Just get rid of them all

I'm serious, need to vote out ever single one of the people that are in washington in the nexct elections get some new blood in there, I dont know maybe some people with some common sense? I mean dam how hard can it be to sit down at a talbe with the other side and hammer out a dam deal. O and by the way, if we are so close to yet another fiscal crisis, why the hell isnt the preisdent in washington trying to hammer out a deal, Instead he is out on the raod talking crap about the repubs his ass should be in DC meeting with both sides coming to a common goal not talking kaka about onesdie of the isle, but hey thats juts my two bits, one more thing why are we having there debt limit battles every 8 months or so is it becasue the prez hasnt got a budget passed at all during his terms, wouldnt that put the blame squarley on his sahoulds for all the spending battles in washinton?

reply to post by Czulkang


the g=v you see isn't the one in charge and isn't the one pulling the strings if you haven't figured that out yet.

You can vote in whoever you want, but once the lobbyist get a hold of them, you realize nothing is ever gonna change.

spartacus699
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the g=v you see isn't the one in charge and isn't the one pulling the strings if you haven't figured that out yet.

With all due respect, your position is what this Government absolutely loves to hear and gets downright physically aroused to consider more coming to accept.

It gives every last one of them a 100% real free pass on everything they do....because we just blame 'higher powers' no one can see, name or even articulate in a way that makes sense.

The elected leaders making direct decisions to insure our lives are just a bit more complicated and a little worse than they had to be, couldn't ask for more from us than the belief they aren't even in control of their own actions.

reply to post by Czulkang

We must remove official power and officials gradually and peacefully from the local level upwards.

Recall elections, town meetings, budget cuts, firings and if necessary legal action.

No animosity, we must incorporate those newly reintegrated citizens who are ideologically sympathetic to our cause, to the cause. At each stage we will gain allies and informed consultants who will help us to proceed to the next stage and bring additional legitimacy to the austerity movement.

I think this is the mechanism our forefathers intended for us to employ. Not revolution, vigilant and informed relibertification (word?).

reply to post by greencmp

Where were you during Occupy? Oh...The movement could have done SO much good with more like minded people to approaching public outreach that way. Your words are what I'd so hoped to see happen, but never did. Antagonizing and outright fighting the public, not building power base among common folk, is all it ever turned out to be.

You really sum it up well there...and it means work. Work for every one of us, or most of us ...or it doesn't work. It never can.

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I agree. This is the only way it will work.

By playing the Chinease long game if you like.

If every one can come around to this way of thiking and avoid the divide and conquer traps that will be set out along the way.

I don't think it will solve all the crises though, things are too far gone now for that, the tipping point has come and gone. All that can be done now is to salvage what we can by bringing in true people that want whats best for the people.

Wrabbit2000
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Where were you during Occupy? Oh...The movement could have done SO much good with more like minded people to approaching public outreach that way. Your words are what I'd so hoped to see happen, but never did. Antagonizing and outright fighting the public, not building power base among common folk, is all it ever turned out to be.

You really sum it up well there...and it means work. Work for every one of us, or most of us ...or it doesn't work. It never can.

In many ways, my attitude has evolved as a result of watching occupy and the tea party. I have also come to believe that the principals of liberty and freedom do not require leadership or political organization. On the catallactics side, since it is a law of nature rather than a system, it requires no plan.

Ultimately, it cannot be a political party, it must be anarchic. Where to stop and how is the main question yet to be resolved. But, not starting because of that concern is no longer an option. It does still bother me a bit but no where near the way it used to. My hope is that we can 'settle' for getting our constitutional republic back once it is clear that we will accept nothing less.

I stopped voting for incumbent politicians years back. But it appears that idea isn't held by the majority. I get the impression most people vote for whoever they voted for last time. Must be too much work to change the mind and mark a different name. Of recent, not much a chance of doing worst with even a random pick.

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There is no such thing as "a vote"

They have been prodding the populace to jump offsides in violence with flooding the news about police brutality, disarming you, gutting your bank accounts, and poisoning you with GMOs and chemicals the last 13 years. Yeah very much like Egypt, Syria etc.

reply to post by greencmp


That's the same attitude I've had since Occupy, if I read you right. I don't agree with Socialists or Communists or a whole lot of ism's. ism's seem to do more harm than good. All of 'em. lol...

No one has to agree with everyone else though, eh? If we, collectively, can get far enough where those differences matter for more than academic debate, it can all be worked out between folks then. Just getting there takes us all though, and all working together. Not at each others throats....as the system is so determined to keep us. If we aren't apathetic to the point of 'Mehh... Who cares? Voting don't matter anyway', then they want us viciously partisan. United is something they fear the most, IMO.

reply to post by Czulkang


We need normal people in office. No incumbents and no one who has ever previously ran for or held a political position.

This is only way off this train wreck waiting to happen.

Wrabbit2000
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That's the same attitude I've had since Occupy, if I read you right. I don't agree with Socialists or Communists or a whole lot of ism's. ism's seem to do more harm than good. All of 'em. lol...

No one has to agree with everyone else though, eh? If we, collectively, can get far enough where those differences matter for more than academic debate, it can all be worked out between folks then. Just getting there takes us all though, and all working together. Not at each others throats....as the system is so determined to keep us. If we aren't apathetic to the point of 'Mehh... Who cares? Voting don't matter anyway', then they want us viciously partisan. United is something they fear the most, IMO.

edit on 21-9-2013 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

Yes, the only 'ism' I use is individualism which is synonymous with anarchy.

If you carefully inspect the declaration of independence, constitution and, most importantly, the bill of rights, it is clear that the founders had very similar if not identical attitudes. They just rightly determined that some form of government was needed and they decided to award each and every specific responsibility to it withholding any and all powers not expressly delegated or anticipated.

We were, actually, the first anarchy if you simply go by the definition of 'without a monarch'.

Given the broad spectrum of philosophical beliefs held by various people, no dominant ideology should be in control. A sneaky trick in a way since my ideology is, I believe, the de facto nature of ungoverned humanity.

Wrabbit2000

spartacus699
the g=v you see isn't the one in charge and isn't the one pulling the strings if you haven't figured that out yet.

With all due respect, your position is what this Government absolutely loves to hear and gets downright physically aroused to consider more coming to accept.

It gives every last one of them a 100% real free pass on everything they do....because we just blame 'higher powers' no one can see, name or even articulate in a way that makes sense.

They can only get aroused and play this game until the tipping point. At some point, the common man will start to get aroused with visions of feeding this criminal trash into a wood chipper.

I hear Vermeer makes some good products.

It seems doubtful we could ever restore our liberties and freedoms, let along our privacies that are now all but totally gone. We see who the "government" labels as potential terrorists, those who refer to the Constitution, to our Bill of Rights, and who organize locally to make reforms. Many of us who feel a spirit of patriotism and love for the American Way that is now forgotten are who our government now fear most, which includes anyone who questions or rejects their nefarious agendas, and they will do all in their power to put us down.

Expect it to come in a short amount of time when individualists and freedom-lovers will be carted of to the gulags never to be seen or heard from again. Couple that with the huge number of authoritarians who live among us, those you encounter here in these forums who insist on blind obedience and adhereance to the propoganda put out over each event that occurs that closes our society even tighter and brings us a step closer to a police-controlled state, and you will see that our only hope for a brighter tomorrow may only come after a total collapse due to a rotten core within. But even that won't ensure us our freedom once again, it will be require a fight against corruptive and oppressive forces, against those who feel only strict governance is the only way for a society to live. Just remember when it comes time for that fight where strict authority has taken us this time, where it has taken every society in history that has taken that path.

When so many of us yearn for freedom there are just as many others that wish to be led around and will refuse to take responsibility for themselves. It will be an uphill battle either way.

reply to post by Czulkang

I'm serious, need to vote out ever single one of the people that are in washington in the nexct elections get some new blood in there, I dont know maybe some people with some common sense?

As long as we keep accepting a private central bank"s currency as legitimate it won't matter who's in office, the new leaders will be as dependent upon and as shackled to the creators of that "money" as the old leaders ~ as are the rest of us.

Wooden nickels might be an improvement.

Where theres money to be made, it wont matter who you vote in. They will change their stance, and sell their children for money!

I treat politicians like crackheads. Dont trust them and DONT give them money!

the problem is that anyone with such an inflated sense of self-worth/ego, that considers themselves worthy of public office... that type of personality is a double-edged sword. Necessary to become a public figure, but also can be a key weakness (vanity). Perhaps we should figure out a way of electing people that don't necessarily WANT the job, but would be good for it. Sounds ridiculous on the surface, but it would make a fascinating experiment.

scientist
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Perhaps we should figure out a way of electing people that don't necessarily WANT the job, but would be good for it. Sounds ridiculous on the surface, but it would make a fascinating experiment.

I have often thought about that very idea. Wanting the job so much seems to often be a weakness that gets exploited. And I agree with the personality issue.

What a day when becoming a political office holder is like jury duty.

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What a day when becoming a political office holder is like jury duty.

First idea I have heard that merits consideration for a new amendment to the constitution.

We shall call it the Cincinnatus/Washington amendment!