The Crisis at Fukushima's Unit 4 Demands a Global Take-Over

reply to post by lakesidepark
I think what we have here is what I call the "messiah moment" where they come out and say we have a way to neutralize radiation and clip the preverbal wire at the last second. If not I can't help but wonder what the Rothschild's are going to do...unless there NWO agenda is to slowly kill the earth and live on it.

Good question, why doesn't someone ask them.

reply to post by Human0815


Indeed you are correct, tritium as per wikipedia has leaked at 48 of the 65 nuclear plants in the U.S. This is actually a common problem and the amount or tritium has been negligable, with no known health effect over a 58 year period in the U.S. However i see your post as nothing but instigating, nuclear meltdowns are a global issue and to say otherwise is rediculous. Then to point the finger at the U.S as if there is even a comparison is nothing more than a diversion tactic.

reply to post by TechniXcality


I do not wrote that we should don't mind Fukushima!

Please Re-read that Posting!

By the Way the amount of Tritium of Fukushima is similar to many Leaks of
older Plants in the US!

Iamnotadoctor
I'm sure everything will be fine.
Deny paranoia

reply to post by Plotus


I have a feeling, the cleansing method is asteroids!!

reply to post by jlafleur02


Actually, there are several good explanations on here for what will most assuredly happen, what is likely or possible, and what is remotely possible. But to shorten it to two simple explanations:


1) They are successful in removing the fuel assemblies. In this case the radiation that has already escaped and the radiation that will continue to escape will damage wildlife in the Pacific region, and will lead to a dramatic increase in cancers and leukemia in the Pacific coastal regions. Most life will go on but a significantly-measurable percentage will be either deformed or die an early death.


2) They have an accident and collapse the spent fuel pool. At that point, the radioactivity that will be released will permanently bar humans and machines from getting anywhere close to Fukushima. All activity to save and salvage and cool will STOP.

The loss of cooling for all the spent fuel pools, the three cores that are already loose, and possibly the two functional reactors, will release an amount of radiation into the air and into the Pacific that at this time we cannot fathom. The only comparison we can make to this type of uncontrolled fission (and possible criticalities - nuclear detonations) is to compare it to a full nuclear exchange between the U.S. and Russia. Mutually-assured destruction. Only all life will die, slowly, first the northern hemisphere, but eventually air and water currents will carry it across the globe and pollute the food chain from the bottom-up. The fires will burn at the site and continue to pollute the Earth for at least 500 years, and maybe for much longer than that.

If you are 60 you might live a normal lifespan. The problem is that everyone else will be dying around you at the same time. At least you won't go out alone, as billions will join you in the great beyond.

Maybe, in 10,000 years, evolution will return a semblence of humans to the Earth, and they can find our history in the rubble and learn not to repeat this mistake again.


There ya go. Thats as simple as it gets, and as un-exaggerated as I can make it. There are some scenarios being speculated that make the outcome even worse than I have laid out here.

When I have time I will come back and make that explanation a bit more technical, but that's the layman's gist of it.

Pretty sight, eh???

I hope the Japanese have a handle on this. Otherwise they will be the first to go. No worries thou, we will join them shortly.

reply to post by evictiongnostic


Signed.

I rarely find myself in agreement with both MoveOn.org and the government of communist China, on ANY topic. But in this case, I have to agree with both of them.

reply to post by lakesidepark


It takes several hundred assemblies to equal a single core.

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Go over my last post and check the link. Just shows how ignorant this site's members are with all the stars you got. Its a shame.

reply to post by lakesidepark


There's always underground bunkers and seed banks. We may be able to survive underground. Maybe we will preserve enough of our technology to return to the surface in 10,000 years. If those underground haven't gone insane or killed themselves in a civil war by then.

reply to post by webedoomed


What is your opinion on the level of destruction or pollution this could cause Japan and the rest of the world?

We will remain ignorant until someone helps us understand the facts. You can't just post the Wikipedia page about Nuclear Fuel and expect a bunch of lay people to understand what that even means.

If you want us to not be ignorant, teach us, don't insult us.

reply to post by evictiongnostic


Yes, I agree with evictiongnostic, don't insult, present numbers and sources. I already presented many sources and links, and I do not profess to be an expert.

So if you (webedoomed, or anyone for that matter) have better information than you have presented so far, then please present it, and not what you have already said; first it was only 1400 fuel rods, now you agree they are 1400 assemblies but state they do not equal 1400 cores; and you have yet to present information that disputes the outcomes we discuss, even if it is not 1400 cores or assemblies or just fuel rods, and even if thsi was the ONLY source of radioactivity on this site (there are still many unanswered questions about the activities under unit #4 that caused the multiple explosions inside a supposedly 'empty' reactor).

We need more credibility than what you (webedoomed) have offered, or we have to go with what information we get from people that have presented themselves as better informed than you.

You can start with some specific answers since you ventered down this path:
How much fissionable material left in each fuel rod?
How many fuel rods per "assembly"?
How many "assemblies" per 'core'?
How much plutonium in the spent fuel cores / assemblies / rods / whatever?
How many NEW cores / assemblies / rods were there onsite?

We want to know. If you do not think we are doomed, then show us you have the knowledge that convinces.

Knowledge is king. You can be king if you present the knowledge. Right now you only offer assumptions and Wikipedia references (which are also written by laymen like ourselves).

Otherwise I will go with what I have been able to glean from all the sources I have been reading, and simply ignore you as another person with the head in the sand.

webedoomed
-- snip --
Second, these fuel rods are SPENT!!

If you can't even get a grasp of the basics, please don't go around spouting off jargon that you pick up from some alt news sites which capitalize on instilling fear from misinformation.

I grasp that using the term "SPENT" as if you are talking about the ashes in the bottom of a charcoal grill is at best a misnomer and at worst a deliberate attempt to distort the truth.

I suppose you consider the NRC an "alt news" site?

www.nrc.gov...

Q: What is spent nuclear fuel?

A: “Spent nuclear fuel” refers to fuel elements that have been used at commercial nuclear reactors, but that are no longer capable of economically sustaining a nuclear reaction. Periodically, about one-third of the nuclear fuel in an operating reactor needs to be unloaded and replaced with fresh fuel.

Q: Why does spent fuel need to be cooled?

A: Spent fuel continues to generate heat because of radioactive decay of the elements inside the fuel. After the fission reaction is stopped and the reactor is shut down, the products left over from the fuel’s time in the reactor are still radioactive and emit heat as they decay into more stable elements. Although the heat production drops rapidly at first, heat is still generated many years after shutdown. Therefore, the NRC sets requirements on the handling and storage of this fuel to ensure protection of the public and the environment.

reply to post by lakesidepark


F'Shima Inventory:

F'Shima Appendix/ Fuel Status:

Human0815
reply to post by lakesidepark

 

F'Shima Inventory:

F'Shima Appendix/ Fuel Status:

edit on 24-9-2013 by Human0815 because: add info

I have read this thread, and have read your new one....pardon me....but I find your syntax and use of language diametrically different as per here and there. This may seem off topic to some, but I am calling you on who you are, your nationality, and therfore, motivation, as to it seems to me your responses, don't make ultimate sense, vis a vis what I have extrapolated.

You left a post, You are not a Japanese person, as though this was a bad thing.....

I have been reading, steadily, what has been posted about this atrocity, and read your many posts....and am simply trying to figure it out.... You use the royal "we" and talk about "solutions" and write threads about different mechanisms to filtrate the radiological elements....

Pardon me, for calling you on this, but I'm trying to get a "compass point" on where you are coming from, because right now, it seems there is an agenda at work here, and I am calling you on it, to see where you're posting from, so we all know what is going on here. Otherwise, it's just some obfuscation and politicization of the above problem, and it's killing people, so shame on you....
Tetra50

I do wish people would stop with the "overdoom" yeah IF all the rods suddenly collapse into one another there would be a shot at a reaction no one would be able to deal with. This however is not going to happen if one rod touches another for a second like Goku and Vegeta doing a fusion... it's going to be a hard maneuver, yeah... stop predicting failures. It's not like those involved don't know the consequences and what is being talked about is very unlikely to happen.

And let's also factor in this IF the worst case scenario Were to occur, Then the big 3, US, Russia and China will step in... yeah big initial radiation ... that week...

THEN the world WILL step in and there will be 10 Million Military personnel including Nato, all their physicists and one way or another a dramatic choice to bury the sucker and contain the damage will be made, this isn't some planned "ELE" or any other bs people talk about in here.

They are "hoping" Japan can contain this, trust me on this statement... "The worlds leaders are not sitting around without contingency plans, the Japanese will do everything possible to not lose their sovereignty by allowing this situation to get worse and IF it does... No one actually needed a thread to put INTERVENTION on the chopping block if the radiation becomes a clear and present genuine threat to the globe... they already know what to do if this event occurs"

It will be handled... you're arguing about Intervention prior to another "event"

The Intervention will come if it's deemed necessary

You'd be better off, working at the cause of ending the industry, elimination of nuclear power before it happens again... because our Japanese friend is right, we have at least 60 potential Fukushimas up and running in the States and we are the only idiots looking to build more aside from idiots like Iran and NK, Radiation WILL be released, nothing here will stop that, hope they do a damn good job... it's not an ELE, some birth defects and Thyroid problems.... and it WILL somehow be contained...

Now stop predicting the end of the world and put the effort where it's needed... ending nuclear power period so it doesn't happen again.

reply to post by webedoomed
Have you ever seen a chart that list the total amount(s) of Uranium and Plutonium released into the environment? If I had true and accurate information to work with I COULD actually "Do The Math". With the information I have at hand I would estimate 2-3 Billion deaths over 50 years.

tetra50

Human0815
reply to post by lakesidepark

 

F'Shima Inventory:

F'Shima Appendix/ Fuel Status:

edit on 24-9-2013 by Human0815 because: add info

I have read this thread, and have read your new one....pardon me....but I find your syntax and use of language diametrically different as per here and there. This may seem off topic to some, but I am calling you on who you are, your nationality, and therfore, motivation, as to it seems to me your responses, don't make ultimate sense, vis a vis what I have extrapolated.

You left a post, You are not a Japanese person, as though this was a bad thing.....

I have been reading, steadily, what has been posted about this atrocity, and read your many posts....and am simply trying to figure it out.... You use the royal "we" and talk about "solutions" and write threads about different mechanisms to filtrate the radiological elements....

Pardon me, for calling you on this, but I'm trying to get a "compass point" on where you are coming from, because right now, it seems there is an agenda at work here, and I am calling you on it, to see where you're posting from, so we all know what is going on here. Otherwise, it's just some obfuscation and politicization of the above problem, and it's killing people, so shame on you....
Tetra50

You know... After the Tsunami, have you ever seen anyone clean up that quickly, take things in stride, remain optimistic go about their lives without self pity, without complaint, without chaos and looting and violence.

Do you even know any real Japanese?

A stupid Hurricane ripped through New Orleans here and people shot at the coast guard, remained homeless for years, harmed each other spent their funds on booze and porn...

Japan was very quickly "running after the Tsunami" ordinary problems were contained with immediacy, roads in many cases rebuilt in days.

This is a freaking tragedy, there is no agenda with this guy... there is a reason the Japanese use the term Gaijin for outsiders and concern themselves about it... a lot of Gaijin ARE panicking, dramatic idiots... The culture of Japan remains hopeful and positive and does it's best when faced with adversity (mostly of course) this tendency to... complain rather than ACT is looked down upon and for good reason, you're alive, bad things happen...work harder, do more hope for the best, Be Logical

Screaming about what MAY happen... has little to do with getting a tough job done.

Not trying because you might fail is doing nothing.

There is nothing to do but step by step do your best

The blobs have not and are likely nowhere near as yet the Tokyo aquifer, simple mistakes have little to no likelihood of igniting a reaction all this junk about that topic is misguided... no more people have died from this than... the by FAR more people that died from our testing for WAR

Which brings me to this... leave them the hell alone because it's OUR fault, we brought this crap technology to bear, we developed it, we spread it, we are the by FAR as our Japanese friend points out BY FAR the most likely to have an event that would be worse, WE are continuing to push it, OUR military is the REASON... defense against US is the reason that nations FAR less stable than japan are building reactors.

So Agendas? Look no further than home... not at Japan... we are a bunch of reckless idiots, our society panics, our cultural imperialism led the world to keep up, we invented this evil.

Our culture has started to Suck

I sit here and listen to people talk about their guns and their prepping in the event of a meltdown here... let me assure you because of THOSE types IF a meltdown happens here, it WILL go critical because people will panic and not go about their business and loose hope and in the chaos things will break down...

Be thankful... the Japanese aren't like us. Stop blaming them for this or predicting their failure... This thread "The world should...."

Should WHAT? Add some depleted Uranium to the mix, take over the country? Attack Attack Attack GO USA... that's helped the hell a lot the last few years huh? Assume they will fail...use military force... Bravo, nothing worse could happen in that scenario...

THEY AREN'T PANICKING... none of what is being talked about has happened, there is every reason for HOPE and EFFORT there is NO reason to assume the removal will end badly and they are holding steadfast... they didn't go crazy and shut Japan down and cripple the global economy did they? I don't see any mutants yet do you? No #...a few messed up polar bears a higher than normal death rate in infancy... Reason to invade eh? Because Us Gaijin are much more solid than them in a crisis huh?

Truth is I live scared of what my neighbors will do if anything at all goes wrong, armed to the teeth with the educational level of a 4th grader.

FIRST RULE: DON'T PANIC

SECOND RULE: See Rule no 1

penninja

tetra50

Human0815
reply to post by lakesidepark

 

F'Shima Inventory:

F'Shima Appendix/ Fuel Status:

edit on 24-9-2013 by Human0815 because: add info

I have read this thread, and have read your new one....pardon me....but I find your syntax and use of language diametrically different as per here and there. This may seem off topic to some, but I am calling you on who you are, your nationality, and therfore, motivation, as to it seems to me your responses, don't make ultimate sense, vis a vis what I have extrapolated.

You left a post, You are not a Japanese person, as though this was a bad thing.....

I have been reading, steadily, what has been posted about this atrocity, and read your many posts....and am simply trying to figure it out.... You use the royal "we" and talk about "solutions" and write threads about different mechanisms to filtrate the radiological elements....

Pardon me, for calling you on this, but I'm trying to get a "compass point" on where you are coming from, because right now, it seems there is an agenda at work here, and I am calling you on it, to see where you're posting from, so we all know what is going on here. Otherwise, it's just some obfuscation and politicization of the above problem, and it's killing people, so shame on you....
Tetra50

You know... After the Tsunami, have you ever seen anyone clean up that quickly, take things in stride, remain optimistic go about their lives without self pity, without complaint, without chaos and looting and violence.

Do you even know any real Japanese?

A stupid Hurricane ripped through New Orleans here and people shot at the coast guard, remained homeless for years, harmed each other spent their funds on booze and porn...

Japan was very quickly "running after the Tsunami" ordinary problems were contained with immediacy, roads in many cases rebuilt in days.

This is a freaking tragedy, there is no agenda with this guy... there is a reason the Japanese use the term Gaijin for outsiders and concern themselves about it... a lot of Gaijin ARE panicking, dramatic idiots... The culture of Japan remains hopeful and positive and does it's best when faced with adversity (mostly of course) this tendency to... complain rather than ACT is looked down upon and for good reason, you're alive, bad things happen...work harder, do more hope for the best, Be Logical

Screaming about what MAY happen... has little to do with getting a tough job done.

Not trying because you might fail is doing nothing.

There is nothing to do but step by step do your best

The blobs have not and are likely nowhere near as yet the Tokyo aquifer, simple mistakes have little to no likelihood of igniting a reaction all this junk about that topic is misguided... no more people have died from this than... the by FAR more people that died from our testing for WAR

Which brings me to this... leave them the hell alone because it's OUR fault, we brought this crap technology to bear, we developed it, we spread it, we are the by FAR as our Japanese friend points out BY FAR the most likely to have an event that would be worse, WE are continuing to push it, OUR military is the REASON... defense against US is the reason that nations FAR less stable than japan are building reactors.

So Agendas? Look no further than home... not at Japan... we are a bunch of reckless idiots, our society panics, our cultural imperialism led the world to keep up, we invented this evil.

Our culture has started to Suck

I sit here and listen to people talk about their guns and their prepping in the event of a meltdown here... let me assure you because of THOSE types IF a meltdown happens here, it WILL go critical because people will panic and not go about their business and loose hope and in the chaos things will break down...

Be thankful... the Japanese aren't like us. Stop blaming them for this or predicting their failure... This thread "The world should...."

Should WHAT? Add some depleted Uranium to the mix, take over the country? Attack Attack Attack GO USA... that's helped the hell a lot the last few years huh? Assume they will fail...use military force... Bravo, nothing worse could happen in that scenario...

THEY AREN'T PANICKING... none of what is being talked about has happened, there is every reason for HOPE and EFFORT there is NO reason to assume the removal will end badly and they are holding steadfast... they didn't go crazy and shut Japan down and cripple the global economy did they? I don't see any mutants yet do you? No #...a few messed up polar bears a higher than normal death rate in infancy... Reason to invade eh? Because Us Gaijin are much more solid than them in a crisis huh?

Truth is I live scared of what my neighbors will do if anything at all goes wrong, armed to the teeth with the educational level of a 4th grader.

FIRST RULE: DON'T PANIC

SECOND RULE: See Rule no 1

Uhhh. I am a Hurricane Katrina survivor. Stayed in a barn with my horses, whom I couldnt get out, afore the storm, so you're kind of preaching to the choir, here. Stepped over the break in my property after the storm passed, and knew the flooding extent....do we need to go there, really, for I experienced it all, too, personally, and it has never stopped having an effect on my life, daily, really....

as far as what I pointed to Humanwhatever......

yeah, you're dead on....what will your neighbors do? when it all comes down to this or that? I know I did what I could, but that's not saying much. See, that's the point: it doesn't matter, your character, at the end of the day, the requisite situation will eclipse what you are, and your beliefs, then......
Sincerely and Respectfullyk
Tetra50

Okay, I'm trying real friggin hard here:

You know... After the Tsunami, have you ever seen anyone clean up that quickly, take things in stride, remain optimistic go about their lives without self pity, without complaint, without chaos and looting and violence.

Do you even know any real Japanese?

I replied what I did, because I would like to see everyone survive the radiation......

And this is your reply, and referencing Hurricane Katrina and the Tsunami.....


Babe, I am a hurricane Katrina survivor... no I don't know any Japanese. Do you?

How friggin dare you?????
Judge me and what I've been through, as I don't judge you like that. Take a friggin hike. IT CHANGED MY LIFE
FRIGGIN DESTOYED IT, FOREVER...do you speak any friggin ENGLISH

reply to post by penninja
The problem with Fukushima is that the problem is beyond the ability of humanity to fix at this point. This problem will affect EVERYONE within 5-10 years. Consider the economic impact to the world if Japan has to be evacuated(this could/will happen). "IT" has been hitting the fan for two and half years and it seem that the bulk of humanity is blissfully unaware.