Who has a problem feeding the less fortunate??? I want to know.

reply to post by OccamsRazor04


OR, I'm going to simply say I'm exiting this thread. Pretty much leaving it right there for explanation or lack of it. This is the second thread, currently running, where I've gotten a bit more passionate on a topic I deeply care about than I should have ..and my bad on that reaction, 100% and totally.

Perhaps another thread..and most definitely another topic. You and I will never agree on this one, on any level by the sound of things. No biggy.... The world wouldn't be the one we love if everyone agreed. It would be a positively boring place.

Take care and see ya on another one.

I have absolutely no problem feeding the children of illegal immigrants. But we should be feeding them on the bus on its way back to Mexico.
I also have to deal with the less fortunate people in my community. The majority of whom smoke and drink all the while their children are on the free lunch programs.
We will not have a problem helping less fortunate when The system has some accountability.

I don't have a problem feeding the people undergoing difficult times. I could give many occasions where I have helped people less fortunate and never gave it a second thought or bragged about it to others for a "higher social status". I think the people that go around telling everybody they helped people today are pathetic. Take your attempts to garner attention elsewhere.

What I do have a problem with, is this: If you have zero money, no food, etc; WHY ARE YOU HAVING BABIES? You doom your children to a life of poverty and torment. Sure there are some situations in which people are chugging along and the floor drops out. I've been there. I understand. However, when you make a conscious decision to have sex which could lead to a baby when your already in dire straights... you are a monster. Anybody who supports or enables this behavior is a monster and complicit in sentencing children to die or suffer.

rockn82
I don't have a problem feeding the people undergoing difficult times. I could give many occasions where I have helped people less fortunate and never gave it a second thought or bragged about it to others for a "higher social status". I think the people that go around telling everybody they helped people today are pathetic. Take your attempts to garner attention elsewhere.

What I do have a problem with, is this: If you have zero money, no food, etc; WHY ARE YOU HAVING BABIES? You doom your children to a life of poverty and torment. Sure there are some situations in which people are chugging along and the floor drops out. I've been there. I understand. However, when you make a conscious decision to have sex which could lead to a baby when your already in dire straights... you are a monster. Anybody who supports or enables this behavior is a monster and complicit in sentencing children to die or suffer.

They have more babies so they can receive more handouts.

Off the top of my head, I know two women that had an extra child or two just for the tax credit!!! WTF!? I mean, they literally tried and got pregnant for that extra Thousand dollars at income tax time. Ugh.

reply to post by GrantedBail


We have become so far removed from eachother that this happens. Its sad. You got people with their political motivations, saying "Dont feed them they are illegal...." Its sad that is acceptible.

We need to get back to the baiscs. We need to stop watching so much tv, and giving to organizations that claim to give the money to the poor. We need to do it ourselves.

reply to post by TarzanBeta


My turn...

So you ask questions in your head and answer them yourself. Lovely...

Okay, you answered that you give when a person is in need. Most excellent, I think you and I can have a beer together. My treat too.

Then you lost me on money is just paper. So based on your own words, you don't see money as something valuable? something that measures a product or a service? Clearly you don't, then that's cool, I choose to see it as one heck of a pat on the back for my service or product. It's a measuring tool if you will.
Sure there are plenty who ef up such a beautiful transaction, but there are plenty of small business owners who rock it to their favor, and dare I say their motive is profit. Which any business owner should have as their top priority (Maintain and increase profits), just don't ef up the transaction.
Just my positive view on the $bill....

Now my focus here is an earned $buck...

An *earned* $buck does wonders for the soul, it brings many positive things with it. Self worth, self confidence, the value of hard work, the feeling of I earned this and no one can take it from me, my thoughts, ideas, muscle and sweat *EARNED* this $buck$.. just to name a big few.

Now I am not going to tote my charitable ventures here in detail ... Now for one to have their hard earned money taken from them (taxes/foodStamps) to feed people who clearly are capable for providing a good earned life for themselves and their family, and not take advantage of their natural gifts and desires.. BUT still the person who is by law to pay taxes into this, STILL, STILL gives from his/her own wallet to the hungry and sick.

So I give even under your conditions... But I do stand up when a human being chooses the easy way out, it's very disappointing to witness and live under.

The worst a human can do imo, is to let their talent go to waste. This is what I see.

A is A in my book, but you call it judging, which is guilt chuncking... why is it so hard for you to walk up to these people and say "hey, there is another way, look I will show you..." boom now you may have one less person who isn't hungry...
Where is your belief in the human spirit? And how powerful it is for each and one of us, and how can you not question that person paying with food stamps when she just left Macy's to get an outfit, nails and hair done...(she just took food out of a hungry less fortunate person's who really needed it) no judging, I saw it clearly everyday and heard the words that came out of their mouths. It's as if they are programmed now to believe that this is a "benefit".... We the village folk do a good job with food pantries/places of worship feeding the hungry in our local community.... Now imagine if you just reduced social food stamps a little and let us compassionate people give more to our local food pantries... I think we'd be just fine, and the human spirit on its own choices, may just pleasantly surprise you.

Your turn...

What about the view that most people are inferior to the pretty, smart, gifted few, who by their very nature should rule (and are thus probably blessed by a god that probably doesn't exist)?

The hungry, ignorant masses who do nothing but eat and pollute ...and are on the planet to serve are lucky that the strong suffer them to live at all.

THAT is the view held by many people (who also just happen to usually be born into privilege- or are poor and sociopathic). To see an easy display of this feudal "philosophy," go into any college town and watch the average frat guy interact with the service industry.

So that is why there isn't a coming together of all people to eradicate poverty and all it's horrific results.

Not to say there are no differences in people, there are, but the people who secretly or loudly agree with the above fascistic view forget that poverty itself causes many of these differences in the first place (as in lowered IQ caused by poor nutrition, no time for education/arts because of subsistence needs, etc., etc.).

kimish

They have more babies so they can receive more handouts.

Off the top of my head, I know two women that had an extra child or two just for the tax credit!!! WTF!? I mean, they literally tried and got pregnant for that extra Thousand dollars at income tax time. Ugh.

Yeah I hear you. I have a friend who I was in the Army with. Making a long story short, his [now] ex-wife's sister had two bi-racial children. The ex-wife and sister live together and the ex-wife adopted the bi-racial children. This allowed for a giant tax credit (according to some it totaled $44,000 because bi-racial children are hard to place) This ex-wife I speak of was a CNA/RNA and quit her job because she made more money off just having the children in her home. Also considering that the sister still living with her and her children... The sister goes out and gets pregnant... ensuring it's bi-racial so they can repeat the process. It's ridiculous.

Since I have wandered a bit off the original topic; I will backtrack a bit. As far as illegal immigrants go, they have a choice. Their children are Americans. They can choose to get a temporary VISA and go through the process to become Americans or they can go home. Their children can certainly stay and be adopted or they can travel home with their parents.

When we alter laws or create loopholes to accommodate lazy or unlawful people it is a direct slap in the face to those who have worked hard and done the right thing. In my eyes there is no "middle ground" when you are trying to maintain a "fair" system. Supporting illegal immigrants just because they didn't get caught at first doesn't make it alright. Go through the system and become a citizen or go home. To me they should get no support what-so-ever. If they want their child to be taken care of then turn it over to an adoption center or don't have one to begin with.

Now all of this may sound harsh but I'm sure everybody has heard that "life isn't fair". While that is true, I certainly don't see the point in making it even more unfair for the people who did the right thing and rewarding criminals is just ridiculous in my book.

GrantedBail
There is a thread currently on the front page that is taking issue with feeding the children (who are now legal) of illegal immigrants?

I find it repulsive for anyone to complain about feeding children (irrespective of their origin), the elderly, the infirm, and the less fortunate. It is FOOD. They can't go gamble at the casinos, or buy cigarettes or hooch. They can't even by toilet paper. But they can buy rice and beans and some chicken.

I can honestly say I'll not lose a wink of sleep over what repulses you. I wasn't going to ask you to marry me anyhow.

Let their own government buy them rice and beans. At home. Chicken is just plain nasty.

We have veterans in this country who have given life and limb that receive these benefits. There are people that are disabled that need this food.

Wait... what? You open by delivering a scathing attack on anyone who thinks illegal is illegal, and shouldn't be rewarded, and now we're talking vetrans? Bait and switch, or are we talking veterans of the Mexican Army here?

Where is your humanity??

I have none. It was stolen from me. If you find it, please return it.

For fugs sake!! They are just eating. Is that OK.

Sure. it's fine. They can do it at home, rather than raiding our pantry.

Why isn't your ire focused on the TBTF banks that got trillions of dollars. Or British Petroleum or Halliburton. There are two fugging oozing scabs on the sores of humanity. What about the flesh eating parasites that feed off of every single American's skin that are parked up there on K Street in DC.

I don't deal with them. Don't give a rats ass about them either way.

Jezzus!!

It might help to call on someone who knows you.

I could go on for days about the total corporate take over of this country by the multi-nationals.

Take it back - or at least your own little corner of it.

About the destruction of the manufacturing base starting in the early 80's with Reagan.

I blame greedy-assed Unions for that, pricing themselves out of jobs. It was going on long before the 80's.

About the TPP they are trying to ramrod through while no one is looking. That will be the end of us.

The what?

You think you can't find a job now. No one is paying attention to that fugging monstrosity that they are trying to keep on the down low.

I've found 3 jobs in the last month. it helps when job hunting to actually look.

But no!!! You want to complain about feeding children and families that are down on their luck.

I've been "down on my luck" more than once. I never went to sponge off of another country. I just made my luck re-happen. Luck is a misnomer. There's work involved in changing it.

Just shows to go ya the frickin propaganda works and people that were born with fewer brain cells are so easily manipulated into thinking his brother is his enemy.

My brother is not my enemy. he's really a,pretty nice guy. Not everyone, however, is my brother. thinking they are displays an astonishing lack of gray matter.

Shameful.

I'm duly shamed. I'll just go off into the corner and cry myself to sleep now.

There are a number of videos about homeless and hungry children in America. In many areas, there just arn't enough jobs to go around.We have millions of un-employed citizens while millions of illegals are employed. If the illegals never came here, if our laws were enforced and they were deported, there would be more jobs for citizens and those citizens would be able to feed their children.

No one wants to see people go hungry no matter who they are or where they are from, what color they are or what their culture is. Each Country should take care of its own people. Sadly, they do not.

reply to post by GrantedBail


I have a problem with it... We have gotten away from the truth of nature of survival of the fittest. We are nothing more than an animal on the earth and some how have twisted it that a god made us and that we are superior to the other animals on the earth when in reality are very in-superior.

We have grossly overpopulated the earth and the more we feed the strays at the back door the more we grossly overpopulate the earth.

There are a lot of threads on ATS that complain about TPTB wanting to annihilate the populace but it reality it needs to happen if we want the planet to stay alive so to speak.

We do it with all animals the deer get out of line they issue more permits to kill them they get to low we cut them back... Why are the humans any different?

Most all humans even those on ATS are still asleep or they just don't want to believe the truth of it...

It's too ugly, it's too hard no one really wants to see the truth...

reply to post by agentscoly

Wait a minute, what?

We have to let people die to let people live? No, that can't be right.

Rich people are "better" than poor people, so we should kill poor people? Uggh.

There is something in our genes that can pass "goodness" from generation to generation, so we need to kill the people without that gene in order to create a "Master Race?" Uh-oh, been there, done that, have the tattoo.

By standing by and watching while our fellow human beings die, we will become a better, more decent, more caring people? What?

What did you mean?

I am not at all at odds with feeding people or even extending a hand "up" not "out" to downtrodden individuals.

What I do take issue with is an entitlement system provided by a Govt. that has no right to disciminate the peoples monies for political gain. Which has become a cradle to grave "nanny" taking away the survival instinct and leaving people as little more than "professional" voters.

I take issue with a system that has killed the heart of "Philanthropy" that would otherwise thrive in a strong free market economy, which I might add we would have if this Govt. would pay attention do doing the things which it must and not waste its time and our monies on the things which it cannot.

Friends, family, church, United Way, YMCA, shelters etc, People who give for no gain other than what you do for your fellow man you do also for "Him." Those that know how to help get someone back on their feet and build them up. Not take away the instinct to survive, to excel to pull oneself up by the bootstraps and go out and do it better next time.

This is not a redirect. If the Govt. did the things it must (read the Constitution) instead of paying so much attention to things it cannot (read the Constitution) we would have that growth environment which leads to a healthy economy which allows philanthropy to survive which helps insure no one goes hungry.

And don't just go - yeah, yeah Constitution moving on nothing to see here but you think about what that would look like on foreign aid, foreign policy. immigration, welfare, Taxing, for example. Think about how this economy would thrive if this Govt. followed the Constitution as it must and as we must make it. Look at what the Constitution says and what this Govt. does now imagine how much different things would be.

reply to post by GrantedBail


I have no issue whatsoever helping children and the less than fortunate families down on their luck as you called it. I do have a problem with the the other side of the coin and the families who do nothing to try to help themselves and think they are entitled to be provided for by not only the government and it's taxpayers IE me and you.

Many families relish in the fact that they can do drugs, have multiple kids, not pay taxes, rent free housing, food stamps, etc etc etc. I have no sympathy for those people and do not wish to help them in any way. The victim is the children these so called less fortunate people are having who 95 out of 100 of these children will repeat the process because thats all they know.

I have a great job, great woman, and a baby on the way and it's going to be an absolute struggle to make ends meet, but yet I ask for no hand outs and will do the best I can or whatever I have to do to take care of my family period.

The problem is who is worse off in reality, me the guy who works 50 hours a week (60) counting traffic, pays a mortgage, pays taxes on everything, buys his own food, clothing, materials or the so called less fortunate I already help provide for with my 38% taxed income along with my countless other taxes. They live rent free, free food, housing, and play up the poor pity me card.....but yet all walk around in designer clothes, take drugs, have pretty decent vehicles...so you can see why I have no sympathy.

If I can help a child in need, not an issue, no problems or questions asked I'll do what I can do. But for the others that abuse the systems...not a dime ever.... they already got my dollar every other Friday.

Harsh as it seems that's life.

NONPOINT21
reply to post by GrantedBail

 

Many families relish in the fact that they can do drugs, have multiple kids, not pay taxes, rent free housing, food stamps, etc etc etc. I have no sympathy for those people and do not wish to help them in any way. The victim is the children these so called less fortunate people are having who 95 out of 100 of these children will repeat the process because thats all they know.

Ok. Do you have some kind of reference for this information? Links showing statistics on these families who relish doing drugs and popping out lots of kids? Or is this some kind of anecdotal evidence based upon your opinion?

There are cases in which feeding a poor population can lead to more problems. Especially when the population has no will or ability to sustain it's self and continually reproduces offspring that also have no ability or will to sustain themselves. It's happened many times in African countries. A mission organizes food drives goes to a starving population in Africa and continues feeding the population for a decade or so, during which time the population more than doubles. Eventually that mission loses it's ability to sustain the population and now instead of the 2000 originally starving people there are 20000 starving people and disease and crime is running rampant.

reply to post by mikell


Take that to the newspapers. The police in Devon did the same thing. A man was plagued by local kids hanging outside his home and stealing stuff. So he put up a CCTV camera to standard (with HD quality, infra-red lighting, motion sensors and timestamps). Found his property damaged, called the police round and showed them the tape (with faces, number-plates, everything). What did they say? "Did you watch the tape yourself? Oh we can't accept it then, you've tampered with the evidence").