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Active Shooter at Washington Navy Yard, Reports of Multiple People Shot

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posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 01:53 PM
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Yes, the right questions do need to be addresses, we're just short on non corrupted interests to do so. There's too much money and control to be had to ask, access the right questions. Ask those in congress who do not read the bills they sign, nor really are concerned because they were given a fat paycheck.
Alt media or those in MSM-barely any at all, as well as whistle blowers will have to ask these questions otherwise it will continue as always. The typical divide and conquer "ban this, ban that" arguments will continue, nothing happens.


Snarl

Eryiedes

- EVERY perp was on SSRI/Statins or similar anti-depressants...y'know, the ones the FDA keeps saying are safe?

What I want to know is how many more of these events have to take place before we start asking the right questions?


Who are you going to ask? The shooters are all dead or they're not talking. Here's one of the questions I would love to ask if they were still alive and kicking: Were those the first shots of the 2d Revolution and I totally missed your intent?

How about:
-EVERY perp's reputation/personal life is totally trashed/ridiculed with such frequency there is really no way to halfway figure out who the guy was.

I'll tell you, the guy who did the Aurora shoot is no loon. I don't care if he looked like he got lost on his way to court from McDonald's or not. The guy booby-trapped his house, he left a marker to attract the cops to it, he was smart enough to come up with the cash for all the equipment required ... and yet he comes out looking like the one who was the least sane of the whole bunch.

The most intriguing story we haven't heard everything about yet is Chris Dorner's ... and everyone seems to have already forgotten him. I guess his body count didn't go high enough.
What about Oswald? Have we been getting duped every time for that long?

Maybe I'll do a thread on this when I hit my 20 posts. Star to you Eryiedes for inspiring me to reply.


Would make for an interesting thread topic.

Conspiracy wise and not to defend, this comes off as a perfect candidate to be controlled, promoted to fulfill his murder intent and used for an agenda.

Even if you could ask any of the guilty and or accused, as we see with many living who are incarcerated involved in these types of slaughter, there's often too much disinfo involved that clouds what really happened. The solution is to the way around that, perhaps as mentioned above about Alt Media and Whistle Blowers.
News is saying he disliked how America is. So in turn add to the problems of violence and senseless killing of innocents to help combat what you view or what may be reality of what is wrong? Way to add to even more stereotypical views, to box certain people in, i.e. veterans. Revolution of their reaction to what they see as issues in mind, maybe. But damn that, so distraught, confused and no other way to believe killing is the answer? As we know, in turn rights of the stereotyped groups will be taken, without conviction.




posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 02:41 PM
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BBC reports

www.bbc.co.uk...



One of the first teams of heavily armed police to respond to Monday's shooting in Washington DC was ordered to stand down by superiors, the BBC can reveal.


They wanted this to happen so they can get more money.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 03:41 PM
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DangerDeath
BBC reports

www.bbc.co.uk...



One of the first teams of heavily armed police to respond to Monday's shooting in Washington DC was ordered to stand down by superiors, the BBC can reveal.


They wanted this to happen so they can get more money.



It would certainly be nice to find out a bit more about this. I'm not about to sit here and say "OMG, it must be true!" but I am also not going to just brush it off as not possible. Definitely worth finding more information on.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 03:53 PM
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Okay, I've already pasted the link to the article that lead me to this possibility.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 04:26 PM
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I was listening to the EMT traffic that morning and they were giving stand down to a lot of LEO's as they arrived. I think they may have been worried it was a sniper situation because it was initially reported he had a rifle. I mean, who the hell fires a shotgun from the higher floor and if they did why were there not more injured. I know when I shoot skeet you work the spread of the gun you are using.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 04:37 PM
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Has anyone seen any pictures of the dead?

Okay, here's the list of the killed.

www.huffingtonpost.com...


edit on 18-9-2013 by DangerDeath because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 05:16 PM
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Not all shotgun ammo is pellets. I find it weird someone would plan a rampage and use a shotgun at a distance, makes no sense.... Does the navy not do any firearm training at all? Shotguns are made for close work, and buckshot/birdshot is not the ammo to use.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 05:37 PM
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DangerDeath
Has anyone seen any pictures of the dead?

Okay, here's the list of the killed.

www.huffingtonpost.com...


edit on 18-9-2013 by DangerDeath because: (no reason given)


I would rather not see the images of the dead.

Their ages were pretty high. And I found the fact that the only injured person to get a mention, was the police officer, a bit weird.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 05:43 PM
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Sorry, I was going by the fact the owner where he bought the shotgun said he did not buy a unusually large amount of ammo and I would have figured if it was exotic it would come out then. If he was such a COD played he would have know this...an 8 year old on Xbox live does.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 08:21 PM
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DangerDeath
BBC reports

www.bbc.co.uk...



One of the first teams of heavily armed police to respond to Monday's shooting in Washington DC was ordered to stand down by superiors, the BBC can reveal.


They wanted this to happen so they can get more money.



It's the tell-tale "that train is never late" sign that the establishment NEEDED this to happen and needed it BADLY. Whenever people, in a position to save lives, are prevented from doing so for ludicous reasons (or no given reason at all) is the absolute earmark of the false flag operation.
They don't even bother to hide this crap from the public anymore. They flaunt their wanton disregard for life and liberty as if daring you:

"YES, we're doing it. We're even TELLING you we're doing it...but ya CAN'T see it can you?"

It just getting so obvious now the only possible explaination is "prisoner acclimation" and learned helplessness. It makes me ill that others refuse to see what's going on right in front of their faces.
But that's just me and if the Buddha has taught me anything, it's that I know nothing.

-Peace be with you all-



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 09:14 PM
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rocktsar
Take the guns, stop the madness! Cry with me, take the guns, stop the madness!


So how about the guy who killed like 20 plus people with a knife in China? The problem is people will kill if they want to kill.

Do you really think murders would stop if all gun disappeared tomorrow?



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 10:31 PM
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DangerDeath
BBC reports

www.bbc.co.uk...



One of the first teams of heavily armed police to respond to Monday's shooting in Washington DC was ordered to stand down by superiors, the BBC can reveal.


They wanted this to happen so they can get more money.



Good catch! I looked to see if this is a topic yet. I would suggest this be it's own topic or Thread!

It already seems they are sweeping this Big event under the rug already.

This is beyond Corrupt!



posted on Sep, 19 2013 @ 12:32 AM
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MyHappyDogShiner
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The problem isn't whether or not anyone has the right to own a gun or not, it's that some people who don't care about the laws or anyone else's safety will get guns, and if everyone is disarmed and following the law, those law abiding citizens don't have the right or the means to defend themselves against those who do not care. Why is this such a damned difficult thing for people to understand?.

Just because you or anyone else doesn't like guns doesn't give you or anyone else the right to remove an option I may enjoy having, just cuz y'all have some phobia of firearms, like maybe don't know a damned thing about it in reality.


Why doesn't everyone understand this? Guns were one small portion of the contents of Pandora's box. You're not putting them back in there ... no one is.

The "problem" is clearly identified in MHDS' comment above ... "people who don't care about the laws or anyone else's safety." The problem is what needs to be addressed, and if elected president, I will solve that problem ... So help me God!! And then we can further address issues of gun control, like grip, or holsters, or where the best deal on the newest model can be had.


A question for the concerned readership of ATS: What scenario will allow TPTB an opportunity to get rid of the 2d Amendment? We ought to figure this out now, because I will guarantee there is already a plan on the books somewhere to do just that.



posted on Sep, 19 2013 @ 01:00 AM
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dreamingawake
Way to add to even more stereotypical views, to box certain people in, i.e. veterans.


Why do you think veterans are being boxed-in as a typically law-abiding group ... first? Being one, I believe:
1. It's because we've been conditioned to follow orders.
2. There's a low probability of us firing on our Brothers In Arms if they come to take them by force.
3. Toppling that one domino would start a major chain of events.

I really don't think you're going to see that during BHO's administration. Old boy's got too much on his plate cementing other pieces of the NWO agenda into place to deal with a minor issue like gun confiscation. TPTB know that grabbing guns would be an all too easy endeavor. They can't be distracted from goals that are obviously within their grasp.



posted on Sep, 19 2013 @ 01:03 AM
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You know what that question makes me a little paranoid
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Its not you in any way its just that a few dots just came smashing together in my brain.
Read recently about Government shills on conspiracy forums and also somewhere where they actually get a lot of ideas from us lot . Am I getting too eddgy or what


Any way hope I get over it.
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posted on Sep, 19 2013 @ 01:22 AM
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rt.com...

just saw it myself on RT news, was gonna post it first here or so I thought. Glad to see others helping out put the pieces together. First with the day in advance news articles posted, then deleted them and now hearing response team being denied entry... We are talking about a lone gun men killing very important military people on the inside, some with potentially very important knowledge it would be unfortunate to risk an intelligence officers lives on the inside when it can be saved especially when theres shooters on a rampage indoors shooting at site and not a Hostage Situation, big difference. I think the smart decision would have been to send them in immediately, even if it was 3 shooters in this scenario reportedly... who knows maybe they would have found out who the other two shooters were? Might have saved more lives, caught more villains, and found out more of the truth of what was happening...



posted on Sep, 19 2013 @ 02:14 AM
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This story is wholly sensationalism. There's nothing sensational at all about a disgruntled employee 'going postal' (remember when that catch phrase came into being) in a gun free zone. There are always going to be people who commit mass homicide. Anyone can commit mass homicide if you push their buttons just right. Hence, not a sensational act, just an act that has been sensationalized.

Where's the hue and cry to define this as an act of domestic terror? Why is that aspect of this story missing?



posted on Sep, 19 2013 @ 02:58 AM
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More on the Capitol police SWAT team being told to stand down. This is a Washington, DC TV news report by the reporter who broke the story:

WUSA9 TV News Report

Apparently the SWAT team was there with full gear and could have gone in but they were pulled back by their watch commander. Right after that, Metropolitan Police officer Scott Williams and one other officer went in by themselves and Williams was shot.

I don't want to second guess the watch commander's decision. I suspect that the watch commander might have been wondering if it could have been the start of something bigger and may have wanted them back at the Capitol. I'm sure a lot of people were wondering this, we certainly were here on this thread. But the newscast did make a point of saying there was another SWAT team at the Capitol. Apparently it's all going to be investigated now.



posted on Sep, 19 2013 @ 03:21 AM
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the fact that 4 different mainstream articles wrote the story one day before the incident occurred should raise an eye brow for anyone... I mean come on what's the more likely scenario, you think they got dibs on the story early or that they are fortune tellers.
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posted on Sep, 19 2013 @ 03:32 AM
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Here is another TV news story from WUSA9 in Washington, DC. Apparently the man talking is a member of the Navy Yard Police (or their union), and he gives quite a bit of detail that has been missing from news reports and that contradicts news reports which claimed that the shooter shot the one security guard on the way into the facility.

WUSA9: Navy Yard Police Union says they were understaffed

In case it's pulled or you can't view it, here is what was said (not sure if all names and streets are spelled correctly, I'm just typing them from the video):

There are supposed to be a minimum of 11 Navy Yard police officers on duty. But on the day of the shooting there were only 7 including their Chief of Police. 6 Navy Yard police officers were "on the gate," the Chief was supposed to be on patrol.

The Chief responded to [building] 197 by himself and got to 197 by himself.

The private security guard who was later killed was still alive and had not been shot yet. He told the Chief that the shooter was on the 4th floor and was shooting from the atrium.

While the Chief was engaged in conversation with the security guard, Major Bobby Easton arrived. Before Chief McKinney went up looking for the shooter he told the contract security officer to stand at the door and, "When my guys come, tell them where I'm at." The Chief and Major Easton then proceeded to the 4th floor to look for the shooter.

As they were looking for the shooter, the gates were being closed. The 6th street gate is the closest gate to 197. It's at the top of Isaac Hall Ave.

Once the gates were closed, two more Navy Yard police officers, Sergeant Jefferson and Captain Gardner, came down to where the security guard was at the door to 197. The security guard had stayed at the door as he was told to and he told them where the Chief was. The security guard was still alive and had not been shot yet. He was shot afterwards. The reporter verified this several times with the officer who was being interviewed. He verified that the security guard was still alive and had not been shot yet.

Meanwhile, the Chief and Major had identified and were chasing "the guy" [presumably the shooter] and the guy was then coming down from the 4th floor to the 2nd.

More people had arrived at the door where the security guard was. Sergeant Jefferson and Captain Gardner, both civilian Navy Yard police officers, led a team that also included an NCIS agent, a military person, a person that had come from 6th Street, as well as another security guard who had been in the lobby (4 or 5 people total). The team went looking for the individual, led by Sergeant Jefferson and Captain Gardner. As they went through 197, the individual [apparently the shooter] came down. The Chief saw that the security guard at the door didn't have his weapon out. The Chief said "Pull out your weapon." As the security guard went to pull out his weapon, he was shot by the shooter.

Then the shooter went to turn around and that's when he engaged the 4 or 5 man team led by Sergeant Jefferson and Captain Gardner. That was the first initial cross-fire. It was with the Navy Yard Police. At that point, the Metropolitan Police officers still had not showed up [inside the building at least] yet.




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