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just logic alone. ( ?? )
reply to post by SLAYER69
To be honest, Slayer? I'm still getting my mind around the weak proof being offered that it was Syrians who did it. Trajectory of shells no one actually saw fly and some dispute whether the remains even had Sarin on them...make for more questions than answers. Sarin WAS used...no question on that, it seems. By whom, how much and for what purpose (since nothing tactical is evident for motive)
I don't try to ignore anything here..but that's still the whole point. There is still 100%, absolutely NO logic or beneficial reason for Assad to have done it. It was entirely and without exception a benefit to the Rebels. Start to finish and slam dunk.
If Assad's people fired them? They didn't even hit or kill anyone worth the effort for a conventional attack, let alone a world changing attack with taboo weapons. Just ..no sense at all. It's easier to believe the Rebels fired from positions just off the fence line of military locations. As crazy as it sounds? It makes more sense than the official version by basic logic...just logic alone. ( ?? )
reply to post by Lady_Tuatha
What's going on with this thread? I had to attempt 3 times to add something to and earlier post and I just saw someone try to post a video , it flashed on then just disappeared , did not leave a trace, so whats happening?edit on 18-9-2013 by Pinkorchid because: (no reason given)
reply to post by MrSpad
I don't get how becoming a world war criminal benefits him...
You'll lose me every time on that one.
WASHINGTON -- Eric Harroun, a 30-year-old former U.S. soldier, has been charged by federal authorities in Virginia with conspiring to use a rocket propelled grenade while fighting with the al-Nusrah Front in Syria. Harroun has posted YouTube videos and Facebook posts that showed him working alongside the group, which is commonly referred to as "al Qaeda in Iraq."
The CIA has been delivering light machine guns and other small arms to Syrian rebels for several weeks, following President Barack Obama's decision to arm the rebels.
The growing desire to distribute even more killing machines, while deducting the bill from the victims’ resources, reached a new peak on Monday as the warmongers gathered in Brussels, aiming to lift the EU arms embargo on the pretext that the Syrian rebels are the ‘moderate opposition’ and this would instigate a resolution to the proxy-war in Syria.
Of course this profit-driven, inefficacious foreign policy isn’t new to us. The Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, which lasted from 1979 to 1989, prompted the provision of military capabilities to the Mujahideen rebels throughout the decade of war. In fact, President Reagan addressed the Mujahideen rebels as ‘freedom fighters’ on numerous occasions. Former CIA director Robert Gates cited in his memoirs that military capability assistance to the Mujahideen rebels started as early as June 1979. While President Carter’s national security adviser admitted in an interview in 1998 that supporting Mujahideen rebels militarily began even before the Soviet invasion.
Again the American shall we say special Government , sticking its nose in again.
Its all about , who's paying what how and where for some whoring military types, not about ethics or thousands dying , its how much profit can we make on this war. So they sell themselves to the highest bidder.
“We are completing right now the implementation of contracts that were signed and paid for a long time ago,” Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said after talks in the Iranian capital of Tehran. “All these contracts concern exclusively anti-aircraft defense.”
“We are not delivering to Syria, or anywhere else, items that could be used against peaceful demonstrators,” Lavrov went on. “In this we differ from the United States, which regularly delivers riot control equipment to the region, including a recent delivery to a Persian Gulf country. But for some reason the Americans consider this to be fine."
First off, let me say that I think all parties should stop supplying either side and let the Syrians themselves deal with their internal problems. Second, I'm not denying the West has been party to supplying the Rebels, But, having said that, It is blatantly obvious Russia has been hypocritical in this situation.
reply to post by MrSpad
I think the main disagreement is a basic one. You and others see Assad and the Rebels in some evenly split fight to the death for control of Syria. I recall reading the notices for calls to action to depose and remove Assad ....just about 2 YEARS ago now and as the first minor protests were sparking in Homs. CNN was reporting protests as such a coincidence to Tunisia and Egypt ...while the People's Liberation Front web properties and others not so well known, were putting out the 5-Alarm call for anyone who could, to join them in Syria and bring the 'Arab Spring' to Damascus.
This was LONG before any massacres, atrocities or use of Chemical weapons. Who started this thing is self evident by the words of the parties involved. Their own words. Assad has been fighting a defensive action to stay alive since Day 1.
As the recent incident with Chemicals showed ..and seems lost on everyone calling Assad such an evil guy. IF he were so inclined, the Rebels are not ghosts. Their main areas of operation and centers of control are known and they have no defense but harsh language against Missiles. Assad could end the whole war in a matter of days...if METHOD didn't matter to him.
Now, since this war began? I have only seen ONE side I absolutely KNOW has Sarin, and Sarin specifically, use it AND be caught with more OF it in neighboring nations. That's the Rebels. Assad could have deep sixed that crap (Sarin) into storage long ago, where it sits today for all we know. It's damn sure one of the weakest weapons HE has.....despite being one of the most powerful the Rebels could imagine.
So why use a bunch of Sarin....kill absolutely no one who really matters, achieving nothing militarily? Again, it's a Super-Weapon to the Rebels. They have nothing better. It's a 'meh..' kinda thing to Assad, as he DOES have FAR worse than that he could use ..and WOULD ..if he was so inclined. The fact he doesn't, is the single best argument to why this may not have been him and I am not 100% sold, even now.
After all, we point to things like trajectory as proof. Number of rounds fired and such. Well.. If it were a professionally handled set up to withstand general scrutiny from the world? Just what would we expect to see? Some Pinto turned into a cheap chemical VBIED? It would look convincing. VERY convincing. In fact, logic may be the only thing an outsider sees that wouldn't fit for such a set up.
Just a thought.