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posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 08:15 AM
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reply to post by LaWnDarTs
 


LMFAO...care bears and unicorns.




posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 08:33 AM
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roughycannon
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So because of a meat cleaver attack we should arm the entire population of a country with guns? brilliant...

Nearly every mass shooting is a gun free zone? again brilliant... I think the key words here are "MASS SHOOTING"

Rather than ban the guns and take them off the streets so the high school kids can't get their hands on them in the first place and stop the problem at its root cause lets just arm the entire population with guns... BRILLIANT!


Did I say that the entire population should be armed? The point ( which you can't seem to comprehend) is that gun or no gun crazy assholes will find a way to kill people. Even if ever single firearm on the planet were to disappear.
And your extremely well thought out response of "BRILLIANT!" Dosnt make your argument any better. The fact is, there is no good reason why trained military personal should not be alowd to have there firearm on base.
It gets tiresome listening to all you Brits act like you are so In lightened. When the truth is you guy have more violent crime per person then the U.S. , France , Germany and pretty much the rest of Europe.[url=http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/24/blog-posting/social-media-post-says-uk-has-far-higher-violent-c/]Stats[/url ]
Lets not even go into all the fact and figures on how most of the crimes involving firearms are gang related, with illegally obtained gun.
What would be BRILLIANT is if you could come up with an intelligent response instead of being a condescending douche.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 08:44 AM
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Oh God, that old chestnut again. You do realise i suppose that the UK includes things such as spitting at someone as a violent crime? (it counts as assault), which many other countries do not in their crime figures? There are also many other things also classed as violent crime that are not denoted the same elsewhere.

Like i said initially, this is a stupid argument in that guns are part of US culture so there is no comparison over here (UK). However, if you are going to quote crime figures, at least get the information correct..........

Oh, btw, the reason we include things like spitting is because we aren't worried about someone going postal with an assault rifle - our priorities are different. And, again like i said before, i do not claim we have it perfect or anything like over here. Lets just be realistic about the crime levels though please.

My personal take is that US gun culture means guns will always be available to the public in the USA - your country, your choice. Frankly, i have no strong opinions either way but i do find the topic interesting. However, i will say that i am happy that we do not have a gun culture over here. At the end of the day, i would much rather some violent random thug battered me than shot me.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 08:52 AM
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The have been many debates on ATS about violent crime statistics UKvUS. The fact is that the UK and US don't categorise violent crime in the same way. The US only has 4 categories of crime which it defines as violent crime compared to the uk which has a list of crimes as long has your arm ( probably 2!) which it defines as violent crime. Violent crime statistics only give you a guide of crimes committed which each country DEFINES as violent crime and isn't like for like.

This said I am aware my country has many problems of it's own.

Another thing I pointed out on another thread is that the US has the biggest prison population rates in the world and outnumbers the UK by an absolute mile. I'm surprised you have any criminals left on the streets to commit crime! So that need's to be taken into consideration when comparing crime.

But as I already stated I don't have an opinion that US should ban guns...but we have to careful when comparing statistics that are not comparable.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 09:12 AM
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Oh dear oh dear another thread with people saying we in the UK are not free and are cowering behind our doors scared because we can not defend ourselves....

I respect that you lot in the USA want guns, that is your own culture and you can keep it.

Here in the UK we just don't want them, don't need them and If I did want one I could get one legally, I often go to my local gunsmith to buy stuff for camping and appreciate the craftsmanship in some of his firearms (must admit got my eye an a blunderbus), why do threads like this always turn into a USvUK when we all know there is only one place which starts with GREAT


GREAT Britain, love my country as much as you guys in the states love your own, so please respect that we know more about our country, the crime figures, the actual crime which takes place and our wishes that we do not want everyone walking around with AR-15s and we will do the same.

I got mugged once in manchester when I was 19 and the guy had a pistol, he mugged me for a fag

edit on 18-9-2013 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 12:53 PM
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Flavian
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Oh God, that old chestnut again. You do realise i suppose that the UK includes things such as spitting at someone as a violent crime? (it counts as assault), which many other countries do not in their crime figures? There are also many other things also classed as violent crime that are not denoted the same elsewhere.

Like i said initially, this is a stupid argument in that guns are part of US culture so there is no comparison over here (UK). However, if you are going to quote crime figures, at least get the information correct..........

Oh, btw, the reason we include things like spitting is because we aren't worried about someone going postal with an assault rifle - our priorities are different. And, again like i said before, i do not claim we have it perfect or anything like over here. Lets just be realistic about the crime levels though please.

My personal take is that US gun culture means guns will always be available to the public in the USA - your country, your choice. Frankly, i have no strong opinions either way but i do find the topic interesting. However, i will say that i am happy that we do not have a gun culture over here. At the end of the day, i would much rather some violent random thug battered me than shot me.

It's the same here in the U.S. spitting =assault
Yes, I understand my "chestnut" as you call it it (violent crime) is not clear cut and somewhat of an apples and oranges diffrance.And that same " not this again feeling it invoke in you is the sameway Ifeel when anti gun people spouts there cherry picked stats .The point is that just because your society differs from ours regarding firearms dosn't mean that it is any less violent. I live about an hour outside Dallas Texas. When I was a teenager I would see news stories every single night on the news about armed car jackings in Dallas. It was rediculiosly out of control. When the state pass the
concealed carry laws jacking stopped almost over night. In ever state that has concealed carry/open carry laws crime has dropped. That is a fact. By all means look for yourself and prove me wrong. Gun crimes thoughout the U.S. are down 40%. The highest crime areas are the places were its illegal to have firearms.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 02:21 PM
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In your imaginary scenario where all guns are banned, where are criminals still finding them?



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 02:23 PM
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LaWnDarTs

Did I say that the entire population should be armed? The point ( which you can't seem to comprehend) is that gun or no gun crazy assholes will find a way to kill people. Even if ever single firearm on the planet were to disappear.


I would love to see how all those people would have been harmed in that theater had the assailant been armed with a claw hammer.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 02:52 PM
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I'm with the other posters who have said we need to look at the core of crime - poverty, being born in a "lower" bracket, etc. Once we solve these, crime will be greatly lessened in scope. Yes, you will always have people killing people, but if we take away the need/desire for people to do serious harm then we can focus on the truly scary people who want to do harm - serial killers, kidnappers and the like.

I hope this doesn't come off as too crass... But, when someone shoots you, it's usually a fleeting thing. They want to rob you, take your car, stop you from following them, etc. But when Mr. Bundy hits you over the head with a tire iron and proceeds to rape you for a day and then slowly strangles you... That, to me, is "worse" than being shot. They are breaking your mind and spirit and then, slowly, putting you down.

And not many serial killers used guns - Ed Gein did, but he just wanted more bodies for his growing collection. Most serial killers are hands on... so, lets ban hands!



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 03:45 PM
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I don't know, museums, military armories, making them, mexico, where there is a will there is a way. With 3D printers on the verge of being household items, you can bet people will be producing their own for the sole intent of being sold on the black market.

I mean come on, it's not like criminals haven't been finding ways to circumvent the law for centuries. They are also adept at finding things that they shouldn't otherwise have access to. The funny thing about that black market is it produces a lot of revenue and money makes the world go around unfortunately.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 03:46 PM
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Without access to firearms the next best weapon/tool for producing mass casualities is explosives, which can be made with common household agents.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 03:48 PM
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A true killer will kill



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 04:24 PM
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I'm from the UK, Brighton specifically. I'm 27 and have been living here my whole life.

There are a few points I would like to make:

1) There is not one single person I know who would want a gun or want the general public to be armed. I would put a post on Facebook or something asking "Do you think the UK's public should have access to guns?" however I would invariably just look like a bit of a plonker with people asking why I would post that in the first place.

2) The vast majority of people over here have never even seen a gun. Excluding air rifles that are used for hunting rabbits (of which I've only seen 3) I have never even seen one. Again, I could ask friends and family but I know what the answer would be - 99% would say no, the other 1% would be those I know who are in the forces.

3) No one lives in fear of "tyranny" (that word is used thousand fold more by Americans than us).

4) Unless you're in one of the major run down areas of the country, we don't live in fear of people breaking into our house or hurting our family. Even if someone did break into my house they wouldn't have a gun and would be spooked by the sight of me and leg it.

To all you Americans, I can see why you need guns but that's only because it's gone far too far.

I know that people from outside the US give you a bit of stick but that's only because the idea of having an armed population is such an alien idea to us that we can't comprehend it.

When you're discussing the freedom for people to own guns are you just talking about your country or do you feel that all nations should have an armed population? If the latter do you feel any different after reading my four points above?

Lastly, I know that there is a big misconception about what we Brits want in terms of gu legislation, for example a while ago a screenshot was posted about a poll that was done where the majority of people voted yes for the public to be allowed guns.

So if you have any questions for me about anything to do with guns etc. from a British perspective then feel free to ask and I'll answer in an amicable manner (obviously on the proviso that your questions are also amicable).

Ryan.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 05:17 PM
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warriorscholar81
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I don't know, museums, military armories, making them, mexico, where there is a will there is a way. With 3D printers on the verge of being household items, you can bet people will be producing their own for the sole intent of being sold on the black market.

I mean come on, it's not like criminals haven't been finding ways to circumvent the law for centuries. They are also adept at finding things that they shouldn't otherwise have access to. The funny thing about that black market is it produces a lot of revenue and money makes the world go around unfortunately.


I was responding to the hypothetical about there being no guns but it is ok if you got confused.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 05:19 PM
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warriorscholar81
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Without access to firearms the next best weapon/tool for producing mass casualities is explosives, which can be made with common household agents.


Yep and they are super easy to hide under you jacket as you enter schools and theaters too, right?



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 06:06 PM
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Here in QLD, Australia, the Police recommend the following for dealing with confrontation or an attack...

• escaping, e.g. by running away
• negotiating with the offender
• doing whatever the offender tells you to, as you wait for, or create, an opportunity to escape
• calling upon passers-by to assist
• screaming
• handing over property
• distracting the offender
• calling police (Triple Zero (000))
• physical self defence.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 08:32 PM
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I've heard this before... coming from some Englishman. Well, come over to my neighborhood at night (in the USA) and see if you still feel safe around the criminals. They'll eat you up limy.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 09:36 PM
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Tronsmith
I'm from the UK, Brighton specifically. I'm 27 and have been living here my whole life.

There are a few points I would like to make:

1) There is not one single person I know who would want a gun or want the general public to be armed. I would put a post on Facebook or something asking "Do you think the UK's public should have access to guns?" however I would invariably just look like a bit of a plonker with people asking why I would post that in the first place.

2) The vast majority of people over here have never even seen a gun. Excluding air rifles that are used for hunting rabbits (of which I've only seen 3) I have never even seen one. Again, I could ask friends and family but I know what the answer would be - 99% would say no, the other 1% would be those I know who are in the forces.

3) No one lives in fear of "tyranny" (that word is used thousand fold more by Americans than us).

4) Unless you're in one of the major run down areas of the country, we don't live in fear of people breaking into our house or hurting our family. Even if someone did break into my house they wouldn't have a gun and would be spooked by the sight of me and leg it.

To all you Americans, I can see why you need guns but that's only because it's gone far too far.

I know that people from outside the US give you a bit of stick but that's only because the idea of having an armed population is such an alien idea to us that we can't comprehend it.

When you're discussing the freedom for people to own guns are you just talking about your country or do you feel that all nations should have an armed population? If the latter do you feel any different after reading my four points above?

Lastly, I know that there is a big misconception about what we Brits want in terms of gu legislation, for example a while ago a screenshot was posted about a poll that was done where the majority of people voted yes for the public to be allowed guns.

So if you have any questions for me about anything to do with guns etc. from a British perspective then feel free to ask and I'll answer in an amicable manner (obviously on the proviso that your questions are also amicable).

Ryan.



I mean no disrespect to you when i say I don't care how you do it in the uk.
I have nothing but respect for the people of your country and i prolly always will.
But the culture of our countries are very different. Jail over here is like a day care for adults.
It's almost a badge of honor for gang members to have a record.
If i understand correctly your prison system is a nasty place to be and that will definitely
Stop alot of crime before it ever starts.
Maybe if we executed people who commit gun crimes that would make a difference.
We don't kill off too many criminals in this country because its "cruel". but abortion at
Eight months is ok..... Sorry thats another rant thread..



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 11:18 PM
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Government will protect us after we have been victimised - provided we don't protect ourselves.



posted on Sep, 19 2013 @ 12:31 AM
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I'm 35 years old.

I live in Detroit.

I have never owned a gun.

I have never had trouble defending my home.

Guns are for COWARDS.

Get a dog.




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