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DZAG Wright
reply to post by Wiz4769
I like the way obamacare would ALLOW entreprenuers to have healthcare! No longer would your healthcare be tied to you having a job working for someone.
If you desire to sell peanuts for a living and is satisfied you will be allowed to do this and still have healthcare. As it is now, unless you are rich, you are forced to work toward making someone else rich simply to have healthcare. That is slavery to me!
Where are all the "true Americans" who remember when America was about creating your own?
I bet plenty of you didn't know obamacare does this for you?
DZAG Wright
reply to post by Wiz4769
Sorry for DP! computer acting up!edit on 20-9-2013 by Phoenix because: (no reason given)
Quadrivium
For all of you who are pro Obamacare:
What has the government ever created that has not turned into waste and abuse?
Seriously. ..................
Are you really so blinded that you believe this will be different?
Quad
teamcommander
Quadrivium
For all of you who are pro Obamacare:
What has the government ever created that has not turned into waste and abuse?
Seriously. ..................
Are you really so blinded that you believe this will be different?
Quad
I take it you have never heard of Social Security Or Medi-Care.
I am well aware of the "terrible abuses" which take place in each of these programs and I know you will never acknowledge any good has come from them; and you can't be wrong.
Of course, you are aware you can opt out of the Social Security program, not have deductions taken from your paycheck, and burn your Social Security card. But then when you reach retirement age you can't draw from the program and just hope you don't get sick. Also should you get married and/or have kids they will not be allowed to draw from your benefits.
But, I am sure you have already done this, so why are you really concered about it?edit on 21-9-2013 by teamcommander because: spelling
AlienScience
reply to post by hounddoghowlie
Because it isn't worthy of a vote, it is pure party politics. This is all the Republican controlled house has down...pass partisan bills that aren't allowed through committee or allowed to have amendments submitted to them by anyone (so democrats have zero say) and then pass the bill on pure party lines (not a single democrat voted for this in the house).
Also, to defund the ACA at this point without having something to replace it is a horrible idea. Defunding doesn't remove the laws or regulations, all it does is remove the assistance given to low income people to help them purchase the mandated insurance. Without the assistance, they will all still be fined because the law is still law. Also, it would hurt hospitals because they wouldn't be getting assistance either.
If they think the goal is to make the law unenforceable, then what they will be doing is putting a lot of people with pre-existing conditions in a horrible situation as they will all be dropped immediately from their policies and then never be able to get new policies. Kids who are currently benefiting from the ACA and getting desperately needed treatment will be turned away and left to die because insurance companies are no longer forced to cover them.
The bottom line is that Republicans trying to defund the ACA is an immature and cowardly act. If they are actually serious about a solution, don't vote to repeal it or defund it...they should come up with their own replacement plan and vote to pass that.
Since they aren't putting forth a replacement bill, and only voting over and over on repealing and defunding, you can tell they aren't serious and just playing partisan/election politics.
But you guys go ahead and continue to cheer them on.
AngryCymraeg
reply to post by Quadrivium
America's lack of healthcare until this point has been a national scandal. Oh and the Republicans can vote to defund it until they're blue in the face. It's not going to happen. Why can't they get on with more productive things like planning to replace America's rotting infrastructure? You know what - that might help boost the economy!!!edit on 21-9-2013 by AngryCymraeg because: (no reason given)
marg6043
reply to post by DZAG Wright
Obamacrap is just that crap and the poor will still no be able to have healthcare without expansion of Medicaid and is not going to be free, Obamacrap is an insurance business con dream come true, no wonder they wrote it.
Wake up and smell what the corporate dictatorship is doing to America they are forcing commerce by taxing you to death.
Masterjaden
AlienScience
reply to post by hounddoghowlie
Because it isn't worthy of a vote, it is pure party politics. This is all the Republican controlled house has down...pass partisan bills that aren't allowed through committee or allowed to have amendments submitted to them by anyone (so democrats have zero say) and then pass the bill on pure party lines (not a single democrat voted for this in the house).
Also, to defund the ACA at this point without having something to replace it is a horrible idea. Defunding doesn't remove the laws or regulations, all it does is remove the assistance given to low income people to help them purchase the mandated insurance. Without the assistance, they will all still be fined because the law is still law. Also, it would hurt hospitals because they wouldn't be getting assistance either.
If they think the goal is to make the law unenforceable, then what they will be doing is putting a lot of people with pre-existing conditions in a horrible situation as they will all be dropped immediately from their policies and then never be able to get new policies. Kids who are currently benefiting from the ACA and getting desperately needed treatment will be turned away and left to die because insurance companies are no longer forced to cover them.
The bottom line is that Republicans trying to defund the ACA is an immature and cowardly act. If they are actually serious about a solution, don't vote to repeal it or defund it...they should come up with their own replacement plan and vote to pass that.
Since they aren't putting forth a replacement bill, and only voting over and over on repealing and defunding, you can tell they aren't serious and just playing partisan/election politics.
But you guys go ahead and continue to cheer them on.
Oh but the children!!!! how can we be so callous... F them... F you, and F everyone else who thinks that it within yours or anyone's authority to tell me what I must do and to support everyone else's lives. It is NOT...
IT's not my responsibility and it is not within their or your authority.
Everyone seems to think that Americans won't do anything... Some people have known it, especially foreign countries. Americans are sleeping tigers, there will come a time in the near future at the rate we're going that the tail stepping will be enough to wake them up and God help us all if that happens.
I don't know why people feel the need to have so much control over other people and can't just let freedom ring...The good and the bad of it. It is so much better. PEople will and do help other people when not coerced.
I know I would and do...
Jaden
BritofTexas
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The Rabid Right don't want to abolish Obamacare because they think it won't work and is bad for the country.
They want to abolish it beacause they know it will work and is good for the country.
BritofTexas
beezzer
BritofTexas
beezzer
reply to post by AlienScience
This ACA-TAX is just a precursor to a complete government take-over, single-payer style system.
We can but hope.
For those of you who look forward to a complete government run society, you may get your wish. You have good reason to be happy.
I've experienced access to Healthcare on both sides of the pond, one truly Government run and one a wealth lottery and an illness away from bankruptcy.
Single Payer is the way forward for this country.