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Topic started on 13-11-2004 @ 07:28 PM by thirddensity

I've been reading up on secret societies and have come acros a few references that point to the Illuminati beginning in Afganistan. They went/go by the name of Roshaniya--illuminated ones. Some of what I have read also points the the Assassins originating from the Roshaniya as well.

www.alamut.com...

If any of this is true, could this be one of the real reasons we are in the Middle East?

seekers.100megs6.com...

Of special interest is the powerful society in Afghanistan in ancient times called the Roshaniya--illuminated ones. There are actually references to this mystical cult going back through history to the House of Wisdom at Cairo. The major tenets of this cult were: the abolition of private property; the elimination of religion; the elimination of nation states; the belief that illumination emanated from the Supreme Being who desired a class of perfect men and women to carry out the organization and direction of the world; belief in a plan to reshape the social system of the world by first taking control of individual countries one by one, and the belief that after reaching the fourth degree one could communicate directly with the unknown supervisors who had imparted knowledge to initiates throughout the ages. Wise men will again recognize the Brotherhood.

The important fact to remember is that the leaders of both the right and the left are a small, hard core of men who have been and still are Illuminists or members of the Brotherhood. They may have been or may be members of the Christian or Jewish religions, but that is only to further their own ends. They give allegiance to no particular nation, although they have used nationalism to further their causes. Their only concern is to gain greater economic and political power. The ultimate objective of the leaders of both groups is identical. They are determined to win for themselves undisputed control of the wealth, natural resources, and manpower of the entire planet. They intend to turn the world into their conception of a totalitarian socialist state. In the process they will eliminate all Christians, Jews, and atheists. You have just learned one, but only one, of the great mysteries.

The Roshaniya also called themselves the Order. Initiates took an oath that absolved them of all allegiance except to the Order and stated, "I bind myself to perpetual silence and unshaken loyalty and submission to the Order....All humanity which cannot identify itself by our secret sign is our lawful prey." The oath remains essentially the same to this day. The secret sign was to pass a hand over the forehead, palm inward; the countersign, to hold the ear with the fingers and support the elbow in the cupped other hand. Does that sound familiar? The Order is the Order of the Quest. The cult preached that there was a spirit state completely different from life as we know it. The spirit could continue to be powerful on earth through a member of the Order, but only if the spirit had been itself a member of the Order before its death. Thus members of the Order gained power from the spirits of the dead members.

The Roshaniya took in travelers as initiates and then sent them on their way to found new chapters of the Order. It is believed by some that the Assassins were a branch of the Roshaniya. Branches of the Roshaniya or "the illuminated ones" or the Illuminati existed and still exist everywhere. One of the rules was not to use the same name and never mention "the Illuminati." That rule is still in effect today. I believe that it is the breaking of this rule that resulted in Adam Weishaupt's downfall.

reply posted on 13-11-2004 @ 08:02 PM by theron dunn

No, the illuminati was home grown in Barvaria, as a means of fighting against the extant government, by men of intellectual esteem, hence the name Illuminati or illuminated ones.

It was founded by Adam Weishaupt, and within sixty years no longer existed except as a boogeyman for konspiracy kooks to gnaw over.

reply posted on 13-11-2004 @ 08:10 PM by Jamuhn

I thought there was only the Bavarian one as well, but it seems there are more....

So, what do we know about this Illuminated Order being in existance today? Are there members that claim allegiance to this group at present?

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reply posted on 13-11-2004 @ 10:14 PM by thirddensity

Originally posted by theron dunn
No, the illuminati was home grown in Barvaria, as a means of fighting against the extant government, by men of intellectual esteem, hence the name Illuminati or illuminated ones.

It was founded by Adam Weishaupt, and within sixty years no longer existed except as a boogeyman for konspiracy kooks to gnaw over.

Isn't conspiracy what ATS is all about? According to the things I've read the Bavarian Illuminati came together as an offshoot of the Assassins, which in turn was an offshoot of the Roshaniya.

If you haven't yet please read the above articles and let me know your opinions. The way I look at it is this. There is virtually no information available on the Roshaniya after the 16th century that I can find. Due to the fact that is is/was a secret society, I wil keep the opinion for the time being that they do indded still exist.

Any and all information that anyone has in either positive or negative light on this topic would be treasured.

reply posted on 13-11-2004 @ 10:27 PM by twitchy

I think you might be talking about these guys...
www.landborgen.net...
There is alot of conflicting information on them, but they are definately not the illuminati, at least as far as the mainstream ideals of the illuminati. They were famous for smoking hashish before they went on a mission, and they were greatly feared in eastern culture at the time. Christian history books claim that they were doped on hashish to brainwash them into doing thier killing, but everything I have read on them otherwise would tend to suggest their use of hashish was to heighten their senses, etc. Interesting group of guys the hashashin, but I don't think they fit the profile of the illuminati.

reply posted on 13-11-2004 @ 10:30 PM by Masonic Light

Originally posted by thirddensity

Isn't conspiracy what ATS is all about?

It is about denying ignorance. Some conspiracy theorists are around, but do not represent everyone here.

According to the things I've read the Bavarian Illuminati came together as an offshoot of the Assassins, which in turn was an offshoot of the Roshaniya.

No serious researches, even those who opposed the Illuminati, would make any such claims. The Illuminati had nothing to do with the Assassins, or any other oriental orders. The Illuminati did have loose ties to Freemasonry, but they were completely independent, and the organization was invented and created by Adam Weishaupt and Adolph Von Knigge. The purpose of the Illuminati was originally to be a fellowship club for liberal intellectuals; eventually, they evolved into a revolutionary secret society who proposed the overthrow of the Bavarian Electorate, and the establishment of a democracy in its place.

Fiat Lvx.

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