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posted on Sep, 21 2013 @ 10:09 AM
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Bought the documentary, have Nikola Tesla's documentaries also, watched them years ago, watched the HAARP doc this morning, confirmed everything I already knew and had much more info. The book "Angels Don't Play This HAARP" has 350 different references from physicists and government officials to former military personel and FOIA, it is alarming and had very good diagrams and info as well. If you are the least bit interested in the Big Picture, get a copy and watch it with everyone you know, the end statement is the best, GET INVOLED!!




posted on Sep, 21 2013 @ 10:23 AM
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What do you already know and how can you prove what you know? What does this video demonstrate in terms of proof?

The ionosphere has nothing to do with the weather.

Nick Begich is a fraud.

ETA : He even makes a claim other ionospheric heaters do not have the power of the facility in Gakona, which is patently false.
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posted on Sep, 21 2013 @ 10:26 AM
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Yes, they decommissioned the HAARP array, rriiggghht (as if there was only one).

Me thinks a stealth dirigible with a HAARP array is much more useful anyway.

Reminds me of the 'space fence taken offline' story.

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posted on Sep, 21 2013 @ 10:35 AM
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This is actually supposed to be someone who is well informed about electromagnetic frequencies, EM Weaponry etc, so I would assume that his material and research is honest, and significant.

It would be a good idea if you could give a link to the documentary to view a bit of it. In the meantime, here is a brief synopsis of his history and credentials, and from the looks of it, he is legitimate and hardly a fraud.
www.spectrumradionetwork.com...

I would be interested in learning more about his insights into Mind Control and EM Weaponry.



posted on Sep, 21 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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tony9802
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This is actually supposed to be someone who is well informed about electromagnetic frequencies, EM Weaponry etc, so I would assume that his material and research is honest, and significant.


Yes. In order to make any FACTUAL statements concerning the subject of electromagnetic frequencies, EM weaponry, etc., you would EXPECT the person to have appropriate credentials. Please demonstrate Nick Begich has these credentials.


It would be a good idea if you could give a link to the documentary to view a bit of it. In the meantime, here is a brief synopsis of his history and credentials, and from the looks of it, he is legitimate and hardly a fraud.
www.spectrumradionetwork.com...

He lays claim to a doctorate from a diploma mill located in Sri Lanka. It is not even recognized as accredited. ETA: Take a look at [url=http://endthelie.com/2011/12/02/%E2%80%9Cdr-%E2%80%9D-nick-begich-holder-of-a-fake-doctorate-with-a-traitor-for-a-brother/#axzz2fXaKOmKK]this[/ur l]:

For those questioning the legitimacy of an honorary doctorate from a Sri Lankan complementary medicine school, your suspicions might be well founded. This “school” apparently has two websites here and here which are both far from what one would expect from a school that grants doctorates and they are not even listed by the Sri Lankan University Grants Commission which is “the apex body of the University System in Sri Lanka”. Not to mention the fact that the school is not on the official .ac.lk top level domain which is the equivalent of the .edu top level domain in the United States which is reserved for actual schools.



I would be interested in learning more about his insights into Mind Control and EM Weaponry.

He has no insights. He has an overactive imagination.
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posted on Sep, 21 2013 @ 11:11 AM
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Nick Begich is a pretty open guy, and known to be quite willing to explain himself if presented the chance. For example, there was an article written about him a couple years ago that claimed he was a fraud/fake/imposter (in no uncertain terms). You can read it here: endthelie.com...

The author of the article actually had a chance to speak with Nick personally, and cleared up some of the claims that get passed around and criticized, namely:




He also clarified the nature of his degree, which he emphasized was an honorary one. He said that his degree was conferred for his voluminous independent research and he never actually attended the institution. From what I can tell he wasn’t boasting about it as a credential, instead pointing to his books as examples of his heavily sourced research.

Begich identified himself not as a doctor or a scientist in his own right, instead calling himself a science journalist and a technology journalist, putting the complicated research of others into terms which are easily digestible by laypeople.



posted on Sep, 21 2013 @ 11:41 AM
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daddio
Bought the documentary, have Nikola Tesla's documentaries also, watched them years ago, watched the HAARP doc this morning, confirmed everything I already knew and had much more info. The book "Angels Don't Play This HAARP" has 350 different references from physicists and government officials to former military personel and FOIA, it is alarming and had very good diagrams and info as well. If you are the least bit interested in the Big Picture, get a copy and watch it with everyone you know, the end statement is the best, GET INVOLED!!


That book was actually written before HAARP was operational. I remember reading it and that there was some small concern that HAARP could start a chain reaction that may have wiped out our protective layer.



posted on Sep, 21 2013 @ 11:46 AM
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Nick Begich is a pretty open guy, and known to be quite willing to explain himself if presented the chance. For example, there was an article written about him a couple years ago that claimed he was a fraud/fake/imposter (in no uncertain terms).


Really...

He calls himself a Dr. when all he did was buy a degree...

In fact let's see where he got his degree shall we..


Begich received Doctor of Medicine (Medicina Alternitiva), honoris causa, for independent work in health and political science, from The Open International University for Complementary Medicines, Colombo, Sri Lanka, in November 1994.


www.earthpulse.com...

Now a little about that institution...


Diploma mills that sell M.D. degrees seem particularly dangerous. Lord Pandit Prof. Dr. Sir Anton Jayasuriya (1930-2005) of Sri Lanka created Medicina Alternativa International in Sri Lanka and claimed to be affiliated with The Open International University [presumably to be confused with the Open University of Sri Lanka].


skepdic.com...

I am pretty sure this makes him a fraud...



posted on Sep, 21 2013 @ 12:38 PM
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quoted from your link:

UPDATE: I just spoke to Nick Begich via telephone and I was immediately struck by the genuine kindness this man displayed. It took him about a week but he called me back and spoke to me for a few minutes, sharing his opinions on the recently passed NDAA and other issues.

I must admit, I was surprised that he returned my call and his warmth and passion was clear over the telephone. Begich even went as far as to tell me to send him my address so he could send me review copies of his books.

Clearly Begich cares about what he does and is committed to forwarding knowledge and spreading important information on a wide variety of subjects. Now, to move on from my comments on Begich’s positive character traits, he did indeed comment on his brother, Senator Mark Begich, and his decision to vote for S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) Fiscal Year 2012.

He also clarified the nature of his degree, which he emphasized was an honorary one. He said that his degree was conferred for his voluminous independent research and he never actually attended the institution. From what I can tell he wasn’t boasting about it as a credential, instead pointing to his books as examples of his heavily sourced research.

Begich identified himself not as a doctor or a scientist in his own right, instead calling himself a science journalist and a technology journalist, putting the complicated research of others into terms which are easily digestible by laypeople.

After hearing the way he described his work and his outlook, I realized that without a doubt my comments above were unwarranted and inaccurate in terms of who Begich is and what he is about.

He is not by any means using the degree as a crutch or an attempt to legitimize himself without actually doing work, as his writings prove he is committed to the spread of information and making otherwise esoteric issues accessible to everyday people.


When asked about the NDAA, Begich said that S.1867 represents a, “Huge step backwards.” It effectively overrides Posse Comitatus and Habeus Corpus, some of the most fundamental concepts on which our nation was founded.

When I asked Begich what he thought about his brother’s vote he said, “I Haven’t spoken to Mark for a year. I don’t hear from Mark.” But he made it very clear that he disagrees with his brother’s decision wholeheartedly.

Begich said that what we are seeing unfolding now with S.1867 and the KBR “National Quick Response Team” is, “Exactly what I predicted,” even before the tragic events of September 11th, 2001.

“Mark will be hearing from me and other family members at Christmas,” Begich said. I replied that I truly hoped his brother would listen as it is all too easy for our so-called representatives to ignore the opinions of the public.

Begich said that he thinks this latest development in the move towards a total fascist state could bring together the Occupy Wall Street and Tea Party movements to bring real change and justice back to our nation.

I agree with this assertion, as there are few people who would like seeing their friends, family and neighbors snatched up in the middle of the night just for being a suspected “belligerent.”

“When fear drives policy, the policy is inevitably bad,” Begich said, effectively summing up the massive failure that the NDAA represents.

His sentiment is reflected in the now classic statement from Benjamin Franklin, “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Nick Begich is clearly a man that cares about justice, freedom, and the free spread of information. The fact that he took the time out of his day to return a call from an independent journalist like myself says a lot in and of itself.

This just goes to show, you can’t judge someone until you actually get to know them and what they are about. I hope this update reflects my ability to be open minded and ready to revise my opinions when they are clearly misguided.

More at EndtheLie.com - EndtheLie.com...
he certainly looks like someone who'd be on a few hit-lists



posted on Sep, 21 2013 @ 03:40 PM
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Xtrozero

daddio
Bought the documentary, have Nikola Tesla's documentaries also, watched them years ago, watched the HAARP doc this morning, confirmed everything I already knew and had much more info. The book "Angels Don't Play This HAARP" has 350 different references from physicists and government officials to former military personel and FOIA, it is alarming and had very good diagrams and info as well. If you are the least bit interested in the Big Picture, get a copy and watch it with everyone you know, the end statement is the best, GET INVOLED!!


That book was actually written before HAARP was operational. I remember reading it and that there was some small concern that HAARP could start a chain reaction that may have wiped out our protective layer.


how do we know exactly when HAARP was brought online, i have been to Alaska and the Mount McKinley area. I have studied tesla quite in depth, he was a very brilliant human being. he had all of these ideas back before 1900. I have several friends who are Ph.D physicists. We have discussed this at length. The whole bit about holes being in the ozone layer back in the 70's is a good indication that something was being used back then, we have heard nothing after that time. I think these claims back int he 70's was done on purpose to mislead people, environmentalists into doing the governments dirty work unknowingly. If you understand the molecule and the electron and proton and how they interact, it is very easy to see how frequence makes them "dance". Here is an interesting thought, when you add heat to metal, it starts to melt as the protons and electrons are accelerated, when you freeze them you slow them down and when cold enough the molecule has to release the proton and or elctron and the material or mass falls apart, breaks. Hmmm what a funky thought.

I work with metals everyday and sonics, sound waves. We can straighten warped material by using a vibratory frequence to release the stresses. The metal does get hot while on the machine, it is a very high frequence. Some welders will have heard of this process.

I have a huge problem with ignorance on this site. People want everything handed to them, do your own damn research or go to school like some of us have, I didn't spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours going to school to argue with people who can't comprehend matter and mass or the elements or electricity.

research Tesla's work first and then you'll get it...... maybe.



posted on Sep, 21 2013 @ 07:24 PM
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daddio

how do we know exactly when HAARP was brought online, i have been to Alaska and the Mount McKinley area.


It wasn't operational...well unless they were operating as they built it. My point was the book was written with the author talking about the possibilities of what could happen once they fired it up.


I have studied tesla quite in depth, he was a very brilliant human being. he had all of these ideas back before 1900. I have several friends who are Ph.D physicists. We have discussed this at length. The whole bit about holes being in the ozone layer back in the 70's is a good indication that something was being used back then,


ChloroFluoroCarbons? Actually the term holes is incorrect. There are only 2 holes with one of them (Antarctica) being the big one. The rest is more of a thinning, not holes like if they were burnt. The Antarctica hole grows with winter and shrinks in summer, so this could be all natural with help from us humans that causes it to be bigger than normal.


Here is an interesting thought, when you add heat to metal, it starts to melt as the protons and electrons are accelerated, when you freeze them you slow them down and when cold enough the molecule has to release the proton and or elctron and the material or mass falls apart, breaks. Hmmm what a funky thought.


Why do I feel like you are being condescending... so what does this have to do with ozone? Ozone is where 3 oxygen molecule combine in an unstable mass. UV light breaks it a part, so does CFC, but one CFC molecule can do it over and over, which is what makes it dangerous with massive amounts of CFC pump into the atmosphere from all over the earth.

The idea that HAARP would do massive damage by burning holes is kind of stupid when one actually thinks about how big the earth is.



I have a huge problem with ignorance on this site. People want everything handed to them, do your own damn research or go to school like some of us have, I didn't spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours going to school to argue with people who can't comprehend matter and mass or the elements or electricity.


Really?....

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posted on Sep, 21 2013 @ 07:44 PM
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tony9802
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This is actually supposed to be someone who is well informed about electromagnetic frequencies, EM Weaponry etc, so I would assume that his material and research is honest, and significant.

It would be a good idea if you could give a link to the documentary to view a bit of it. In the meantime, here is a brief synopsis of his history and credentials, and from the looks of it, he is legitimate and hardly a fraud.
www.spectrumradionetwork.com...
I looked at your link and came to the completely opposite conclusion.
It's kind of funny too that your link is telling me to buy viagra online before it even starts to talk about him...what a link. From here take the link to his website and it's obvious his credentials are useless.

He looks completely not legitimate and completely a fraud from the materials you posted. As others have said even his claim to being a Dr. is fraudulent.



posted on Sep, 21 2013 @ 07:57 PM
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totallackey

tony9802
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This is actually supposed to be someone who is well informed about electromagnetic frequencies, EM Weaponry etc, so I would assume that his material and research is honest, and significant.


Yes. In order to make any FACTUAL statements concerning the subject of electromagnetic frequencies, EM weaponry, etc., you would EXPECT the person to have appropriate credentials. Please demonstrate Nick Begich has these credentials.


It would be a good idea if you could give a link to the documentary to view a bit of it. In the meantime, here is a brief synopsis of his history and credentials, and from the looks of it, he is legitimate and hardly a fraud.
www.spectrumradionetwork.com...

He lays claim to a doctorate from a diploma mill located in Sri Lanka. It is not even recognized as accredited. ETA: Take a look at [url=http://endthelie.com/2011/12/02/%E2%80%9Cdr-%E2%80%9D-nick-begich-holder-of-a-fake-doctorate-with-a-traitor-for-a-brother/#axzz2fXaKOmKK]this[/ur l]:

For those questioning the legitimacy of an honorary doctorate from a Sri Lankan complementary medicine school, your suspicions might be well founded. This “school” apparently has two websites here and here which are both far from what one would expect from a school that grants doctorates and they are not even listed by the Sri Lankan University Grants Commission which is “the apex body of the University System in Sri Lanka”. Not to mention the fact that the school is not on the official .ac.lk top level domain which is the equivalent of the .edu top level domain in the United States which is reserved for actual schools.



I would be interested in learning more about his insights into Mind Control and EM Weaponry.

He has no insights. He has an overactive imagination.
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Nick Begich knows the things he does not because of education but because of breeding. The Begich family has deep political roots.



posted on Sep, 21 2013 @ 08:14 PM
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Here is an interesting thought, when you add heat to metal, it starts to melt as the protons and electrons are accelerated, when you freeze them you slow them down and when cold enough the molecule has to release the proton and or elctron and the material or mass falls apart, breaks. Hmmm what a funky thought.


When you heat a metal the motion of the molecules increases which leads to a change in phase from solid to liquid. Heating a metal does not affect its subatomic particles (electrons, protons, etc.)

In order to cause an atom to lose an electron you ionize it. Metals don't really ionize so much by heating or cooling.

The only way to cause an atom to lose a proton is by nuclear fission. Cooling something does not lead to nuclear fission, nor does heating it.


I have a huge problem with ignorance on this site.
No kidding. To decrease your level of ignorance, please study cyclotron resonance and try to understand that it deals with charged particles held in a magnetic field.
 

Tesla was a very good inventor and engineer but his grasp of electromagnetism was very flawed. It's also somewhat ironic to combine his memory with HAARP since he did not even believe that the iononsphere exists.

Terrestrial phenomena which I have noted conclusively show that there is no Heaviside layer, or if it exists, it is of no effect.
www.tfcbooks.com...
 

Begich is a con-man. I enjoyed the Jesse Ventura clip where he cons Ventura into thinking that he was sending auditory signals directly into his brain. Of course, it's appropriate that he was using bone conducting headphones. Not hard to fool a bonehead, but how can you take someone who would pull such a stunt seriously? How can you take anyone seriously who uses a piece of paper from a diploma mill to put a "Dr." in front of his name.
www.youtube.com...
en.wikipedia.org...


The University readily agreed to award a doctorate on Falguni Mehta soon after receiving her application and subsequently conferred it when she paid $195 as legal notarisation fee.
www.expressindia.com...


"A colleague determined that there was an 'OUI' in Sri Lanka, but it is called Open International University for complementary medicine, and it is not an accredited medical school.' For an additional fee of $400-US, outstanding students are awarded an M.D. (which is their abbreviation for Masters Degree) or other degrees such as B.Science, or extra credentials. (Parenthetical comment his.)

"We were told that 'OIU' has additional prizes such as 'the Albert Schweitzer Award and Knighthood' (for an additional fee of $400-US)." (Parenthetical comment his.)

www.chiroweb.com...
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posted on Sep, 22 2013 @ 12:16 AM
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scientist
Nick Begich is a pretty open guy, and known to be quite willing to explain himself if presented the chance. For example, there was an article written about him a couple years ago that claimed he was a fraud/fake/imposter (in no uncertain terms). You can read it here: endthelie.com...

The author of the article actually had a chance to speak with Nick personally, and cleared up some of the claims that get passed around and criticized, namely:




He also clarified the nature of his degree, which he emphasized was an honorary one. He said that his degree was conferred for his voluminous independent research and he never actually attended the institution. From what I can tell he wasn’t boasting about it as a credential, instead pointing to his books as examples of his heavily sourced research.

Begich identified himself not as a doctor or a scientist in his own right, instead calling himself a science journalist and a technology journalist, putting the complicated research of others into terms which are easily digestible by laypeople.


So what you are saying is he has no credentials and has no expertise in this area and he's a "journalist" trying to make people believe in his "science"?



posted on Sep, 22 2013 @ 07:07 AM
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totallackey

tony9802
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This is actually supposed to be someone who is well informed about electromagnetic frequencies, EM Weaponry etc, so I would assume that his material and research is honest, and significant.


Yes. In order to make any FACTUAL statements concerning the subject of electromagnetic frequencies, EM weaponry, etc., you would EXPECT the person to have appropriate credentials. Please demonstrate Nick Begich has these credentials.


It would be a good idea if you could give a link to the documentary to view a bit of it. In the meantime, here is a brief synopsis of his history and credentials, and from the looks of it, he is legitimate and hardly a fraud.
www.spectrumradionetwork.com...

He lays claim to a doctorate from a diploma mill located in Sri Lanka. It is not even recognized as accredited. ETA: Take a look at [url=http://endthelie.com/2011/12/02/%E2%80%9Cdr-%E2%80%9D-nick-begich-holder-of-a-fake-doctorate-with-a-traitor-for-a-brother/#axzz2fXaKOmKK]this[/ur l]:

For those questioning the legitimacy of an honorary doctorate from a Sri Lankan complementary medicine school, your suspicions might be well founded. This “school” apparently has two websites here and here which are both far from what one would expect from a school that grants doctorates and they are not even listed by the Sri Lankan University Grants Commission which is “the apex body of the University System in Sri Lanka”. Not to mention the fact that the school is not on the official .ac.lk top level domain which is the equivalent of the .edu top level domain in the United States which is reserved for actual schools.



I would be interested in learning more about his insights into Mind Control and EM Weaponry.

He has no insights. He has an overactive imagination.
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Nick Begich knows the things he does not because of education but because of breeding. The Begich family has deep political roots.


Deep political roots? This translates into knowledge of EM frequencies and EM weaponry? Is there some strange symbiotic relationship here at play?

I have listened to Begich. Not once does he mention his personal background or his family as a basis for "expert," authority.



posted on Sep, 22 2013 @ 08:12 AM
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So what you are saying is he has no credentials


That is exactly what is being said..



posted on Sep, 23 2013 @ 12:46 PM
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OccamsRazor04
So what you are saying is he has no credentials and has no expertise in this area and he's a "journalist" trying to make people believe in his "science"?


No, I said what I said. That he seems to be receptive of criticism, and open to answering questions regarding his work. It also appears that he doesn't bank on his degrees, and claims they are honorary. I can't speak on his credentials at all, and as everyone has pointed out, they are probably non-existent anyways, from an 'official' academic point of view.

I personally believe that his work is important, and stirring up interest in the ionopshere and the technology behind HAARP isn't a bad thing, even if his facts are off (which I'm not claiming are or aren't). The documentary of HAARP which featured the actual specialists working on the program didn't seem to understand much of it either--so as far as having credentials in this very particular area, I'd be weary of anyone claiming to be an expert.



posted on Sep, 23 2013 @ 07:49 PM
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Why would we need more discussion on HAARP when everyone with actual credentials laughs at people like him saying there is no possibility in what he says is true? How about you find actual science that backs up something then we talk.



posted on Sep, 24 2013 @ 10:50 AM
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OccamsRazor04
Why would we need more discussion on HAARP


I'm still personally fascinated by the claims and implications of the technology.


OccamsRazor04
Why would we need more discussion on HAARP when everyone with actual credentials laughs at people like him saying there is no possibility in what he says is true?


Although I don't believe you intend to develop a meaningful exchange, I'll play along. Please, provide a list of "everyone with actual credentials" that laughs at HAARP claims. I'm more than just superficially interested in the topic. However, I'd like to know what the claims are regarding actual purposes of HAARP. It's not as informative to just hear that other people "laugh" at someone's theory. Plenty of people have laughed at geniuses throughout history. It takes more courage and insight to provide an alternate explanation, instead of just nonconstructive criticism.


OccamsRazor04
How about you find actual science that backs up something then we talk.


I missed the part where you posted any actual science. I also missed the part where we were all waiting on your approval to continue the discussion.





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