posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 09:55 PM
reply to post by Catacomb
well one just being mentally ill does not disqualify you from gun ownership.you have to be ruled adjudicated mentally deficient or some specific
term.(meaning you have to have tried to kill your self or been FORCIBLY institutionalized)
two. well congratulations you have just made it illegal for the mentally ill to get guns.....now how do you prove if they are mentally ill? force them
to get treatment? hell i know people in this day and age that still don't believe it even exists.
and who gets to decide what qualify s as a mental illness?....not liking your government....you see where this is going
3.Stigma if you stigmatize the mental health community you will drive them underground as another member said already if they try to get tried of guns
just for having a mental illness people wont go get treatment and it will make it worse,not to mention we would need to hire a lot more police as if
they say ptsd is a qualification may vets that go on to be police could in theory suffer from it....
4. being mentally ill puts you in the protected classes group for federal protection against DISCRIMINATION and passing laws that effect protected
classes negatively is pretty hard to do, ya cant say men can own guns and women cant,just like you cant say because you are gay or black no gun for
you. so they expect to pass a law that says another protected class cant own things but the others can...... yeah aint gonna happen the second
amendment is here to stay
if you wanana do anything to cut down on the risk increase funds to mental health agencies and the like.
and create a list(yes i know we gun owners dont like lists) of ALL prohibited persons by Social security number as prohibited persons are not a
protected class this would be legal and probably not that hard to do....but HIPPA is also an obstacle as even if you do suspect some one of being
mentally ill getting their records is almost impossible unless (and even in some cases despite) them having committed a crime
TLDR mentally ill can own guns (hell they are issuing permits to the legally blind) and just being mentaly ill is not an automatic no go for guns.more
services and funds for mental health less laws would be a good thing
Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having
reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”
with a list of state laws that also come into play
Hawaii and New York are outliers. In Hawaii, a person diagnosed with a mental disorder may not own a gun without clearance from a doctor. After
the Newtown, Conn., school shooting, lawmakers in New York passed a law that requires physicians, psychologists, nurses and clinical social workers to
warn health officials about potentially dangerous patients, who then may be forced to surrender their guns without a court hearing. Mental-health
professionals balked at the New York law, fearing it would tread on confidentiality and put the therapist and patient in an adversarial relationship.
Some legal scholars, including NYU’s Mr. Jacobs, question its constitutionality. And states that move in New York’s direction can expect to face
much more push-back. “It raises significant privacy issues,” Adam Winkler, a law professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, told Law
Blog. “It’s always risky to punish people seeking treatment for mental health and other disorders.”
in hawaii and ny you need a doctors
edit on 18-9-2013 by RalagaNarHallas because: (no reason given)