Season Premeire of Sons of Anarchy - School Shooting

Wewillallbefree
Your missing what I'm saying, I not talking about the emotion I experienced as a result of watching it. I'm talking about the emotion that was displayed by the characters as a result of the writers attempt to paint a genuine picture, draw the parallels, it's pretty odd. reply to post by Bilk22

 

[/quoteMy post was a response to Mrspad. He seems to think that fictional TV evokes more emotions than real life drama. Kind of a sad thought. No? Personally I think your observations in your OP were spot on.

However TPTB know that TV reality and RL are one and the same for many, nay, most people. It's how they spread their propaganda.

Wewillallbefree
Your missing the point. There was more emotion displayed in that fictional example than the real life.

reply to post by MrSpad

 

My friend I hate to tell you...I live by Newtown/Sandy Hook 2 of my friends lost their kids and another lost his wife. Then their are the first responders, as I am one.
Many cops ,Vol. Firefighters and EMS have not returned to wherever they work...2 of them are my friends!

They are mentally screwed up for what they saw....they told me first hand what they saw .
I have seen a lot of crap and death, including working at 9/11...but that was nothing compared to this.

After hearing one story I ran to the toilet and threw up and like I said in my 40 years of being a Vl. Firefighter I have a lot nothing like that.

So that's the way it is.

reply to post by Wewillallbefree


although , sadly - it was not your intention - your thread does highlight a growing ` trend ` dubbed the " csi effect " wherein people have the expectation that REAL real life should mirror TVs depiction of " real life "

and they are increasingly applying this " filter " to all areas :law enforcement , the legal system , mediciene , psychology , military matters , firearms , explosions , injuries etc etc etc

TV is only real in a very few documentaries - but IMHO too many people have lost sight of this simple fact

thus we have this ` phenomenon ` that people now expect real life to conform to their preconceptions derived from television caricatures of "real life "

its oft stated that TV signals from earth will reach alien civilisations before us - and my opnion is :

we are screwed if aliens form opinions of us based on TV

but we are even more screwed when people base their opinions on TV - but its happening

Bilk22

MrSpad
The writer wants to give us a scene that strike an emotional chord. Realism has nothing to do with it. This holds true most entertainment.

So, seeing a child's life, heck multiple children's lives being snuffed out somehow is less of an emotional experience in real life vs that of viewing it on TV? Really?

At that moment yes. In real life people who are proffesionals revert to training, they can be breaking down when they have job to do. Others tend to go into shock. When you wantching TV you only touch the tips of those emotions and react. You then expect the people you watching to react like you do.

I think the scene was intended to give the gang a moral dilema. Since the beginning of the series the club have been gun runners. Jax is now the leader and a much more morally compassionate person then the previous prez Clay.

Jax is not happy about the fact that it was one of the guns they sold that was used in the act. Obviously his discontent is more based on the fact that it will undoubtedly bring more heat to the club but it wouldn't surprise me if at some point he struggles with from a moral standpoint.

I have followed the series since the beginning and remember when Jax showed up to save the young girl who Clay ordered killed because she witnessed a club hit. She was only 16 so killing here didn't sit right with Jax so he prevented it. Granted Jax is a criminal just like all of them but he seems to be an overall decent guy who is conclicted. Stuck between what he has known his whole life and wanting but not knowing how to leave it all behind.

As for authenticity, it is a t.v. show. It is entertainment and as such it doesn't have to be factually accurate just entertaining.

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The best part is now I don't have to watch the episode.

Groovy man !!!!

*calls Tig.. "yo brother, got a job for you...."*

Oo

I never said no one died, I never said there wasnt a horrific crime scene.

But with all due respect, you have to see why their are hundreds of thousands of people who are having trouble accepting the official narrative of the story. There were definitely elements of staging going on that day - the firehouse is a great example of that, and there were people who were from the get go supposed to play a certain role - Gene Rosen - his story has changed more times than I can count.

nighthawk1954

Wewillallbefree
Your missing the point. There was more emotion displayed in that fictional example than the real life.

reply to post by MrSpad

 

My friend I hate to tell you...I live by Newtown/Sandy Hook 2 of my friends lost their kids and another lost his wife. Then their are the first responders, as I am one.
Many cops ,Vol. Firefighters and EMS have not returned to wherever they work...2 of them are my friends!

They are mentally screwed up for what they saw....they told me first hand what they saw .
I have seen a lot of crap and death, including working at 9/11...but that was nothing compared to this.

After hearing one story I ran to the toilet and threw up and like I said in my 40 years of being a Vl. Firefighter I have a lot nothing like that.

So that's the way it is.

edit on 17-9-2013 by nighthawk1954 because: (no reason given)

reply to post by Wewillallbefree


I noticed multiple propagandaish plot points. Like making the vile enemy pornographers torturous Iranians.

reply to post by Wewillallbefree


Its going to go into a plot line about a crack down onguns that brings the gun down on the club sincw ita one of thw guns they gave to the pimps crew last season. The kid who shot, his mom was dating one of the mexican gang members ( played by Navarro) so the illegal full auto weapon came from thw bikers.

speculativeoptimist
Are you talking about last week's premier? I do not recall a school shooting incident. Are you referring to tonights episode?
ETA:
Oh it was last season's finale. I will have to rewatch it, my recollection is a bit fuzzy.
Found this though:

The horrifying scene is said to be the start of a story arch that demonstrates the impact of gun trafficking. In a recent YouTube video, “Sons of Anarchy” creator Kurt Sutter further justified the scene as part of the “bigger objective” of reinvigorating conversation about shootings like the one depicted.

“Sons of Anarchy” is not the first television show to grapple with the issue. Less than four months after the Sandy Hook massacre,

www.videtteonline.com...

edit on 17-9-2013 by speculativeoptimist because: (no reason given)

Did I miss something?

The show I thought he was talking about wasn't last season's finale, it was THIS SEASONS premiere. The first episode of the season.