SUBMISSION : THE VIDEO THAT KILLED THEO VAN GOGH

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posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 07:38 PM
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SUBMISSION VIDEO

Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh (yes, that van Gogh) was assassinated November 2, 2004, by a 26-year-old extremist Muslim of Dutch-Moroccan descent. The current theory is that he was taken down for his critical look at the treatment of Muslim women. It's not a documentary, but a metaphorical look at the harsh realities of their lives. (In English with Dutch subtitles.)

What Does "Sacrilege" Mean in a Free Society?

One of our Muslim viewers shared his opinion on this film: "We, the Muslims, aren't outraged by the supposed 'message' of the film, but by the disrespect of the Holy Quran, which has hurt us so much. ...did they have to write the verses of Quran on the nude body of a female? ...Muslims cannot even touch the holy Quran, let alone read it, without proper ablution... One has to be properly dressed, and treat [it] with utmost respect. It cannot be placed on the ground. If the holy book is old and worn out it cannot be just dumped into the bin. ...I want to ask you, does freedom of expression mean hurting people's feelings? If yes, then Ayan and Gogh have hurt the feelings of a billion people around the world."

From a Dutch citizen living in the U.S.:
"Submission is about domestic abuse of women in Muslim households. The film makes it very clear that the Koran does not promote that kind of abuse. ...I can only think of the millions of women suffering verbal and physical abuse in the name of a religion whose origins (the Koran) did not set out to hurt them."

Credits and Additional Info
Directed by: Theo Van Gogh
Distributed by: IFILM
Run Time: Runtime: 11:00
Release Year: 2004

www.ifilm.com...

artbishop writes: "While we strongly condemn the killing of Van Gogh...and did not see the whole film...this 11 minute clip is enough to see the violent anti moslem bigotry that van gogh and the message in his film portrays.

Christians and Jews beat up and rape their wives too in the name of god...Martin Luther used to box his wife in the ears every now and then to "put the fear of the lord into her".

This religioerotic propaganda is the most outstanding outrageous slur on the islamic religion that the world has seen so far.,,showing a WOMAN NAKED IN PRAYER.

Again while we do not condone the killing of van gogh,,,make that we condemn the killing of van gogh in the strongest of terms...Van Gogh and his ilk who spread hatred and intolerance and anti islamoarabism that fan the flames of hatred and widens the gap between human beings who are trying desperately to live in peace...are better off dead.Watch the Video. You be the judge"

[Edited on 13-11-2004 by artbishop2020]




posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 08:50 PM
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Muslims cannot even touch the holy Quran, let alone read it, without proper ablution... One has to be properly dressed, and treat [it] with utmost respect. It cannot be placed on the ground. If the holy book is old and worn out it cannot be just dumped into the bin.


I remember about five years ago when there was some consternation about the placing of copies of the Koran on the shelves of the local bookstore.
The storekeeper had placed the religious books in alphabetical order Starting with the Bhagavad Gita then the Bible and the Koran. Unfortunately the Koran ended up at the bottom of the shelf.

Muslims complained about this and eventually the storekeeper moved the books so that it was at the top. There was some anger in places with Christians complaining that if they had made the same demands with regards the Bible, they would have been ignored.

It didn't make an ounce of difference to me.



posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 06:02 PM
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what has bin happening lately on this front?

any more churches burnt?

any mosques?

anyone have any news?



posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 08:06 PM
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does anybody really give two #s whats happening to the dutch?



posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 08:07 PM
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i mean if we didnt give two #s for what happened on 911 and the fact that bin laden was our lee harvey oswald and that only bush and co couldve done it.





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