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EarthCitizen07
Daedalus
i had mentioned in another post that the police are not legally responsible for protecting us....that is a very significant point.
there is absolutely nothing wrong with a person wanting to accept the responsibility for defending themselves...whether it's against a wild bear, or an unstable human being...people have a right to defend themselves, using whatever tool they deem appropriate at the time.
the second amendment has nothing to do with hunting.
And this is precisely where the american school of thought comes in. Its not good enough to trust the police to save you, therefore its a good idea for people to take the law into their own hands.
I mean there is some hypocrisy here. Why do we have multiple layers of police(township, country sheriff, state, fbi) if they are not even legally responsible for protecting the population? Why do we pay them with our tax money?
In most countries its taken for granted that police take care of security, and people own guns as a hobby such as hunting and target practice. They can also use their gun for home defense if need be.
I support the second amendment and see a deeper reason for it. To protect against tyranny, just like the tyranny of nazis, commies, muslim brotherhood, space aliens, american government consisting of LYING DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, etc. Sooner or later something bad tends to happen and owning a gun helps you.edit on 25/9/13 by EarthCitizen07 because: (no reason given)
CarlJung
Okay try this:
www.theguardian.com...
'Guns do not make a nation safer, say US doctors who have compared the rate of firearms-related deaths in countries where many people own guns with the death rate in countries where gun ownership is rare.'
'Their findngs, published Wednesday in the prestigious American Journal of Medicine, debunk the historic belief among many people in the United States that guns make a country safer, they say. On the contrary, the US, with the most guns per head in the world, has the highest rate of deaths from firearms, while Japan, which has the lowest rate of gun ownership, has the least.'
takaris7
reply to post by greencmp
yes for some reason I contiunally see the product of accidental death by firearm.
Nearly 800 children under 14 were killed in gun accidents from 1999 to 2010, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Nearly one in five injury-related deaths in children and adolescents involve firearms.
Although mass shootings get more attention, children are far more likely to be killed at home.
Through homicide, suicide and accidents, guns cause twice as many deaths in young people as cancer, five times as many as heart disease and 15 times as many as infections, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics.
PhoenixOD
reply to post by Daedalus
Im discussing facts here while you seems to be trying any and every way to win an argument, its clear you are the one with an agenda.
Guns a facilitate the easy killing of many people at a distance. Sure there would still be violence as your country is known for that, but its much harder to injurer 5-6 people with a drive by stabbing. Or maybe stab half a school full of children or stab up an entire theater.
edit on 25-9-2013 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)
Daedalus
takaris7
reply to post by greencmp
yes for some reason I contiunally see the product of accidental death by firearm.
Nearly 800 children under 14 were killed in gun accidents from 1999 to 2010, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Nearly one in five injury-related deaths in children and adolescents involve firearms.
Although mass shootings get more attention, children are far more likely to be killed at home.
Through homicide, suicide and accidents, guns cause twice as many deaths in young people as cancer, five times as many as heart disease and 15 times as many as infections, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics.
ok, and what are the stats for adults?....why just mention children, unless it's a plea to emotion?
and what about the thing that kills more people and adults.....it's another wonderful invention of ours, and like a gun, it also doesn't operate without someone controlling it.....it's called a car...
i always find it amazing that people go on, and on, and on about how many accidental deaths, and suicides, and murders are done with guns, but the NEVER wanna talk about all the accidental deaths, suicides, and murders that are done with cars.....i mean, the ones with cars are FAR more numerous...surely, the cars must be the more serious threat to our citizens, and our nation's children...
lets ban cars....somebody think of the children..
OpenMindedRealist
reply to post by Beavers
Ad hominem attacks are the weapons of the weak-minded.
it is possible, and it's not limited to just my country. the only agenda i have is to try to get ignorant people like yourself, to stop trying to tell us that we shouldn't have a right to defend ourselves in the best way we can, just because you're afraid of personal responsibility.
t Prof Charles Branas and his colleagues at the University of Pennsylvania examined in their 2009 paper investigating the link between gun possession and gun assault. They compared 677 cases in which people were injured in a shooting incident with 684 people living in the same area that had not suffered a gun injury. The researchers matched these "controls" for age, race and gender. They found that those with firearms were about 4.5 times more likely to be shot than those who did not carry, utterly belying this oft repeated mantra.
Beavers
reply to post by elevatedone
Sorry! I'll try to steer clear of this thread.
I just can't understand why anyone would want their kids to be 14600 times more likely to be shot at and (naturally?) reacted badly.
I sometimes forget how much of a sick world we live in and can't help but get angry at those who genuinely want to make it stay that way!
peace x
Your 400 times more likely to die from drug use,,,, hmmm.
We better make heroin illegal!!!! Oh, wait,,
PhoenixOD
reply to post by Hoosierdaddy71
Your 400 times more likely to die from drug use,,,, hmmm.
We better make heroin illegal!!!! Oh, wait,,
How many drive by overdoses have you heard of?
edit on 25-9-2013 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)
Hoosierdaddy71
PhoenixOD
reply to post by Hoosierdaddy71
Your 400 times more likely to die from drug use,,,, hmmm.
We better make heroin illegal!!!! Oh, wait,,
How many drive by overdoses have you heard of?
edit on 25-9-2013 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)
The point is chances of dying not intent.
Lets take away gang related gun violence and run the numbers again.