reply to post by LittleByLittle
I agree on the basis that we should all have the self respect to choose what we will accept as truth and resist the rest. And the simple truth of the
bible (test amen T) isn't hard to find if you care to use your own judgment boldly, and connect the dots...like the one you provided: the ravening
wolf, I will connect the second dot here: It is found at the end of Genesis chapter 49...
I'll tell you what is happening to Christians because of this doctrine. They are conforming to the "beast" who is the church and this faith. They
are the "members" of the "body" of Christ. Sound familiar? They all have the "mind of Christ". They have all conformed to this body and mind,
profess to have the "holy spirit" or "wholly" spirit which is just the "spirit" they share because they have been united under one mind. They
have denied themselves and offered their lives up for this sake. All of this is being carried out in plain English throughout that 2/3 of the new
testament. They still "reign with Christ 1000 years" - sound familiar? Then the "beast" will be loosed after that 1000 years?
I'd like to see the people of the world start believing in themselves so that we all actually care to work together, and take individual
responsibility for all of the work that needs to be done in this world. While Christians congregate and are taught they are special and to be isolated
from the world, they become a single, worthless beast that only cares about it's own salvation.
Here is something to consider and study further if interested. Just a theory, and an example of how closely we should pay attention:
24 And God said, LET the earth bring forth the living creature AFTER HIS KIND
, cattle, and creeping thing, and BEAST of the earth AFTER HIS
: and it was so
there are TWO "KINDS" mentioned that the earth brought forth
(based only on GOD's COMMAND, NOT created by God, but brought forth in
OBEDIENCE to his words)
1) all living things were brought about NATURALLY according to their kind
2) all other things that "assembled" -The cattle and CREEPING "THING" (singular)
and BEAST OF THE EARTH AFTER HIS KIND
, -these are
ONE, the BEAST, and made of many MEMBERS of the FLOCK (cattle)
"members of one body," sound familiar?
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and
God saw that it was good.
NOW is says that that God "made"
..and NOW there are THREE KINDS being made by God:
1)BEAST OF THE EARTH (church) - or body
2)CATTLE (assemblies, denominations)
3)EVERY THING THAT CREEPETH - basically saying, "everything of the like" according to its own kind
...these things were made, based on the what earth "brought forth"
Did you catch what happened? in verse 24
, the earth brought forth the "all living things"
FIRST....and apart from the rest
(assemblies) as indicated by the 2 kinds mentioned.
But in verse 25
, having actually been MADE, the Beast is listed FIRST, and the "all living things"
(or those created NATURALLY) is
omitted, and then it lists the assemblies, according to their KIND (as a units).
Why? because the BEAST is FIRST in the eyes of God, as his members (body) consists of many who collectively account for greater value...and because
the BEAST is seen a ONE, this "Christ"
is put over the rest of the world, thus being listed FIRST. The earth brought forth the beast LAST in
verse 24 because the world FEARS the beast, just as it is written we should FEAR the LORD.
but In verse 24, all things that were brought forth NATURALLY and were after their OWN INDIVIDUAL KIND, at FIRST.
and the earth was free to
assemble, be one of the flock, or bring forth their own individuality, not conforming to another mind (religion, doctrine, etc.)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air,
and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
so again, it says "LET" he did not "make" the man YET...basically saying: "ALLOW US" to make this MAN according to OUR image and
-instead of yours
who is US
? GOD and his "FIRST" - who is the BEAST of the earth, seen as the dominant one.
and who is MAN they are asking to make? CHRIST
, HEAD of the CHURCH who has "DOMINION" over the earth.
a man MAN in god's and the church image, that only according to obedience to his word alone ALLOW in our own place,
This "man" is not mankind according to nature which was already freely allowed to be brought forth by the EARTH. It is the more appealing
"version" of us; the image of God, God in the flesh -tempting to most
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
now, there is no "US"
mentioned; is this just "God" alone? no! 3 things are happening here:
1) god "created" MAN in (mankind's) IMAGE. -hence the appearance of a man
2) "the image of GOD created he him" -God in flesh (CHRIST man's image, exalted)
3) "Male and female created he THEM" - CHRIST and his CHURCH
think about revelation and the IMAGE of the BEAST
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of
the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
There are 2 very important concepts to consider:
1) he BLESSED them
, gave "them" permission...A blessing, BIRTHRIGHT and entitlement
2) He SPOKE to them
, through his word
he is instructing this
He commanded them to replenish and subdue the earth. In other words, spread throughout the whole earth and "convert" everyone
And this time no BEAST is mentioned, NO CATTLE, NO CREEPY THING
, because they are now ONE Christ, (the CHURCH).
And have been commanded to go unto to the fish, birds and "every living thing"
Here "every living thing
" shows up again as being separate from the church, after its disappearance in verse 25 when God created the Beast.
what is the meaning of this? why subdue the fish and fowl and every living thing? what is he saying through his word
Go unto the "GENTILES," JUST AS PAUL
CLAIMED TO BE APPOINTED BY GOD TO PREACH TO THE GENTILE!!...and this was God's BEAST, the Beast's
CHURCH, author of 2/3 of the New testament, and Father of all of CHRISTianity...
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the
fruit of a tree yielding seed;
to you it shall be for meat.
-here were the resources to set up the church, and how to profit
30 And to every beast of the earth
, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I
have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
-and a final note to all living, including all churches, free spirited people?, and others alike, he is saying he has ALREADY GIVEN EVERYTHING. notice
the FRUIT of "a tree" given to the CHURCH, what tree?