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They found that a country like Luxenbourg, which bans all guns has a murder rate that is 9 times higher than Germany, where there are 30,000 guns per 100,000 people. They also cited a study by the U.S.National Academy of Sciences, which studied 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications, and it failed to find one gun control initiative that worked.
Russia has a ban on hand guns and their murder rate is 30.6%, whereas in the United States the rate is a much lower 7.8%. And during the 1990s, gun ownership grew significantly in the United States, while violent crimes dropped by 30%. In England, after they banned handguns, the rate of violent crimes soared.
The average annual 1993-98 violent crime rate in urban areas was about 74% higher than the rural rate and 37% higher than the suburban rate.
Urban males experienced violent victimizations at rates 64% higher than the average combined suburban and rural male rate and 47% higher than urban females.
Although most violent crimes in urban (60%), suburban (68%), and rural (70%) areas were committed without a weapon, firearm usage in the commission of a violent crime was higher in urban areas when compared to suburban or rural areas (12% urban versus 9% suburban and 8% rural).
Between 1993 and 1998, 19 in 20 suburban and rural households owned motor vehicles; however, in suburban households the theft of motor vehicles (13 per 1,000 households) was twice the rural rate (6 per 1,000 households) during this period.
Property crimes were generally completed at higher rates against urban households than against suburban or rural households.
Urban violent crime victims were more likely than suburban or rural crime victims to be victimized by a stranger (respectively, 53%, 47%, and 34% of violent crime victims).
Gun's sole purpose is to make it easier to kill things.
Beavers
reply to post by TinkerHaus
Gun's sole purpose is to make it easier to kill things.
Have a google of how many kids were killed by guns in the UK and Australia in the last 10 years, then compare that to the US. Sad eh?
Sure in those countries, people get drunk and fight too, it's still a crime and it goes on those stats, but there are no funerals after.
You'll probably never understand what those UK and Australians are trying to make you see tho, because deep down you'd rather scour the net for questionable statistics that make you sound right than not have your own way. You like guns more than you care about dead kids and you've not only conditioned yourself into thinking this doesn't make you ever so slightly evil, but you're even trying to persuade others into thinking like you!
I don't care how safe guns make your home, how much of a man carrying one makes you feel or what you think your rights are, dead kids are never going to be cool and for every responsible gun user, there's 100 normal people who lose their temper and use them in anger.
Nothing personal, I just don't dig on making it easier for stupid people to kill others and think anyone who doesn't realise this is too stupid to be given a gun
luciddream
reply to post by greencmp
Before i start, im all for gun protection at home(from invaders)..
So should Good Muslims in the middle eat put a suicide vest on themselves to stop the bad Muslims from using it? I mean the bad Muslims would fear the good Muslims and they won't blow up.
I think the gun people are expecting a hero scenario where they would leap into action and save the day!
These criminals do not just come out of a nowhere expects around people not to be armed, they probably knew the risk associated with robbing someone.
Don't forget, the theater shooter was a person you were defending before he went on a rampage. Who else are you defending?
luciddream
reply to post by greencmp
Before i start, im all for gun protection at home(from invaders)..
So should Good Muslims in the middle eat put a suicide vest on themselves to stop the bad Muslims from using it? I mean the bad Muslims would fear the good Muslims and they won't blow up.
I think the gun people are expecting a hero scenario where they would leap into action and save the day!
These criminals do not just come out of a nowhere expects around people not to be armed, they probably knew the risk associated with robbing someone.
Don't forget, the theater shooter was a person you were defending before he went on a rampage. Who else are you defending?
Beavers
reply to post by TinkerHaus
I refer your very first paragraph right back at you.
And my last
Yes, emotional, because dead people cause emotions and protecting my family from stupid people is more important to me than your dangerous hobby or need to feel like a man.
In the countries you speak of, children might get a black eye when they mess with the wrong crowd but they don't come home in a box after watching batman. This happens everyday all over the US... Focus on that statistic rather than the one I plucked out of thin air whilst making a point.
I bet you won't though, you just want guns and don't care about the dead kids that come with them
Beavers
reply to post by TinkerHaus
I refer your very first paragraph right back at you.
And my last
Yes, emotional, because dead people cause emotions and protecting my family from stupid people is more important to me than your dangerous hobby or need to feel like a man.
In the countries you speak of, children might get a black eye when they mess with the wrong crowd but they don't come home in a box after watching batman. This happens everyday all over the US... Focus on that statistic rather than the one I plucked out of thin air whilst making a point.
I bet you won't though, you just want guns and don't care about the dead kids that come with them
Jefferton
More people with guns = more idiots with guns = more potential for death by guns.
Not just by the "bad guys", also the cowboy types, and dumb gun owners allowing their children access because their stupidity.
Jefferton
More people with guns = more idiots with guns = more potential for death by guns.
Not just by the "bad guys", also the cowboy types, and dumb gun owners allowing their children access because their stupidity.
As the nation debates whether more guns or fewer can prevent tragedies like the Virginia Tech Massacre, a notable anniversary passed last month in a Georgia town that witnessed a dramatic plunge in crime and violence after mandating residents to own firearms.
In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of “Wild West” showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.
The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.
Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.
By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city’s crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township’s crime rate stands at 2,268 per 100,000.
This was not what some predicted.