This is what an amateur President looks like..!

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

You had your side issue moment to derail.

What I consider more derailing is your condescending tone toward a legitimate issue questioning the integrity of your original post.

reply to post by MysteriousHusky


I'll ask a second time. Please stop derailng the thread with the side issue of race where the topic is the policy speech given by the US President at the United Nations, this morning.

It would be very much appreciated. If race baiting was purely unintentional, then dropping that side issue entirely should be no problem whatsoever, correct?

Thanks again.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Please stop derailng the thread with the side issue of race where the topic is the policy speech given by the US President at the United Nations, this morning.

I encourage you next time then to include what you wrote above in the name of your thread versus "This is what an amateur President looks like..!"

In the interest of continuing discussion related to the speech, I will stand down and encourage others to do so.

So the guy from Canada comes in to defend Obama?

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury...I rest my case.

reply to post by whyamIhere


An outside view is better isn't it? when each and every person is so full of partisanship.

luciddream
reply to post by ActuallyActuary

 

Another ignorant generalization of "minorities".. Assuming they want "free stuff", they probably paying higher tax then you are, probably more educated.

Again you are looking at all minorities as the same.

yup your the white devil alright.

edit on 9/24/2013 by luciddream because: (no reason given)

It was your earlier comment that lumped all minorities together as opposed to Whites, I merely continued with your assumption. Generalization is a valid scientific method, also called abstraction. Average minority representative is a lot more likely to be a parasite then average White - sorry if it hurts your feelings.
As of size of ones' taxes - we are not going to compete, are we? And no comparing of anatomical differences

luciddream
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

An outside view is better isn't it? when each and every person is so full of partisanship.

It can be valid no doubt.

However, the OP is certainly entitled to his opinion.

luciddream
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Probably 1/3 of the republican party hates him purely based on his skin colour, and they are not even afraid to admit it, even on TV!

To them it doesn't matter if he is 50% white, he is black to them.

Actually he is black to most of the people thus, "first black" president.

What!? Please back that up with a link to some source or it will be considered a lie. Thank you.

"Probably 2/3 of the democrat party loves him purely based on his skin colour, and they are not even afraid to admit it, even on TV!" --- Fixed it for you.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


My concerns with the latest Syrian developments and the U.N. speech:

1. He is arguing his case with the U.N., not the U.S. congress.
2. There is no conclusive evidence that the chemical weapons were launched by the Syrian government rather than the terrorists.
3. And even if there was such evidence, Syria is not a party to the treaty that bans chemical weapons.
4. And even if they were a signatory, this seems more like a civil war, not a conflict that affects U.S. interests.
5. Obama recently waived the anti-terrorism laws to continue sending arms to the Syrian terrorist.
6. The Syrian government has already provided a list of chemical weapons to the U.N. and is cooperating in the investigation, registration, and relinquishment of control.

reply to post by ActuallyActuary


Hmm? so wait. If i take all the white population and average their house income, and if i take all Asian population living in USA and their house income?

you are saying Asian would be more likely in the parasite section of the chart?

Hmm interesting.

ENOUGH!!!!!

Please post to the topic of this thread.....that mean NO MORE BICKERING!!!!!
No more political trolling!!!!!

Go After the Ball, Not the Player!

We expect civility and decorum within all topics.

You are responsible for your own posts.

Reaffirming Our Desire For Productive Political Debate (REVISED)

reply to post by Bassago


Its a given republicans are racist and democrats are socialist.

Wrabbit2000
reply to post by MysteriousHusky

 

I'll ask a second time. Please stop derailng the thread with the side issue of race where the topic is the policy speech given by the US President at the United Nations, this morning.

It would be very much appreciated. If race baiting was purely unintentional, then dropping that side issue entirely should be no problem whatsoever, correct?

Thanks again.

Not worth is
Wrabbit2000, My Friend, you're correct and let's leave it at that. Some people can't listen to reason.

Ladies and Gentlemen, can we please stop talking about skin colour and honour the request relating to the OP.

When it comes to political rivalry, speeches can often convey hints as to a President's future objectives.

Together, we have also worked to end a decade of war. Five years ago, nearly 180,000 Americans were serving in harm’s way, and the war in Iraq was the dominant issue in our relationship with the rest of the world. Today, all of our troops have left Iraq. Next year, an international coalition will end its war in Afghanistan, having achieved its mission of dismantling the core of al Qaeda that attacked us on 9/11.

What is the role of the United Nations, and international law, in meeting cries for justice?

What is the role of the United States?

Ultimately, this is the international community that America seeks – one where nations do not covet the land or resources of other nations, but one in which we carry out the founding purpose of this institution. A world in which the rules established out of the horrors of war can help us resolve conflicts peacefully, and prevent the kind of wars that our forefathers fought.

Did the U.S. not covet oil in its race to become a superpower?

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*Quotes taken from UN Speech

reply to post by MysteriousHusky


Are you changing sides? The UN speech quotes you posted are playing to OP advantage, showing how inept and humble our President is.

reply to post by ActuallyActuary


Would you rather have another go at it and derail the thread? lol

Democrats criticize both sides unlike the other party.

reply to post by AnonymousCitizen


Thank you for putting that into words better than I have. In particular, it's #1 I have the largest issue with as we see it play out.

I can never forget Obama was, and is at heart, an activist attorney and community organizer. That's not necessarily an evil or bad thing...but some professions just aren't well suited to cross over talents, could be a better way to state it.

In community organizing? Well, direct face to face confrontation was and is the whole goal and point. You're representing people the system deliberately chooses not to care about, so it takes what Occupy termed 'direct action outreach' to get the job done. Fine... Well...and good. As far as it went in South Chicago. I'll bet he was even pretty good at it, for the context and location.

Your #1 point is what he's doing on everything. If the Budget is in crisis? Does he force Congress into session, as is his power as President? Nope... Past Presidents have. He won't do it. He goes on a nation-wide campaign effort and fund raiding (errr..I mean raising) tour to rally the public ...because it's never about the issue at hand, but strategic positioning and long term planning to the next election outcome. In that way, I suppose he isn't an Amateur.

However, that isn't what this nation elected. What his actual job is? Well....Experience is obviously not important, and failure to absorb on the job training after 5 years is overlooked by plenty. I just wish he didn't choose the UN as a true world stage to prove that on. Not like this....

.....and Rome burns in the background.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


The community organizing background, if it checks out, played to President Obama's favour with the backlash to how Hurricane Katrina was handled. Like a pendulum swinging back and forth, both parties represent the same vision of government through different players. What Obama's recent speech indicates is an aspect of unity - true or false you decide, that seems to mend that schism for a global audience to still have faith in the United States of America.



P.S. No hard feelings about earlier. While we may have different beliefs I respect your opinion and I am curious about your opinion on this post.

reply to post by MysteriousHusky


Oh, no hard feelings and no harm done. I'm glad you feel the same.

I think you're right that in some ways, his background is a benefit. Just not in the context he's in for the United Nations. Much like Clinton was and really, a couple far more notable ones before him like FDR, you sometimes couldn't ask for more in domestic policies.

To be really fair...He's been a major positive force in the eyes of some segments in our population that have traditionally felt underrepresented ..to say the very least. What I feel about that personally, isn't relevant...since I'm not directly impacted either way and in that way? Obama has brought light into a number of lives.... That's being fair to both sides.

By the same token, he's been absolutely horrible at foreign policy and as much an amateur as we've seen since Carter. He opened his Presidency by showing passive subservience, for goodness sakes. The first US President to ever bow to a foreign leader. He's now done it enough times to enough different ones to make any of those first lame excuses his people put forward....embarrassing to have said.

I know these days, things like protocol for it's own sake isn't taken as seriously by the public as it once was and the pomp/circumstance seen in some functions is almost comedy....but taken real seriously for subtle meanings by the other leaders who live in that same world.

Carter wasn't a random thought for a comparison as it's come up before and fits pretty well. Even Carters best intentions ended up in failure as much as not, and on the worst things, too. Obama may be full of good intentions (or not... opinions vary on that) for his motives, but he's trying to sing Kumbaya to a world his NSA has basically raped for years to steal every intimate thought and idea from ...and he's being laughed at. Not openly..but sure as anything, by deed and policy, other nations are mocking the man, regularly.

Whatever past Presidents of either party have been or have done......being mocked like a goof isn't among the problems they've had. Not outside comedy skits on late night shows, anyway.

** I do want to note... This isn't partisan for me at this point and hasn't been for quite some time now. I have absolutely NO more love for Boehner, Cruz, Rubio or any of the other names on the right. Some, like Obama, are personally above the rest for position and ability to do damage by mistakes and misadventure, and that makes him a valid issue beyond the herd of cats we call Congress, for example.

Do people really still think that Obama is calling his own shots? I think not.

He is doing what the people with money tell him to do. After all, they are the ones who brought him from being a nobody community organizer, to a Senator, to the President in 8 short years.

At this point, I don't think there is any way to reset the system. It has to implode on itself one day. Until then, i refuse to take part in any of the dog and pony shows that are US elections.