, they know that rape is bad, but don't know exactly what constitutes rape. This is why I think rape prevention education aimed at actors would be (and/or should be) focused on discussing and exploring the cultural ambiguities regarding sex and sexuality we possess as a society.
They dont? Then why are there laws against possessing stolen property?
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Im not so sure about that. Does a person who possesses stolen property stand to be punished, even if they dont know it was stolen?
Of course not.
I agree that its wrong to label all men as potential rapist's but let me tell you, when im walking home in the dark and i see a man anywhere in the area, you bet your bottom dollar that just for a second, i consider how much of a threat he is to me.
They also teach "say no to drugs", "practice safe sex and birth control"....and we all know how far we have progressed. Society itself is rotten. As long as politics and msm continue being depraved like they are nothing will change.
I sympathise to an extent, but what more do you want? Carry a gun if it makes you feel safer. That is what the second amendment is for, self defense. Just be careful not to get paranoid and shoot everyone with the slightest suspicion.
Sorry, replied to the wrong poster initially. Now corrected.edit on 28/9/13 by EarthCitizen07 because: (no reason given)