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posted on Sep, 25 2013 @ 10:44 PM
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Well just remind them as they receive their little free medical cards, that their copays are going up and they will pay for it at the grocery store, the auto repair shop and any where they go to spend that dwindling check they used to consider sub-poverty, which is soon to either be gone all together or not enough to keep the lights on.

They will do the bottle neck method, start at the top and make their way down.




posted on Sep, 25 2013 @ 10:44 PM
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Adding a footnote to the Good News... The Funds that have been being collect by the IRS to cover enforcement has come up $67,000,000.00 short and they have no idea where it went.

Earlier than Predicted... Dipping into to the Cookie gar.



posted on Sep, 25 2013 @ 10:48 PM
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Perhaps we should ask the 7 contracting companies that will be managing the mandated part of the insurance how much they go from the government in their bids. he, he,



posted on Sep, 25 2013 @ 10:51 PM
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Again sadly the only choice for the very poor is Medicaid and they be lucky if their states will expand it to begin with as the Supreme court sided with the states and the Obamacrap on that.

That is more tax dollars that will have to be allocated for states that will expand Medicaid, but only for 3 years after that either the states will be bankrupted or will became bankrupted when they had to make out of the cuts on the funding.



posted on Sep, 25 2013 @ 10:57 PM
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Am I reading some of these replies correctly? Pissed that sick people might be able to go to the doctor and you might have to wait an extra few days? That's low. I have rarely ever had an issue scheduling a doctors appointment within a few hours of my call, and more rarely ever had to wait a full day.

There are a lot of things to be mad about with Obamacare, but treating your neighbors and friends shouldn't be one of them.



posted on Sep, 25 2013 @ 11:00 PM
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Yeah they will take it from the frail elderly. They don't need no stinking medications! Just be sure and charge them more than a SSI check, that should do the trick.



posted on Sep, 25 2013 @ 11:01 PM
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Domo1
Am I reading some of these replies correctly? Pissed that sick people might be able to go to the doctor and you might have to wait an extra few days? That's low. I have rarely ever had an issue scheduling a doctors appointment within a few hours of my call, and more rarely ever had to wait a full day.

There are a lot of things to be mad about with Obamacare, but treating your neighbors and friends shouldn't be one of them.



No...the sick poor person goes to the doctors and gets a $2000 bill in the mail...

I go to the doctor and pay 300% more than what I did before....

Those that work a full time job and just make ends meet get lowered to 29 hours per week as a part time job, but hey they got health insurance now who cares they got a 2k co payment...lol



posted on Sep, 25 2013 @ 11:04 PM
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So you know that under Obamacare Medicare will be slash millions of dollars, so yes they are to take from the elderly care and medications to fund part of Obmacrap.

That is a big slap on the face of the elderly in the nation.


Medicare




ObamaCare cuts a half-trillion dollars from Medicare over the next decade. These cuts are unsustainable and will lead to a reduction in the quality of care for seniors who rely on the program to secure access to needed medical services. The cuts in Medicare Advantage will impose steep costs on millions of Medicare beneficiaries, and will fall disproportionately on low income and minority seniors.

Across-The-Board Cuts

Congress has tried many times over the years to control costs in Medicare with across-the-board cuts in Medicare’s payment rates for services, and they’ve always failed. Price controls don’t control the volume of services used by patients, and every time Congress cuts fees, the rising use of services pushes total costs upward despite the per service payment cuts. ObamaCare uses this same flawed strategy of paying health care providers even less money for treatments, even though Medicare payments are already so low that many doctors don’t accept new Medicare patients. The official Medicare actuaries have determined that approximately 15 percent of hospitals will be driven out of business in less than ten years if these cuts go through and called the cuts “clearly unworkable and almost certain to be overridden by Congress.”


obamacarewatch.org...



posted on Sep, 26 2013 @ 12:42 AM
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Domo1
Am I reading some of these replies correctly? Pissed that sick people might be able to go to the doctor and you might have to wait an extra few days? That's low. I have rarely ever had an issue scheduling a doctors appointment within a few hours of my call, and more rarely ever had to wait a full day.

There are a lot of things to be mad about with Obamacare, but treating your neighbors and friends shouldn't be one of them.


No. You didn't read correctly. Or at all it seems. It's the fact your poor neighbor has to spend $5,000 every year before the insurance kicks in a penny, and his premium is about to double in cost.

There are a million other problems with Obamacare not mentioned. Such as a mother of 3 children that works, and the employer only has to offer the woman an affordable plan, and then the woman has to pay for insurance for all 3 of her children out of her pocket, which she can not afford, and if she won't do it she is penelized come tax return time.
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posted on Sep, 26 2013 @ 12:50 AM
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Where is the outrage? How long will these criminals continue to destroy the American way of life? Do these numbers look like anything that resembles a positive future for healthcare or for the working class?


There's no outrage, Honey BoBo or the Swamp People or Gator Boys or maybe the Hosts of Naked and Alone hasn't told them to be worried. All they know is what they've been spoon feed by TPTB on the Boob Tube and YouTube.

They don't look at the product and read the small print or investigate for themselves, that requires Brain Cells not Polluted with Wild Man or Bad Ink.

Wake Up People, Big Pharma and Big Health Insurance Companies have Bought Obama and Pelosi and Reid and Others.



posted on Sep, 26 2013 @ 01:49 AM
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and all the immigrants will get free heath care.
thats so nice.
can You see them paying?



posted on Sep, 26 2013 @ 02:05 AM
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No, they don't pay now, I get phone calls from J C Lincoln and Banner Health hospitals looking for a person that's never had my phone numbers of 12 years, every week. The hospitals are just blocks away.
One of the interesting things about Obamacare I hear is that it prompts people to stay single and just live together or after it goes into effect to divorce, it'll be cheaper on your Bank Account.

The New Federal Wedding Tax: How Obamacare Would Dramatically Penalize Marriage


( Not changing the subject just adding to the discussion )


One bizarre feature of the Senate-passed health care bill is its pervasive bias against marriage. Under the bill, couples would face massive financial penalties if they marry or remain married. Conversely, couples who cohabit without marriage are given highly preferential financial treatment. If the Senate bill becomes law, saying “I do” would cost some couples over $10,000 per year.



The stiff anti-marriage penalties and heavy “cohabitation bonuses” built into the Senate Obamacare bill send a negative social message. In addition, the bill creates large incentives for couples to “game the system,” allowing and encouraging them to reap large financial rewards by living together rather than marrying.

www.heritage.org...


The “easiest” solution would be to avoid the “wedding tax” entirely by getting divorced while still living together.



Instead of facing an exorbitant premium increase once their combined earnings hits $62,041 if they were to stay married, each cohabiting adult can earn up to $45,960 before Obamacare’s “tax credit”-free premiums kick in. Their annual after-tax savings at age 60 if they shack up and keep their individual earnings between $31,021 and $45,960 will range from $7,650 to over $11,000. The annual savings will slightly increase every year until Medicare kicks in at age 65. That kind of money can buy a lot of gifts for the grandkids.

But the grandkids will also face the prospect of seeing their moms and dads divorce because of Obamacare.

pjmedia.com...
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posted on Sep, 26 2013 @ 04:55 AM
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The prices look bad. I expect drugs to go through the roof soon after and drug prices are already 4 times what you'd pay in another country. Just ridiculous. Every state needs to pass laws against this. I would be outraged, however I will not fall into the category of those who are forced into this system.



posted on Sep, 26 2013 @ 05:11 AM
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There should be no individual plans. Everybody should pay the same % from their salary and finito, which would cover everything for everybody, whether they work or not + kids dental care + either discount or free of charge medicines for genetic diseases + certain other diseases . Doctors visits would take a slight visitation fee, more of a symbolic amount like 10 dollars for the first visit - no extra costs for surgeries. No treatment should cost over couple of hundred dollars total by the end, including cancer and other tougher treatments. Just an illness like tonsillitis should cost the price of antibiotics (dunno in USA, lets say 20 dollars) + 10 dollars for visitation fee = total 30 dollars.

That is a system that would work far better as many other advanced countries have proved due to middle men gone - especially the insurance companies.

Currently one of the reasons which also drives the prices up is the regulations. The more individual plans, the more regulations there are, the more people are needed to administrate these, which drives the costs up. Simple works best for the society as a whole when it comes to healthcare, although certain people would lose their profits, but making profit on the expense of others health troubles is simply wrong.

Overally I see Obamacare a step closer towards a system like that. In the current situation in US, it would be impossible to implement such system - one hund there is the individualistic culture, which is stopping it, on the other hand there is the insurance industry. Implementing such system, even though it would be the right decision in the long run, would be political suicide for the Democrats Party, also it would affect the economy a lot, potentially losing hundreds of thousands if not millions of jobs in the insurance companies (do not know the total number of people working there).
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posted on Sep, 26 2013 @ 05:17 AM
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Wrabbit2000
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Last I checked, Missouri law still outlawed any state agency cooperation with the exchanges on any level. I haven't seen the Statehouse change that and as I recall, they kinda laughed when Nixon asked them to. We sure haven't voted on a change, which was the only other provision allowing exception as I recall what I voted on.

So I'm not sure where that leaves us in Missouri. The Roberts Super Court decision says they cannot alter to reduce medicare/medicaid benefits into our state as a result of our lack of cooperation with their scam ..but how that plays out now for real is what the big question has been I think.

We're all about to find out together what happens when push meets shove.


Gotta pass it to find out what's in it.



posted on Sep, 26 2013 @ 05:41 AM
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Take 7 minutes to find out why healthcare in the US is so expensive and why even with the current inept system that leaves thousands to die due to no coverage the US still spends more on healthcare than all those countries with so-called socialised healthcare (i.e. the NHS of the UK).



The problem isn't Obama (who is trying to roll out a system used in most civilised countries) but the corrupt and greedy pharmaceutical companies that make everything 2 or 3 times more expensive than their generic equivalents across the world. America is being shafted, but not by Obama. Time to wake up.



posted on Sep, 26 2013 @ 05:42 AM
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Cabin
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There should be no individual plans. Everybody should pay the same % from their salary and finito, which would cover everything for everybody, whether they work or not + kids dental care + either discount or free of charge medicines for genetic diseases + certain other diseases . Doctors visits would take a slight visitation fee, more of a symbolic amount like 10 dollars for the first visit - no extra costs for surgeries. No treatment should cost over couple of hundred dollars total by the end, including cancer and other tougher treatments. Just an illness like tonsillitis should cost the price of antibiotics (dunno in USA, lets say 20 dollars) + 10 dollars for visitation fee = total 30 dollars.

That is a system that would work far better as many other advanced countries have proved due to middle men gone - especially the insurance companies.

Currently one of the reasons which also drives the prices up is the regulations. The more individual plans, the more regulations there are, the more people are needed to administrate these, which drives the costs up. Simple works best for the society as a whole when it comes to healthcare, although certain people would lose their profits, but making profit on the expense of others health troubles is simply wrong.

Overally I see Obamacare a step closer towards a system like that. In the current situation in US, it would be impossible to implement such system - one hund there is the individualistic culture, which is stopping it, on the other hand there is the insurance industry. Implementing such system, even though it would be the right decision in the long run, would be political suicide for the Democrats Party, also it would affect the economy a lot, potentially losing hundreds of thousands if not millions of jobs in the insurance companies (do not know the total number of people working there).
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So everyone pay 20%? So if I make $30,000 I pay $6000? If I make $30,000,000 I pay $6,000,000?

Might want to rethink that idea.

I am for a single payer system btw.



posted on Sep, 26 2013 @ 05:51 AM
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What is that, averagely, as a percentage of a persons total yearly income?

In the UK we have the National Insurance which covers: Our NHS (obamacare equiv, hospitals/doctors), unemployment benefit and our state pension. This costs us on average 11% of our total income as is not regarded as a tax (tax is another 20%)
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posted on Sep, 26 2013 @ 06:05 AM
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OccamsRazor04

So everyone pay 20%? So if I make $30,000 I pay $6000? If I make $30,000,000 I pay $6,000,000?

Might want to rethink that idea.

I am for a single payer system btw.


I personally pay 8% of my salary, which is more than worth it considering that it covers absolutely everything. I do not have to worry about any health issues causing financial problems (health care bills) for me, whatever these might be.

This year alone, I have done over 30 blood tests + couple of MRIs+ couple of special tests due to having some health issues, been to GP several times (which is has no visitation fee). Couple of years ago had a bad sports injury, which needed a surgery. Got a surgery from a world-class surgeon + rehabilitation program lasting for 3 months ( couple of sessions a week). Total fees for all of that - 10 dollars out of pocket, everything else is covered. Due to playing sports, I often have the need for visiting the emergency room due to some injury, whether concussion or some muscle injury. Again, every visitation costs 5 dollars. My grandfather´s heart surgery cost again a total of 5 dollars out of pocket.

More money does not get you better treatment round here. It can just get you the time immediately, depending on the disease, waiting periods vary. If there is a need for immediate treatment, you get the time immediately, if there is no need, you might have to wait from couple of days to couple of weeks, everything depends on the condition.

As far as I know, every Nordic has somewhat similar system and that is how things should work. Healthcare should be a right, not the privilege of the wealthy.

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posted on Sep, 26 2013 @ 06:11 AM
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What happens to people that can't afford insurance?


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