Navy Yard shooting suspect reached out to vet hospitals for ‘psychological issues’

reply to post by JadeStar


Clearly technologies utilizing the Frey Effect do exist and have been and will likely be expanded upon. Would it not be possible to create a receiver to intercept these transmissions. Has anyone ever heard of such a thing ? Most of the links I have found regarding this effect and papers regarding Y2K technologies focus on proving that the military and others have been aware of this very thing while denying It's use.

Imo, it would be incredible to be able to not only provide proof on paper but to record possible transmissions in real time.

Penny

I thought the fact was well-established that this guy was psychotic. All the signs were there. But who knows..

unphased
reply to post by suz62

 

I mean yea, that's the official explanation.. Can people with such severe mental illness that it sends them across the east coast hiding from voices and vibrations - pass through the hoops necessary to gain secret clearance...?

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I never understood why people use this argument. What makes you think that psychosis automatically makes you unintelligent or incapable of attaining your goals? It can actually make you more resourceful and provide unbelievable motivation, especially if you're convinced that your survival depends on your success.

Saw this in another thread on ATS and thought it should be noted here:

ATS

VA: Aaron Alexis never sought mental health treatment
www.nbcnews.com...

From the NBC news report linked in the quote above:

The VA confirms that Alexis sought treatment.

“Aaron Alexis received treatment on August 23, 2013, when he visited the emergency room at the VA Medical Center in Providence, R.I., complaining of insomnia. After a medical examination, he was given a small amount of medication to help him sleep and was instructed to follow up with a primary care provider,” the statement reads.

The statement did not detail what medication Alexis was given.

“On August 28, he went to the emergency room at the VA Medical Center in Washington, D.C., to request a medication refill and attributed his insomnia to his work schedule. He was given a small refill and was instructed to follow up with a primary care provider.”

According to the VA, the records show no evidence of a man struggling with mental issues. “On both occasions, Mr. Alexis was alert and oriented, and was asked by VA doctors if he was struggling with anxiety or depression, or had thoughts about harming himself or others, all of which he denied,” the statement said.

“Alexis enrolled in VA health care in February 2011. According to VA records, he never sought an appointment from a mental health specialist, and had previously either canceled or failed to show up for primary care appointments and claims evaluations examinations he had scheduled at VA medical centers.”

No idea whether other reports indicating possible mental health issues are correct or not, but at least according to the VA there were no indications of mental health issues.

pennylemon
reply to post by JadeStar

 

Clearly technologies utilizing the Frey Effect do exist and have been and will likely be expanded upon. Would it not be possible to create a receiver to intercept these transmissions. Has anyone ever heard of such a thing ? Most of the links I have found regarding this effect and papers regarding Y2K technologies focus on proving that the military and others have been aware of this very thing while denying It's use.

Imo, it would be incredible to be able to not only provide proof on paper but to record possible transmissions in real time.

Penny

As the transmission of microwaves at close range (ie from another room in a building) would likely be low power and highly directional such detection would be dependent on two factors.

1) Knowing where the technology is actively deployed - Proximity
2) Knowing the duration in which the technology is in an ON state - Duration

in other words unless one knew when and where this was being used the likelyhood of detecting its use by pure happenstance would be slim.

Like looking for a needle in the proverbial haystack.

It is certainly detectable but without some intel on someone it is being used against one wouldn't know where to look for it.

I suspect that it is a bit more difficult than turning on a scanner from Radio Shack and tuning to the right frequency or even holding up a frequency counter a block away.

This is not to say the man didn't have problems however this technology has been known to be in use for at least a decade and the concept existed at least as far back as the 1970s.

Also of note, if one was already unbalanced, the use of this technology against them might exacerbate that.

I'd be especially interested in knowing what, beyond this man's rescue work on 9/11 could have triggered the use of this technology on him. Its not as though random subjects are picked outside a controlled environment to study this stuff. If he handled information of a sensitive nature, that might be enough though.

JadeStar

pennylemon
reply to post by JadeStar

 

Clearly technologies utilizing the Frey Effect do exist and have been and will likely be expanded upon. Would it not be possible to create a receiver to intercept these transmissions. Has anyone ever heard of such a thing ? Most of the links I have found regarding this effect and papers regarding Y2K technologies focus on proving that the military and others have been aware of this very thing while denying It's use.

Imo, it would be incredible to be able to not only provide proof on paper but to record possible transmissions in real time.

Penny

As the transmission of microwaves at close range (ie from another room in a building) would likely be low power and highly directional such detection would be dependent on two factors.

1) Knowing where the technology is actively deployed - Proximity
2) Knowing the duration in which the technology is in an ON state - Duration

in other words unless one knew when and where this was being used the likelyhood of detecting its use by pure happenstance would be slim.

Like looking for a needle in the proverbial haystack.

It is certainly detectable but without some intel on someone it is being used against one wouldn't know where to look for it.

I suspect that it is a bit more difficult than turning on a scanner from Radio Shack and tuning to the right frequency or even holding up a frequency counter a block away.

This is not to say the man didn't have problems however this technology has been known to be in use for at least a decade and the concept existed at least as far back as the 1970s.

Also of note, if one was already unbalanced, the use of this technology against them might exacerbate that.

I'd be especially interested in knowing what, beyond this man's rescue work on 9/11 could have triggered the use of this technology on him. Its not as though random subjects are picked outside a controlled environment to study this stuff. If he handled information of a sensitive nature, that might be enough though.

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Philip Garrido, that had kidnapped Jaycee Dugard, built a black box that he tried to convince people he could hear sounds coming from it. He also wrote a manifesto called The Origins of Schizophrenia Revealed. He believed the government, along with shadow angelic entities were responsible for making people Schizophrenic.

This man also was passed by the psychologists in the prison he was sent to for raping Katie Calloway.

They said he was a good prisoner and that he was let off for good behavior. But Jaycee Dugard still experienced his constant rambling and that he heard voices. The only ones in law enforcement who caught on were the two women who thought he had something wrong with him.

So people who think someone can't be intelligent enough to get by with it clearly don't know people with mental illnesses. This man fooled psychiatrists that have PhDs.

This man interacted with neighbors and businesses on a daily basis. He was able to trick a whole lot of people while he kept a girl in his backyard, along with two daughters she had by him. Clearly he had some kind of intelligence to pull it off for so long.

He not only convinced his neighbors, the psychiatrists, but the officers at the probation office as well.

For the Navy Yard shooter, there was somebody in his life who had seen him in episodes and they probably passed it off.

reply to post by ikonoklast


The elephant in the room on this should be obvious. Aaron Alexis was described as friendly but somewhat reclusive and intelligent. If was of his most remarkable and frequently repeated descriptors is "intelligent", it's pretty safe to assume that he was very intelligent. Maybe because the more intelligent have a history of being able to handle and find solutions for most things (meditation and heinekin) or maybe it's the awareness of possible fall out to one's life if they admit that there is a problem to a licensed professional (just having trouble sleeping due to work stress). The very intelligent can be more difficult to "pin down" as they are smart enough to know what to say to avoid a specific diagnosis (no family history of schizophrenia). A friend of mine has reactive attachment disorder and is highly intelligent. He's had a bad track record of running in circles around his therapists.

What is the elephant in the room is that all of the mass shooters/murderers that have had a number of fatalities are always described as "intelligent to gifted to a genius". That isn't to say that all smart people are potential killers. Not in a million years. These shooters are smart and smart enough to hide instability until it may be too late.

WhiteAlice
reply to post by ikonoklast

 

The elephant in the room on this should be obvious. Aaron Alexis was described as friendly but somewhat reclusive and intelligent. If was of his most remarkable and frequently repeated descriptors is "intelligent", it's pretty safe to assume that he was very intelligent. Maybe because the more intelligent have a history of being able to handle and find solutions for most things (meditation and heinekin) or maybe it's the awareness of possible fall out to one's life if they admit that there is a problem to a licensed professional (just having trouble sleeping due to work stress). The very intelligent can be more difficult to "pin down" as they are smart enough to know what to say to avoid a specific diagnosis (no family history of schizophrenia). A friend of mine has reactive attachment disorder and is highly intelligent. He's had a bad track record of running in circles around his therapists.

What is the elephant in the room is that all of the mass shooters/murderers that have had a number of fatalities are always described as "intelligent to gifted to a genius". That isn't to say that all smart people are potential killers. Not in a million years. These shooters are smart and smart enough to hide instability until it may be too late.

I think the bigger problem is with how we view people with mental illness in this country. Let me give some examples....

Suppose you saw a homeless guy that hasn't had a shower in years, his clothes in shreds and he's very dirty and you see this man talking out loud to himself just rambling on and on about nothing, what is your perception of him? Clearly the man has mental illness.

But let's look at a man like Ted Bundy, clearly highly intelligent, charming, charismatic and good looking. When Ted Bundy killed those women, people thought it was impossible because he didn't look like a killer.

I was involved several years ago in making a short film that explored this very concept and what surprised me more was how people perceived the characters while we were filming, rather than what they saw on the film.

I wrote this, I didn't direct it, but I was there for the four different days it took. We were given a genre and told that it was to be without dialogue and outside. The genre were were told to do was Psychological Thriller. So we discussed this about what would be most horrific to people in this day and time. We thought that women alone and vulnerable can be horrific if she were placed in a position of that vulnerability compromised.

What struck me the most was while we were filming, people overlooked the cameras and lights as though we were just witnesses to this event happening. People made comments about the homeless guy and the security guard as though they were real. How did they not understand that we were filming?

Then I realized that we are conditioned to accept uniforms as real authority and the mentally ill as something that looked different than what we accept. This film won an award at a film festival, for the content, even if the continuity was not there. People believed this short film to the point they began to worry about their loved ones.


People overlooked the fact it was raining in some shots and the sun was shining in others. What mattered was the narrative. Just from doing this, I know how people buy into certain images while dismissing others that might be important. The psychology here is that people can be in danger from being so unaware of what is going on around them, and can dismiss the truth so easily. The was the most horrific thing to me.

reply to post by WarminIndy


Awesome post, WarmIndy, and I definitely think you hit on some really great points. Love that you brought up Bundy. Serial killers also tend to have a higher than average iq. Dumb potential serial killers don't become serial killers because they aren't smart enough to elude detection and identification. You're absolutely right that society will easily identify the homeless guy leaning up against a building as probably being mentally unstable but that nice, quiet young man that lives by himself on the corner? Nah.... Maybe it's a two part deal. Society has expectations of what mental instability looks like and when it erupts, the smart ones can evade detection for longer because they are smart enough to evade it or even talk their way around it. Would explain why society tends to get blindsided by cases like this. "He was such a nice guy...I'm so shocked that he could do it." "He was a little weird but he was really smart."

Really loved the short film.

I was unaware there were so many mental health experts on this site.

teachtaire
I was unaware there were so many mental health experts on this site.

Yep yep and you're next. Please take a number and a seat. We'll get to you shortly....

Is he Lot? Are we in Sodom and Gomorrah? Why is it always three weird dudes that allegedly walk out of nowhere and wreak such havoc? This guy should ask himself why these individuals are trying to contact him... Then glance at his current surroundings. If he's in a # hole house with nastiness everywhere, chances are he's living in fantasy land, and no universal creature is interested in him.

WhiteAlice

teachtaire
I was unaware there were so many mental health experts on this site.

Yep yep and you're next. Please take a number and a seat. We'll get to you shortly....

Sure thing doc.

reply to post by unphased


This sort of harassment is common.

Other people get irregular heart beats, pin pricks in a localized area of the body, dizziness, extreme tiredness, tones in the ear, muscle twitches that last.

My favorite part is when they make ya fixate over the numbers 222,333, 444, 555, 777, 888,999...cars begin pulling in front of you with license plates like this or ya start seeing the infamous missing one hubcap people. Kind of a quantum thing. There is no way there is a team that large out there that can coordinate so precisely with cell phones and walkie talkies.


They cut way back when it doesn't bother you and you enjoy it. Personally i think they are funny.

reply to post by unphased


" It has been confirmed that Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis was on the anti-depressant drug Trazodone, providing yet another example of a connection between psychiatric drugs and mass shootings. "

www.infowars.com...


Seems all these shootings in the last few years have one MO in Common.........Psychiatric Drugs......

reply to post by Zanti Misfit


This is a clear utilization of MK-Ultra's "God Weapon" in a nefarious mind control manner targeting a person. I experienced it for years as a child growing up across the water from Camp Hero.

libertytoall
reply to post by Zanti Misfit

 

This is a clear utilization of MK-Ultra's "God Weapon" in a nefarious mind control manner targeting a person. I experienced it for years as a child growing up across the water from Camp Hero.

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So , these shootings don't appear to be " Random Events " , but Deliberate Orchestrated Attacks used by some Politicians as an Excuse to Pass more Anti Gun Laws Assaulting the 2nd Amendment . That should be Obvious to most people by now........

NOOOOOOOO!!!....NOOOO!

Through walls? Oh nooooo! Oh man! Not the veterans administration...Noooooo!!!!!

I wish i had seen this earlier. Something weird happened to me and i just wrote something about the FDA approving use of chips in veterans hospitals. Nooooo! the computer is the beast. Oh my god, it's true. Can this really be happening?

Ok... this is why i try to stay away from people because the energy compiles and they play off of others around you to start chain reactions. I lay low and they're not going to make me shoot anybody. But about a month ago, I had this compelling urge to go buy a gun. It lasted a few days.

Oh my GOD... This is really happening.

God help us all.

I thought he was being messed with. Something did not seem right about this case!!

After reading what this says... if this is true, theres no doubt in my mind. He tried logically to explain it and thought it was coming through the wall and so he went somewhere else... logical, right? But they got him... They got to him!

Oh Jesus!

reply to post by teachtaire


Do you know what is the most common cause for security failures regardless of where the security exists?

Human error.

reply to post by WhiteAlice


Which is why proper training and correcting mistakes made before they snowball is so important.

I'm not saying anything bad about the administration or the individuals involved.

But the fact of the matter is, this could have been avoided.

greenday1978
Is he Lot? Are we in Sodom and Gomorrah? Why is it always three weird dudes that allegedly walk out of nowhere and wreak such havoc? This guy should ask himself why these individuals are trying to contact him... Then glance at his current surroundings. If he's in a # hole house with nastiness everywhere, chances are he's living in fantasy land, and no universal creature is interested in him.

Noooo! They drove him crazy... he was a patsy. It's the beast computer network. It is "psychological warfare"

This is the kind of thing they "lose" trillions of dollars on.