The Darkside of Obamacare

First of all you have to understand that Obama care has very little if anything to do with actual "Healthcare" and more to do with "Wellness Apathy".

This whole ordeal will end in the great transfer of wealth from this generation into the hands of the global elites, but first we will pass through the living hell of a system which not only seeks to trick people with words like 'Healthcare' which is a political contrast to it's true meaning. The healthcare in this case is diametrically opposite to well being and wholeness, it is rather part of a declining social system which seeks not only transfer of wealth, but in even darker realms a free ride to the death camps for those citizens who are not longer productive or deemed of further use.



To further this quickening agenda we are already witnessing the marginalization of our elderly, infirm, disabled and even our Veterans who served this country to thwart this type of oligarch tyranny and anyone in opposition to the current regime is considered less than patriotic or mentally unstable. For those who are the first to fall, those who have been abused by a broken system of incompetency and lack of conscientious care, over /under medicated, labeled, collectively and systematically undermined medically all in the name of healthcare, they will be and already are the models for future programs. Yet until it affects each individual personally, people will continue to take their medicine as prescribed in the name of healthcare and forget that it is in reality sickness preparation for their wealth redistribution.

Hard to imagine it happening when none of the current economic delusions have hit home, but as this plan continues to erode the very fabric of the once most wealthy countries in the world, it is only a matter of time.

Forget about the "Dark Side" of Obamacare, is there a bright side to it?!

Not from the information that I've seen regarding it.

reply to post by antar


You talk like our current system is wonderful and fully took care of our elderly with spectacular care.

You failed to address how any of this would be the ACA's fault and not the fault of our current system.

After years of his 'evolving views' on healthcare as described in the OP, Obamacare seeks to take from the wealthy 1% and redistribute to the healthcare system for the poorest in the country through as he admitted 'wealth redistribution". Now had we not seen the outsourcing and golden parachutes of American conglomerates and big business over the past decade, that one percent would represent redistribution efforts by the global elites themselves, but in this case the one percent will be the business's who did not play but chose to stay for whatever reasons and are what we know now as the struggling middle class in many instances. Their reward for sticking it out and continuing to create jobs and helping to float the economy is higher taxes, increased insurance premiums and unaffordable healthcare cost for their employee's.

If that was the case, the plan is really to thin the herd, why not simply END health care and let Nature burn off the dead wood that needs meds X, Y, & Z? End vaccines? Easier to simply get a 100% estate tax, declaring that wealth is no longer generational in nature.

BTW what is wrong with actually dying and not prolonging the inevitable? Why is everyone so necrophobic?

If you believe in God, don't you wanna go to Heaven? Isn't the guy in the sky looking out for you? Ole J Starr going to save the day?

Derek

So what can we expect after whatever the US Senate votes regarding Obamacare? The logistics and subsequent foaming at the mouths of the New Insurance regimes, will be the most dangerous part of this Agenda21 style wealth redistribution and health fraud initiative.

Will New Laws in States with Federally Run Health Insurance Marketplaces Hinder Outreach?

This fall, under the Affordable Care Act, there will be new marketplaces in each state where insurance companies will sell private health plans. People without job-based affordable health benefits can go to these new marketplaces either in person, by phone, or on the Internet and choose a health plan.

This means that consumer outreach and enrollment assistance in the marketplaces, also known as exchanges, will be vital to achieving one of the law's core purposes: substantially reducing the number of people without health insurance in the United States. To help with outreach and enrollment, the law requires that every state marketplace establish a "navigator" program to support consumers.

Ok, so this sounds 'helpful' right? Nothing is too good for the American people and their informed choices under this new legislation. But wait...

The Department of Health and Human Services recently released proposed rules that provide additional guidance on standards for the navigator programs, particularly for the 33 states that have decided to allow the federal government to operate their exchange.

What is a navigator? Under the Affordable Care Act, navigators must perform the following key functions:

* conduct public education activities;
*distribute fair and impartial information on health plan enrollment, premium tax credits, and free or low-cost *coverage through Medicaid;
* facilitate enrollment in qualified health plans;
* provide referrals to other consumer assistance organizations or state agencies that address health insurance issues; and
* provide information in a culturally and linguistically appropriate manner.

Again, sounds like "Help is on the Way" however...

Navigators may be self-employed individuals or organizations as diverse as trade, industry, and professional associations, chambers of commerce, and ranching and farming organizations. Each state must include at least one community and consumer-focused nonprofit group as a navigator.

Did that just say Chambers of Commerce? Since when did community mixers become responsible parties in this wealth redistribution, oops I mean healthcare initiative and responsibility? Agenda 21?

Big Agriculture such as the slaughter, meat industries? Really? I never figured they were interested in helping people with affordable healthcare and finding the best program for their needs? And making sure that everyone including non English speaking citizens get the right program for their futures as well with informative and linguistically trained representatives.

So how do these community and commerce based Navigators/Commandant's expect to accomplish all of this without failing the stringent protocols expected of them and to ensure their security against any and all lawsuits for misjudged or inappropriate actions and or advice?

Some requirements may prevent the application of the federal navigator program. A state law that prohibits navigators from offering advice about the benefits, terms, and features of a particular health benefit plan could prevent a navigator from facilitating enrollment and helping individuals make informed decisions, as required under federal law.

For example, would state restrictions prohibit a navigator from "advising" a consumer with HIV about which plans cover certain antiretroviral drugs or "recommending" that a consumer consider plans that includes her providers in its network?

Stringent standards could be a barrier for respected community-based organizations—such as agricultural extension centers, churches, and safety-net health care providers—that want to serve as navigators for underserved communities, including those whose primary language is not English, those who live in remote areas, and the uninsured.

Many of these laws require the state's insurance department to further define navigator requirements in regulations. Because many states have not yet issued regulations, potential navigators may be unable to comply with state requirements ahead of open enrollment in October 2013, potentially leaving a state without a navigator program.

As October 1 approaches, stakeholders are focused on the need to inform and educate millions of consumers who will be eligible for expanded coverage options. While all would agree that navigators must be held to high standards to ensure that consumers are protected, uncertainty remains regarding how state and federal regulators will interpret critical terms such as "advise" and "recommend." This uncertainty could result in confusion and, potentially, litigation to determine whether state navigator requirements are preempted by federal law. To avoid confusion and delays or limits to implementation of effective navigator programs in each state, additional federal guidance on the scope of state-specific navigator requirements could be helpful as stakeholders prepare to help people get needed and affordable coverage.

Since this is ATS and we still have the ability to say it like it is, this whole situation reeks of agenda 21 imho.

I am more than concerned for the baby boomers first, and then for the generations proceeding them, their families and neighborhoods as the Government continues to place them in a vice of control and poverty. Today it is Health, tomorrow it is Food and shelter. One step at a time the Orwellian future continues to look like a reality.


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reply to post by Viesczy


That would be too easy, to fast, to immediate. To take from the poor is easy, to take from the majority of now aging and wealthy is something else. It is not about the poor, it is about the ones with something to take still.

reply to post by AlienScience


Hum, well this is my reply:

reply to post by Viesczy

BTW what is wrong with actually dying and not prolonging the inevitable? Why is everyone so necrophobic?

You may be prophetic and didn't know it, I can see it now...

The progressive's new 'anti-necrophobia' campaign to fight the fear of death, "you're just an ignorant vitist!"

reply to post by Viesczy

BTW what is wrong with actually dying and not prolonging the inevitable? Why is everyone so necrophobic?

Perhaps nothing is *wrong* .....

It's just a matter of who goes first.

Any volunteers ?

The first of the heroic volunteers will be remembered in martyrdom forever !!

The Bottom Line to Obamacare is not the political rhetoric, save the children, transfer wealth to the elite, tax the 1%. The Bottom Line is what it is going to actually DO to you.

In my case I got the news just a couple of days ago. I am perfectly content with my insurance system. It works well for me, covers me in times of need, etc., but because of Obamacare my premium per month will

DOUBLE, and my wife's will increase by 39%.

That's what Obamacare is going to do to me, personally, in 2014.

Thanks, Obama. How compassionate of you.

Viesczy
If that was the case, the plan is really to thin the herd, why not simply END health care and let Nature burn off the dead wood that needs meds X, Y, & Z?

Well...they first have to sort out the ones on meds X, Y, & Z that are crucial to keeping the economic wheels turning. Those they will keep alive, and the Doc will give 'em their meds - X, Y and even Z. The others can die.

Of course, when those that keep the economic wheels turning can no longer assist, then they can be removed from the supplemental medications list and die with the others.

(note to self - gotta keep that wheel turning or Doc won't gimme my med X)

reply to post by schuyler


Yep, pretty sure I covered that aspect in this thread somewhere, I heard on some video link or read today about a large church organization which employs alot of people, with the new legislation, the wives of the employees will no longer be covered! and that each employee will be receiving a 2% raise but even with that it will not cover what the new cost will be. I am so sorry my friend, your story is very concerning.

This is a push to make medicine pay the debts of a government out of control.

Its a good thing, a real good thing they did that, a very good thing.

Right everyone?

The Twilight Zone S03E08 It #39;s A Good Life Part 3
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reply to post by antar


Our country does that a lot - it uses labels that are contradictory to the intended purpose of the bills because people usually don't have the skills to check for themselves what is in there. Obamacare seems super complicated - The Patriot Act was less complicated.

So... all I know is that handing health care over to the government sure seems like it is going to result in a lot of bureaucracy, and more than likely some kind of affordable care that punishes people for unhealthy habits -

Interesting, by itself.

One Very Important point to make here for those of us who have Medical coverage for the poor.

The time has come when it is getting herder to find quality caregivers who will accept medical coverage. And if you chose to go to one of the Doctors who do not carry Gov medical coverage, they will not take you even if you want to pay through cash.

We are on the fast track to be designated as to who will cover us in our healthcare needs. Our choices are being limited more each day and the choices we do have are part of this new social system. These Doctors tend to marginalize us, and treat patients with the latest drugs that the Pharmaceutical companies are pushing as if we are lab rats.

The new laws Doctors of this caliper have to comply with and are designated specifically to the poor and or needy without exceptions. There are new protocols for logging information on each patient which definitely infringe upon our personal lives and habits.

The great divide is part of this plan and the first to be implemented on the poor and needy first as a testing ground for the eventual treatment of all classes under this controlling regime.

For now the middle class can turn their heads as this program moves forward for the poor and indigent, but eventually it will have consequences that those responsible for their own healthcare insurance will also have to experience and possibly live through. It reads like a set up for a horror movie where the Gov. uses people much like the Nazis used the Jews and as long as it did not affect you personally you chose to turn your heads and wait for better days that most assuredly will not come, except for you and your family.

There is no telling how this will go, but we all have a deep seated feeling it is not going to bode well for the poor and needy.

reply to post by Viesczy

BTW what is wrong with actually dying and not prolonging the inevitable? Why is everyone so necrophobic?

I don't know, be my guest.

a reply to: antar

I am reviving this thread with current and relevant information to add:

www.judicialwatch.org...
HHS VIOLATES ACORN FUNDING BAN TO PAY OBAMACARE NAVIGATORS
"Despite a 5-year-old congressional ban on federal funding for the notably corrupt Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), Judicial Watch has obtained documents that show a chunk of taxpayer money went to an affiliate serving as an Obamacare “navigator.”

"The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) violated the ACORN funding ban by awarding a Louisiana nonprofit called Southern United Neighborhoods (SUN) a $1.3 million Obamacare navigator grant to recruit customers for the president’s disastrous healthcare law and help them “navigate” the complicated insurance exchanges.

"Headquartered in New Orleans, SUN is dedicated to combating poverty, discrimination and community deterioration that keep low-income people from taking advantage of their rights and opportunities, according to its website.

"The group shares its address—and government grants—with another like-minded nonprofit called United Labor Unions Council Local 100, established by Wade Rathke, the radical left-wing community organizer that also founded ACORN. It’s not clear in the documents obtained by JW how much of the $1.3 million HHS grant actually went to Rathke’s local, which is one of SUN’s four partner organizations, but the point remains that the group is an ACORN successor specifically prevented by federal law from receiving taxpayer dollars."