First, let me apologize in advance for some of my shortcomings in the very specific science that is associated with evolution. I am not a grad student
at the top of my class in biological science but I do possess a very healthy knowledge of the subject matter.
Very simply, what I would like to know is if anyone here on ATS that is promoting evolution as the means for which the human species is in existence
on this planet knows the mathematical odds of that happening. Further, if they do have those statistics, do they further understand the mathematical
odds that would be necessary for the creation of our universe through the big bang and subsequently responsible for the physics necessary for life to
even be possible to evolve.
Entropy is tricky, how exactly do those who insist on the big bang and evolution explain away the impossible numbers that the math seems to dictate
happened to achieve those scenarios?
It's stuff like this video that gets your mind going, well that and things like faith and the appreciation of life that only comes from spiritual
awareness but that in and of itself is subjective and only relative to those who experience it and thus can not be used as merited evidence.
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The truth is out there. The mathematical odds against us are almost infinite to our current understanding. Just the fact that we all (as cultural
groups) believe in a higher power that put us into existence is proof enough to me that earth and its inhabitants are not some kind of statistical
odd. Someone or something made this planet what it is, and I believe they are still here in some form or another, watching us progress through time
Truth be told, in my personal opinion, I find the theory of evolution an affront to my common sense but I understand that not everyone shares my views
and rather than get upset about that or sit myself on a soapbox to preach why they are wrong, I am more interested to understand why it is they
believe what they believe.
You never know, if at the end of the day, it turns out it makes more sense to me than the conclusion I have reached, well....... My mind is far from
closed but my convictions on what we are and how that came to be are quite strong.
My feelings do not come by any means through blind faith or from ancient scripture, my views mainly come from science itself. My reference to a
"Creator" is not limited to a Christian God or any other denomination of religion. I simply mean to state that I believe in a creator, in the basic
meaning of the word. I don't believe something as complex and mathematically impossible such as the universe that we live in is possible as governed
by science as a rational explanation for human life and consciousness spontaneously appearing for no specific reason.
Edited to say: I should be completely honest and say that I am an ordained lutheran minister and have done missionary work through the years and I do
believe in Jesus but I have also been a bartender my whole life, a realist and a man of science and my stance on this subject has nothing to do with
my Christian views but I would be amiss of my values if I did not disclose this information. I hate disclosing my personal religion on ATS but It
needed to be said here for credibility reasons.
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Darwin tried to prove that a Creator existed by
showing the unseen forces behind natural selection.
It is amazing to me that the thesis developed by Charles
Darwin to show that there is in fact a logical system
behind speciation has somehow generated so much friction.
Has anyone ever actually read Darwin's Origin of the Species?
He spends a great deal of energy in the book arguing about the
difference between two brothers. But instead of following up on
that and developing our own modern tests, documenting the lives of
our own siblings and building up a table of useful data to examine, the
so-called evolutionists are always ranting against creationist. Amazing.
Not just amazing. Hilarious. So much energy wasted, so many people who
think they are enlightened when they are the victim of propaganda and manipulation.
My favorite overlooked fact is that Darwin never said that Man was descended from monkeys, but that they may have had a common ancestor. But
don't try to tell that to a fan of The Gorillaz. They will get that look in their eyes that says "we must kill it before it breeds."
I see mathematical statistical anomalies in everything. The same laws that govern the immense are represented in the tiny, that is, until you get to
the sub atomic level and delve into quantum mechanics.
Realistically, I graduated with fire science degree and my last math class was trig in which I scored a solid C- and I will be honest, the equations
escape me. With that said, I do understand fundamental and implied mathematics and that includes probability those numbers by any standards directly
point to us not existing left to natural methods.
Evolution certainly does happen, but it has some serious flaws when it comes to explaining why we are what we are, in my opinion.
My guess is something got started on this planet, and then someone came along and dabbled with the genetics, and we are the result.
I agree, most people don't realize that Darwin never said there was no "God" and in point of fact he never even championed the idea of what most
people associate with evolution. Darwin was responsible for the idea of survival of the fittest as a means of what I would call secondary evolution
and in my opinion, he was largely correct in his work.
I mirror your opinion in many ways. It is obvious to me that many species on Earth will adapt and over time change to better deal with their
environment or obtain breeding advantages but that is a very different thing than saying human life, consciousness and the origin of the universe came
into being through a spontaneous mathematical anomaly.
In that link I posted the author using the sacred cubit ,the 360% circle and the 360 sacred year formulate the diameter of the earth moon and
sun as well as their circumference and the miles from earth to the moon and sun .He also shows that these numbers are imbedded into the math of the
great pyramid in Egypt .The math is spot on and its where Newton got the math to create his thrums from ....peace
The whole evolution v creation debate annoys me. Why do we always have to pick a side? Seems to me if any malevolent or negative force exists they
obviously use divide and conquer as a means to their end.
They have certainly polarised people on this issue.
Why cant we have been created to evolve ?, put simply we have in fact been created as it says in the bible but as time marches on we are evolving as
Compare us now to say 2000 years ago in Rome for example. Genetically we are much the same, but on a mental level we seem to know so much more, this
learning curve we are on is not accidental.
It is impossible to know whether we are the descendants from an ancient species without analysing dna, the fact that we can do that now means we have
evolved somewhat from our ancestors in Rome who could not do that.
Darwin proposed that future researchers study the fossil records for evidence of evolution. The fossil record strongly indicates that the major kinds
of plants and animals appear and disappear abruptly and do not evolve into other kinds, even over aeons of time. There is no evidence of gradual
change between species. The evidence of the fossil record strongly supports creationism.
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the statistical probability of an event or events that have happened is irrelevant
Looking backwards at statistical probabilities gives a distorted view anyway.
What's the statistical probability, that during a particular season, a particular grain of pollen (of what must be many millions if not billions of
other grains produced by the one plant), from a particular anther, on a particular flower, on a particular plant will land on a particular stigma of a
different particular flower of a different particular plant (of the same genus), quite some distance away?
The odds must be mind-boggling. But it happens. All the time.
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By the very fact that an occurrence even has odds means that, by definition, it could happen – otherwise it would be impossible. Even an event with
odds of Xbillions:1 has a chance of happening in 1 in every Xbillions of opportunities, on average.
I would say the odds of a sadistic and bored magician deciding one day to make a realm for a fight to the death of his created species would be zero.
I have a degree in Maths, the closest thing I know o is the Drake equation N = R* • fp • ne • fl • fi • fc • L and updated version:
Basically, there's trillions and trillions of planets out there that can support life - so the chances are there's several million where life will
have evolved and a few thousand where civilizations will have.
Interestingly, as the science advances, the parameters where evolution can occur increase so the number of planets where evolution occurs/occured/will
occur grows bigger almost by the day.
Just...no. You can't consider just one planet when you're estimating the chances of it occuring on one planet in the entire Universe.
Yes the chances of life happening on a single planet are small but there are at least 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets in the space we can
observe, which makes it occurring on at least one of them a mathematical certainty.
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