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NoRulesAllowed
I am reading this book
"Ask and It Is Given: Learning to Manifest Your Desires" by Esther Hicks, Jerry Hicks (Abraham Hicks) and all I see online is raving reviews about those "teachings of Abraham".
Now, I am not "against" new-age and alternative/spiritual ideas...in fact I read and like a lot about NDE, the SETH books and much more and there is some good reading.
But I still have problems wrapping my around around the idea of "manifesting" and would like to know whether someone has REAL experiences where such a school of thought/philosophy has benefited them in real life?
I mean I understand the underlying philosophy, it is not hard to understand.
The above book (I have NOT finished it yet)...I find very simplified with cliches repeated and repeated over and over, I am at the 19th or so chapter right now and it's just the same blahblah repeated over and over and then about 1000x the word "vibration" thrown in.
Has anyone read those Abraham Hicks books..and what has it benefited them etc.?
By the way I understand very well that skepticism (or criticism) does well stand between an actual successful REALIZATION or MANIFESTATION process (obviously, to manifest I must be convinced that what I read is true and need to drop my skepticism)....but when I read chapter after chapter where it only says that my "vibrations need to be right" and basically only pointing out the difference between REAL DESIRE or FOCUS ON THE LACK INSTEAD (which of course is n the way of real manifestations)...but then I wonder what this book is when it repeats the same stuff over and over. I mean it's NOT rocket science: Yes yes, for successful manifestation I must truly believe and cannot focus on the LACK of something instead...it doesn't need an IQ of 140 to understand that.
Then......i would also be interested how the Law of Attraction actually works in terms of "logic"...here AGAIN I am understanding that a skepticism is NOT benefiting the manifestation process...but I can't simply help it!
Here is an example:
According to the above book it's all super-easy and all you need to do is "get your vibrations right", so to speak.
"Ask and it is given"
Now I want to manifest a red Ferrari.
Let's assume the red Ferrari would really appear - where does it come from? Who manufactured it? Who paid for it? Obviously a red Ferrari cannot simply materialize out of thin air...and someone built it and there must be a CAUSAL CHAIN OF EVENTS that is *explainable* how I may get a red Ferrari tomorrow. Would you agree with that? Or would successful materialization "violate" the law of causality/rationality? But then this would be the same thing as magic.
I would really like to know whether some people have experience with that.
**
Add:
Ok..obviously I will NEVER be successful manifesting a red Ferrari if I am not 100% convinced that there is a rational, causal chain that will make it possible that a Ferrari appears. (Short: It cannot work when I have DOUBTS, correct? I actually understand that.)
So..how do you erase the doubts? In the example of the red Ferrari (or whatever else)...how would I go about manifesting so that I can "rationalize" the manifestation of a red Ferrari? (You would simply "make something up" which would somehow lead to you getting a red Ferrari....and then convince yourself that this WILL come to pass...even if initially the "made-up" reason only has a very slim chance to be actual "real" or even be "logical" ???
One example....I could "rationalize" that I win a red Ferrari in a lottery/sweepstakes...however never actively participated in one. So..someone, somewhere drew my name out of a hat and I am the entirely surprised lucky winner of a red Ferrari ..something like that...I mean the Ferrari cannot be built and delivered to my door by Fairies (There must be SOME rational causal chain, even if extremely unlikely..or how else could it come to pass?)
Sacri
After being fired from a job a few years ago, and facing bankruptcy due to a large debt keeping myself out of prison. I was also in a very dark place dealing with My PTSD, depression, from my service, and battling severe substance addiction, I was presented with a few audio books, and reference material on this subject by a good friend. I put it all into action, with a nothing too loose attitude.
I put into action three things.
1. An awakening of the mind and spirit.
2. A secure job that would dig myself out of financial debt.
3. Knowledge and the road to recover from my hole.
In the last few years I have without a doubt noticed a huge change. Not only have I surged forward with a massive awakening, but I am in a very secure job, I am a month maybe two at the most away from making my last payment on my debt. And I have been clean for over a year, and I feel my mind expanding with the knowledge I have learnt to make these things possible.
It obviously hasnt all been as easy as it sounds, but daily affirmations, a switching of my mindset, a vision board, meditation and other aspects have truly turned my life from the path I was walking down.
Yes I slip into holes with PTSD and depression still, and I still have no idea what the purpose of all this is, but I can look back, and see how far I have come, and smile knowing I still have so much further to go
Namaste
~sacri~
NoRulesAllowed
I am reading this book "Ask and It Is Given: Learning to Manifest Your Desires" by Esther Hicks, Jerry Hicks (Abraham Hicks) and all I see online is raving reviews about those "teachings of Abraham".
Now, I am not "against" new-age and alternative/spiritual ideas...in fact I read and like a lot about NDE, the SETH books and much more and there is some good reading.
But I still have problems wrapping my around around the idea of "manifesting" and would like to know whether someone has REAL experiences where such a school of thought/philosophy has benefited them in real life?
I mean I understand the underlying philosophy, it is not hard to understand.
The above book (I have NOT finished it yet)...I find very simplified with cliches repeated and repeated over and over, I am at the 19th or so chapter right now and it's just the same blahblah repeated over and over and then about 1000x the word "vibration" thrown in.
Has anyone read those Abraham Hicks books..and what has it benefited them etc.?
criticalmindseed
For years we spoke of the perfect place to live/raise our kids, we spoke of details down to a lake & stream as well as ocean waterfront & beach, we yearned to be able to learn to live off the land, learn plant medicine & teach others but could never afford to make the dream real.
Now here we are, there was a chain of events and logical reasons we came to be here but there is no doubt that our intentions and desire manifested into our "dream life" We are the only white family near the first nations reserve and now are being asked to run their community garden and as well as being adopted into the band and are being taught plant medicine by elders.
There is so much to it but basically every honorable intention has come to fruition.
I don't think simply wishing for a car will do, I believe that there is more to it.
There are people in horrible situations and without hope who would benefit from a manifestation of their honorable desire. Why are they not given what they truly deserve?
Why does the balance allow some to suffer & go without while others undeserving run the world ?
I do believe in power of intention but there is more to it that nobody seems to understand & until that is clearly explained there is no way to control it.
Galadriel
reply to post by NoRulesAllowed
There are many more books about Law of Attraction (LOA) out there, and I've found some are much clearer than others, and especially clearer than those Abraham books. Not quite convinced that Esther Hicks is channeling anything. You have to believe in channeling if you are to believe their books.
Mike Dooley has several good books on the subject (try Manifesting Change), and I'm reading one now by Bob Doyle (Follow Your Passion, Find Your Power). Sharon Klingner (spelling?) also has a good book on LOA.
Rhonda Byrne, who spearheaded The Secret (book, movie, website) (which btw got a lot of criticism), has a book that I think is called The Power, and I think it is a great LOA book. Many of the contributors to The Secret film have books of their own that are pretty clear.
No, a Ferrari won't materialize in your driveway. Mike Dooley's book does a good job explaining how LOA supposedly really works.
Galadriel
reply to post by NoRulesAllowed
One small "example" of LOA in my life was when I wanted to go to visit a friend in Boulder and then attend a private "retreat" for a couple days near Colorado Springs, but I couldn't really afford the flight, car rental, etc., plus lodging.
I kept picturing myself going somehow. And then my manager at work kept insisting (I mean "insisting") that I go to a weeklong leadership program in North Carolina. I looked into it and found out they had a site in Colorado Springs as well, and lo and behold, they offered the same program there -- and you could stay at the Broadmoor Hotel (very very luxurious). I pictured myself going and adding in a couple vacation days beforehand so I could visit my friend and attend my private retreat.
My boss agreed to let me go to the Colorado location -- and I was able to have my work pay for the flight and rental car, and of course send me to the leadership program in luxury! So I was able to afford my personal retreat and a night in Boulder out of my pocket -- since my car and flight were covered by my employer!!!
To me, that was LOA in action.
Of course, LOA is supposed to be in play 24/7 -- not just what we consciously are "attracting" but our whole life is evidence of our beliefs, thoughts, emotions.
FlySolo
reply to post by NoRulesAllowed
A few years ago I made a thread showing the results of LOA. It's easy to feel synchronicity when things are going well but when they don't? Ya, all down hill from there.
"Yes yes, for successful manifestation I must truly believe and cannot focus on the LACK of something instead."
Sure is a ball buster if I may. One of the great conundrums with LOA.
"Let's assume the red Ferrari would really appear - where does it come from? Who manufactured it? Who paid for it? Obviously a red Ferrari cannot simply materialize out of thin air...and someone built it and there must be a CAUSAL CHAIN OF EVENTS that is *explainable* how I may get a red Ferrari tomorrow. Would you agree with that? Or would successful materialization "violate" the law of causality/rationality? But then this would be the same thing as magic."
As I understand it, you may not actually manifest a Ferrari but rather the circumstances around it so yes, a chain of events.
"So..how do you erase the doubts? In the example of the red Ferrari (or whatever else)...how would I go about manifesting so that I can 'rationalize' the manifestation of a red Ferrari? (You would simply 'make something up' which would somehow lead to you getting a red Ferrari....and then convince yourself that this WILL come to pass...even if initially the "made-up" reason only has a very slim chance to be actual 'real' or even be 'logical' ???"
You don't need to worry about the details but you have to be specific in your desire. Meditation helps.
I printed off a picture of a 2005 t-bird and focused on it almost daily for about 10 minutes. They're kind of rare, not too many people driving those but shortly I began to see them every day no exaggeration.
One can argue I was only noticing them more but that really wasn't the case. I really was seeing one every single day until I gave up. Now I see one about once every six-months.
Skepticism does play a huge role.
eccentriclady
reply to post by NoRulesAllowed
Twice! The first time was February 2003, I listed all the qualities I wanted in a new partner. Exactly one year later to the day, I started dating a guy who was everything I had asked for, the biggest problem was I had forgot to request qualities such as honesty, reliability, commitment, faithfulness etc, be careful what you wish for.......!
The second time, was oddly enough February 2007 , I visualised the home I wanted, a thatched cottage. I went through the whole palaver of opening up the gate, walking down the path bla bla bla. Now at this time, I lived in a 1950s home, pleasant enough and had not a penny spare, so there was no way I could make a choice to move home. But in the April, by I discovered a client of mine was looking for a tenant for one of his houses, a friend needed a home, so I got the keys. After lots of faffing around, said friend took on a different tenancy, I visited the empty house, totally fell in love with it and the client offered it to me at a very low rent, no deposit etc, so by mid april I moved in, later on, I discovered the thatch had been removed in the 1950's, which made me think, then I remembered my visualisation game, had a think and realised although there are subtle differences, my new home is 90% of what I saw.
Im guessing there could be other explanations, I will leave that to you to decide
arpgme
reply to post by midnightstars
Hello, midnightstars , I like the way you explain it. I used to be a fan of Abraham but then I got bored with their repetitive messages and realized I was just "longing" for things.
Abraham even says:
"We are ETERNALLY INCOMPLETE"
That always sounded strange to me, I wanted fulfillment not feeling incomplete...
Anyway, I now understand it isn't about "wishing" or "visualizing" but actually pretending in order to feel like it is a reality, thanks for clarifying.
For a while I just resorted to appreciating what I have because that always yield good resorts but now that I know this, I will actively manifest again, thanks.