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Maybe i missed it, but I have not seen anyone say that all men are capable of rape (although, in truth, all people are capable of rape. Capability is not the issue).
oblvion
captaintyinknots
been here from the start. Thanks. No one has said all men rape.
luciddream
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Have you seen read the thread? seems like you read title and jumped to end page.
Go have another look.
I would disagree most rambunctiously, as the line " all men are capable of rape" and " all men should be taught not to rape" have been thrown around the entire time.
When both are complete idiocy.
Now I know you are just being argumentative, as I have walked through compton many times and not had a single issue. In fact, parts of compton are becoming quite nice.
oblvion
eletheia
EarthCitizen07
reply to post by eletheia
Being at the wrong place at the wrong time is not bad luck?
Obviously its also criminal. Its a felony!
'Who' decides which is the place and time that I am in is wrong??
Ideally I should be able to go any where at any time!!? I don't have a probation
order on me restricting my movements
The criminal attacker silly, like you don't understand that already?
Are you being obtuse on purpose here?
The attacker decides, your in a long dark alley, and thinks he can get away with the attack.
This is not rocket science.
I guess I should be able to walk my white butt down the middle of east Compton without worrying about getting attacked also, but this is not reality.
In fact, the police who saw my walking down the road would pick me up and likely say something along the lines of "are you trying to get your dumb ass killed?".
They would not say " you can walk anywhere you want any time you want", they would ask me how stupid I was for thinking I would not get killed.
You don't see how certain behaviors put people at more or less risk of being victims here? Your kidding right?
TKDRL
reply to post by CornShucker
I am like a really big kid. I love family get-togethers, I will be the big scary dude, right in the middle of the snowball fight/waterfight with the kids, while most of the grownups are being boring and watching TV
It is who I am, and gets me a lot of sideways funny looks. I am also a photography guy, always snapping pictures everywhere, gets me some more funny looks, and sometimes confrontations. It is sad, man playing with the kids or snapping pictures in public garners a lot of suspicion from people these days. Bad apples seriously diminish regular people's joy in life.
captaintyinknots
Fair enough, and I dont disagree. Again, though, my issue is with those in this thread who have flat out said "sometimes women do ask for it". That is a direct quote from this thread.
Responsibility falls on all parties. It is still never the fault of the victim, however.
Thats called victim blame. And you are wrong. They are responsible for being in the situation, but the only person at fault is the attacker. Again, no ifs, ands or buts.
Yes it is PARTLY the fault of the victim if they do things they shouldn't be doing.
Maybe not always from a legal perspective, but at least from a moral perspective.
You are correct, I will never agree with someone who defends a rapist.
This is the part me, you and others will APPARENTLY never agree on. So be it!
I have no respect for anyone who thinks there is any situation where it is ok to rape. Period. And Ill be as rude as I like while calling such vile people out. If you think Ive crossed any lines, feel free to report me.
At least learn to respect other peoples opinions and be less rude about it in the future. Thats all I can ask.
captaintyinknots
You are correct, I will never agree with someone who defends a rapist.
Bull. If you are giving a reason that the victim is AT FAULT, you are then saying that the perpetrator is, at least in part, not at fault. It cant be both ways. Therefore, you are defending a rapists.
EarthCitizen07
captaintyinknots
You are correct, I will never agree with someone who defends a rapist.
Its not about defending rape.
Its about using common sense and avoiding trouble.
I remember the last time I got into automobile accident, the cops showed up on the site, they asked for drivers license, registration, insurance, and then proceeded to determine whom was most at fault. He assigned 70-30 blame on him, but my insurance premium still went up and I was still at blame.
You dont? You dont understand how if a person forces themself onto another person, its ALL THEIR FAULT, regardless of the situation that led to it? How is that possible? If one person is trying to leave the situation, and another forces them to stay in it and forced sex, how is it anything BUT the person who forced its fault? How is the person trying to leave the situation at fault in any way?
I dont see why rape has to be 100% one persons fault either. Sure sometimes it is black and white, sometimes it is not. The judge or jury determine verdicts and pass sentences once they review the case properly.
all that is nessecary for discussion is the knowledge that " teach men not to rape " is being forawrded as a solution to rape
Sure they do. Care to show me one single example of a state that has laws that say a rape victim is partially at fault? Whats that? You cant?
Pretty sure rape laws vary from state to state, and much more from country to country.
What catch phrases are those? Things like victim blame? What would you have me call it when you claim a victim is at fault? Theres no other term.
Your "arguments" are repetitive and boring, clinging to catch phrases to sensationalise.
TKDRL
Seems like all of the discourse in the thread is a language issue really. A vast majority of men are strongly against rape, so saying the "generally, men rape" is obviously gonna ruffle some feathers. I don't think it is on purpose though, for most people. They are just not understanding how those words can impact us. If someone said, "generally, men are pedophiles", I wonder how different the response would be?
I was falsely accused of rape, and it cost me a boatload of money to keep my freedom, and clear my good name. It does happen, luckily though, it seems to be in the vast minority, just like rape is. I was unlucky enough to pick one of the psycho women that do such things.
TKDRL
reply to post by taoistguy
Well, I do share in some of that responsibility. Afterall, I was young and inexperienced, and jumped into a relationship way too soon after meeting her. Had I waited on it, I think I would have realized she was straight up bad news and not got involved with her in the first place.
captaintyinknots
Bull. If you are giving a reason that the victim is AT FAULT, you are then saying that the perpetrator is, at least in part, not at fault. It cant be both ways. Therefore, you are defending a rapists.
EarthCitizen07
captaintyinknots
You are correct, I will never agree with someone who defends a rapist.
Its not about defending rape.
Its about using common sense and avoiding trouble.
Do you understand this? I feel like you dont.
LightOrange
captaintyinknots
Bull. If you are giving a reason that the victim is AT FAULT, you are then saying that the perpetrator is, at least in part, not at fault. It cant be both ways. Therefore, you are defending a rapists.
EarthCitizen07
captaintyinknots
You are correct, I will never agree with someone who defends a rapist.
Its not about defending rape.
Its about using common sense and avoiding trouble.
Do you understand this? I feel like you dont.
I feel like you unerstand it the least.
If a store owner closes the store for the night, leaves the money in the till, leaves the door unlocked, and puts the till on the sidewalk, is he/she not at least the tiniest bit at blame for when he/she inevitably gets robbed? Would anyone who calls him/her stupid be a "victim blamer"?
And does it make the theif less of a theif? No, it doesn't. The theif is still 100% theif and the victim is still a moron.
Obviously this isn't the case with a large number of rapes, I'm just trying to outline that what you're presenting as "sound logic" really doesn't make a lick of sense.edit on 30-9-2013 by LightOrange because: (no reason given)
captaintyinknots
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
Sure they do. Care to show me one single example of a state that has laws that say a rape victim is partially at fault? Whats that? You cant?
Pretty sure rape laws vary from state to state, and much more from country to country.
Again, irrelevant.