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A Woman, Empowered By Her Female Sexuality Is Formidable!

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posted on Sep, 17 2013 @ 05:52 AM
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"A woman empowered by her female sexuality is formidable."

...but then, anyone 'empowered' by their inherent nature is so...

Is a woman empowered by her male sexuality, formidable?

Empowerment, intimates  the charge to power...and while the realisation of inherent power (or capacity, really) is a good thing, it is the disbersement of that power that deems it excessive or not (this being a personal rationale).
Machismo is tawdry and boring (especially for men)...it is an excessive (often unchecked and patently egotistical - and this is not a quality held by men alone)...

As a balance, women should be as open to criticism on this front, as men are...

Å99




posted on Sep, 17 2013 @ 05:53 AM
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I'm not sure that is an accurate assessment. I'm not fond of either species but currently I have found a significantly larger number of humans that I like, compared to cats. Though I haven't run the numbers to prepare any metrics, I would say the data is worth a look. I think I can count two cats I've ever liked, and I'm sure there are at least that many humans I've encountered that have been tolerable or better.


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posted on Sep, 17 2013 @ 06:37 AM
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DeadSeraph

Korg Trinity
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Marketing 101....

A product is only worth what people are willing to spend on it...

Apparently as has been proven in ART circles, people can spend rather a lot on trash...

Peace,

Korg.




They say a picture speaks a thousand words...

In this case it raises just one in my mind....WHY??

Peace,

Korg.



posted on Sep, 17 2013 @ 06:56 AM
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Miley Cyrus is not a woman empowered by her sexuality. She is a woman following a directors orders.

'Just a little to the left luv... Stick your chin out baby that's right...' Someone's getting paid tonight.

Ignore my Sheldon Avi, behind it is a real woman empowered by her sexuality. Or at least I think I am. Here's why,

. I do not have sex with people for political, financial or competative reasons.

. I only dress sexy when I feel sexy and want to flirt with other people who are feeling sexy. Day to day I am dressed conservative, sexiness is not a 24/7 statement. Regardless of whether or not it is expected by people.

. I am experienced enough to know what I like and confident enough to ask for it. I do not feel a need to fake orgasms, If it doesn't turn me on but you want it anyway? Ok, if it's no harm. Just be the same with me.

. I will never marry. Or have children. It is not my desire, I would be crap at it and feel trapped. I will not go along with this social norm to seem normal.

. I am open to experimentation (or at least I was before I tried everything lol).

. I do not need multiple partners to prove I am a modern woman, I only need as many as I want.

. I am responsible for my own contraception and sexual health. I will start an open dialouge with a partner to discuss this without feeling squeemish.

. I can shop at a private shop like it is no more embarrssing than buying bread and milk.

Don't get me wrong, young women do need a time to go off the rails a bit when they are discovering themselves. It is natural. Wolves overkill after a harsh, hungry winter but by summer they only kill what they need to thrive on.



posted on Sep, 17 2013 @ 08:15 AM
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Sex,pleasure and reproduction are not for philosophy of manipulation.The intellect trumps all because pretty goes away without money and by aging.Then what?
If you rely on sexuality you are screwed.
Good looking is not enough, no one gets off that easy forever.



posted on Sep, 17 2013 @ 08:47 AM
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Regarding young Miley.

I don't think she is empowered, yet. She is not formiddable, rather she is very vulnerable.

Vulnerable because she has never had a normal life, has been excessivly flattered and worshipped, is pulled in many directions, she is not yet an adult, has no privacy and probably feels she can trust no one.

Personally I think she is beautiful and has a lovely body, even if she dos not have the 36-24-36 that some people have come to expect from thier half naked celebs. How many here that have criticised her looks would happily put a pic of themselves here? Dressed or not. No? Then you would probably feel as uncomfortable as Miley looked in the vid if made to do so because of a contract.

Have a heart people. A young woman is going through a difficult time for anyone her age and she is doing it in the public eye with bountiful criticism and exposure.

I hope she does become empowered though and takes control of herself and her life before she ends up another victim of the 27 club with plenty of other victims of life in the public eye.



posted on Sep, 17 2013 @ 08:53 AM
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cavtrooper7
Sex,pleasure and reproduction are not for philosophy of manipulation.The intellect trumps all [snip]


Indeed!

Korg.


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posted on Sep, 17 2013 @ 12:50 PM
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Have a heart people. A young woman is going through a difficult time for anyone her age and she is doing it in the public eye with bountiful criticism and exposure.
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Agreed - there's 2 issues here

She's young - and she's creative

She might be embarrassed about this now - she might be way more embarrassed about it in the future

Or not - who knows

My guess is - she'll look back on this and chuckle - just as I've looked back on some of my weird choices, embarrassing adventures and creative missteps and had a good laugh. Seriously - what woman hasn't worn, said, or done something she kinda sorta wishes she hadn't - even if it wasn't on a stage?

I don't suppose men ever have that problem? (ahem)

The truth of any of this is - it's only a story 'cause she's a girl

She's pretty, cute, talented and young - and she has a right to not be the public's personal virginal property forever. It's a right of passage we all enjoy - making a fool of ourselves just trying to grow up and be who and what we want to be

Anyhow - I saw that performance - watched it twice. Maybe there's something wrong with me (
) but I don't get why it's such a big deal



posted on Sep, 17 2013 @ 05:37 PM
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Awesome, can you just prove 2 things to me?
1) Where do i state that sleeping around is empowering?
2) Where have i stated that this is a thread with its roots in feminism?

I haven't. Seriously your reading comprehension sucks.


You said it yourself, that a woman who "owns" her sexuality and realizes the awesome power in her vagina, and bursts out of the mold and constraints of "expectation' is empowering :/
And by your language, I am like everyone else here, assuming you are a radical feminist by your accusations of "shaming", oppression and power over women. Plus, your baseless charge that the vagina is somehow better than the penis and that men are unable to even form more than one thought at a time....it's right there in black and white. If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, then we should probably assume that it is in fact, a duck.




Failing to see your point here.


It isn't my responsibility to explain things you have a hard time reading about online. I doubt anyone else had a problem with understanding the point.




Any adult who lets their child have a disney star as a role model is an idiot and reaping the rewards of making such a stupid decision. You cannot possibly, logically, have expected that that disney star would play the young innocent teen forever, people cannot be THAT gullible, can they!?


When did I say that I have these characters as role models? What is wrong with you? Seriously. My daughters' role models are the women in their life. That still doesn't make the sexual exploitation and marketed sexiness to my daughters any easier to deal with. You would understand if you actually took the time to learn about you were really seeing.




So just to be clear, teaching a woman to value her vagina is a bad thing? Okay ive got you. And apparently im uneducated, guess we should just keep girls under the belief that they shouldnt be proud or value that which makes the world go round.


Wow....I actually had to read that a few times to be sure of what I was reading :/ We are so much more than a vagina for crying out loud. And I will try my damnest to teach my children this. And to say that vaginas make the world go round is extremely disturbing as I would expect to hear this only from a dirty old man sitting outside of a roadside gas station....Geezus.




Manager's dont particularity impress me. Especially those who have to make it known on the internet that their in managment Niether have i suggest that women should be shoving their vagin'a in people faces or throwing them around like boomerangs. For a manager you dont seem to pay attention to detail to well - Though im not actually surprised by that fact



*Managers
*don't
*Neither
*vagina
*don't
*I'm

You're not impressed by my title? That's fine. I care not, I will not lose a blink of sleep.
You can barely spell, write, or form thoughts into sentences correctly. Like I give a # what you think about my career.




Radical? Ha. Gosh, you weren't tearing up while you wrote this are you?



Laughing, actually.




Suspiciously, you have time to do that while managing a fortune 100 company? You're post should be in the "ludicrous lies" section


*Your
I am actually just a store manager of this fortune 100 company, so it isn't all that hard.
Women can do incredible things, especially mamas. We can actually do things that don't involve our vagina!


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edit on 17-9-2013 by LadyMachiatto because: improper quotes



posted on Sep, 17 2013 @ 11:52 PM
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Hiya SearchLights,

I suppose the issue I have with the term 'slut shaming' and similarish words is it appears to be a defence that can be claimed by a person so long as they're willing to get naked enough whilst talking to claim it.

Miley is being pushed by a very efficient and powerful marketing agency. The person is constantly in the news, narratives are being spewed all over the place, she is showing up at number 1 spot of sexiest women ever in men's magazines, breaking youtube records ... How much of this is real? Consider how many real actual persons I've seen wandering around in reality lamenting at Miley's fall from grace, I'd say the public is being lead up the garden path.

To be honest I find the person over pushed and under talented. Can Miley sing without autotune software back up? From the live performances I've seen, the answer is overwhelmingly no. Was it a particularly artistic display? Nope. Were there some dumb comments by the media and the internet? Yes. That's not the patriarchy though, that's bad singing, good publicity!

There is some truth to what you're saying, but I'm not sure its acknowledging how far we've come with genuine talents such as Pink getting massive recognition and respect and being so awesome my head explodes every second Sunday. There has been a lot of progress on discussion of women's sexual empowerment and strength in the last five years. I suppose it just seems like you feel this isn't true? Maybe I wrong.


SearchLightsInc
I think what really irks society and some men is the fact that, if she places value on herself, then you to have to share and respect that value in order to get a look in. If she's in control then she decides if you're good enough to be considered.

I suppose it's just my personal experience, but this already seems to be the case in my social circles. I haven't seen huge amounts of rage about this in the West? Maybe I misunderstand the point?


SearchLightsInc
Boy's are taught in their teen's that calling girls name's is a great way to break down any confidence they have in their bodies and will result in those girls, seeking to restore that confidence lost by engaging in sexual acts to falsely win the respect of their peers. A sign of a boys's masculinity is his ability to manipulate a woman into submitting to his needs. Stop me if im wrong.

And I think perhaps this type of rhetoric damages dialogue with men?

I don't really think that college men are deeply considering the patriarchy mid coitus. I don't think there are man caves filled with thunderous high fives as high school students agree to begin sexual smear campaigns to raise the statistical likelyhood of sex. I'm being a little incredulous and funny, but in my social circles at least, men aren't immediately given a diplomatic immunity after a sexual conquest.

Even male persons with a lot of success with women are often considered jerks and sleazebags where I'm from, and rightly so. It's not what they do, it's how they do it.

I suppose I also wonder if this type of thing is unfair?:


SearchLightsInc
They may have left a man who was totally in love with them, because they wanted better for themselves. This results in the shaming and demonetization of women. The idea that they “cant be trusted” because they make decisions some men cant understand or benefit from.



In heterosexual intercourse men risk discovering in women an unsettling power which contradicts and undermines their own more obvious social, political and physical power. No wonder male sexual desire is so desperately tormented and full of conflict.

Because women know men to be vulnerable and fragile, they are often tempted to excuse them as 'just little boys' who need to over-compensate for their sense of inadequacy or 'womb-envy' with acts of spiteful misogyny.

- See more at: newint.org...

Essentially the above type of writing in Western culture takes the male experience and robs it from them.

Are men actually thinking ... wow I don't understand this and cannot benefit from it, I must shame women! Are men actually naturally moving to spiteful misogyny because they fear women's power? Or are men just as entitled to their self control and concerns as women?

I see women now and then hurl themselves at men's feet or go nuts at a celebrity but ... men? I've seen them walk into doors, pour coffee on their hands, and trip over their laces in groups of four or five because a person is pretty. That sudden urge to do more than usual and think less about it is probably very frightening for them. It happens to us all, but seemingly more common to men.

The unfortunate observation I've made is that a woman doesn't have to do anything particularly special to get this reaction, and due to some bad experiences men seem to become paranoid that women are aware of this super power and have the ability to turn it on and off at will. This sounds like am agreeing with the article you gave but ...

Misogyny is a real thing, but as a feminist I can't help but feel that forcing a feminist narrative reading on all male experience within Western culture is mimicking the very behaviour that we decry in the first place. Referencing extreme niche pornography and misogynistic judges is just as valid as MRAs (Men's Rights Advocates) collating quotes from extreme feminist journalist's comments and holding them up as representatives of all women everywhere. That's exactly what the linked article does.

The irony is that hundreds of years ago men did this to women. They replaced the woman's experience with whatever cereal box junk psychology they felt like to the point where we needed scientific empirical evidence for women's enjoyment of sex. I don't really want to be having to do the same thing in a few hundred years time, trying to prove that men don't naturally evolve to despise women and that pornography isn't purely about misogyny.

We discuss the trust of women and the body, but the trust of men is just as much a shredded mess of extremes and over simplified nonsense. Both young men and women have inexperienced, generalized, and immature approaches to gender and sexuality, and maybe acknowledging that first is a nice step forwards to discussing this type of topic.

As a feminist, I think it's pretty awesome that people like Miley can exist. I think people need to lay off complaining about her hair cut, I think it's punky awesome, but frankly if 50 Cent grew dreads and started singing acoustic country songs about world peace and preventative sex measures I think it would still get a massive reaction.

We devalue terms like slut shaming and misogyny when we apply them in general terms without strong evidence. In my experience, men don't hate women. They are certainly wary of the sway and power women have, but I guess I'll attack that when I stop crossing the street to avoid lone wandering men and refrain casting concerned looks when a man approaches a friend in a bar.

Let me know if I've read you wrong, and always interested in discussing this type of thing.

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posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 12:04 AM
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Some men live in worlds where feelings are dangerous.Us older guys don't really like to cry because of it. It sure says something about trust as well or the lack of it.
Men operate on a logical response to an action or event (before we use feelings) based on prior incidents or successes.
If one is selfish every body looses. Often they just can't get enough fun and value that above relationships.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 04:29 AM
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Firstly you make it sound like your CEO of a fortune 100 company, now your JUST a store manager? Im clapping a round circle for you, well done, pat on the back luv



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 06:32 AM
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Anytime a woman has to resort to nudity to make a living she has fallen into flat out desperation. There is nothing at all empowering about it. And right now Ms. Cyrus is looking pretty desperate. Empowering would be being sexually appealing while maintaining the mystery.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 06:45 AM
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KeliOnyx
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Empowering would be being sexually appealing while maintaining the mystery.


I think your avi is a great example of this. More than just a hint of sexiness and allure but classy and alluring at the same time.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 07:58 AM
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It must have been a Typo in the Title -

Readers Correction - A Woman, Empowered By Her Female Sexuality Is A Formidable [Killing Machine]!

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posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 08:01 AM
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Nearly all of the negative observations made by society regarding female behavior spring from religious doctrine, dunno if I stated that completely correctly or clearly, anyway...

The only thing that bugs me about women using their sexuality is when it's used for manipulation. Sex is a powerful thing and it should be noted that it is a natural thing and required for the survival of the species, that being said, I think it has way too much importance placed upon it. Consider food, we all have to eat to survive, but we generally don't get all weirded out about it when we don't get it for awhile.

I'm glad I'm old enough to see it for what it is and know better than to listen to what my small head is always screaming at me from down there....Some of the most physically beautiful women I have ever met ended up being very un-attractive in the end.

I'm Gone....

edit on 18-9-2013 by MyHappyDogShiner because: reasoning undisclosed for personal safety, you know how dangerous women can be...



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 08:34 AM
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YodHeVauHe
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It must have been a Typo in the Title -

Readers Correction - A Woman, Empowered By Her Female Sexuality Is A Formidable [Killing Machine]!

edit on 18-9-2013 by YodHeVauHe because: (no reason given)


Responding to my own post......as alluded to, my primary concern as to the content of this thread is the manner in which today's more aggressive women have made use of their newly discovered "empowerment."


Think for a moment about how easy the conversion would be for today's "empowered" women to transition from the "killing fields" of Americas abortion clinics to a war-game TV monitor and keyboard somewhere in the Kansas heartland as a member of say - the National Guard computer War-games console division. From both feet in the stirrups to both hands on the joystick - makes no difference really - to kill is to kill one way or another.


In her acceptance of such widespread abortion today's woman is actually quite prepared for her newly assigned role of 'combat soldier,' sailor or air(woman), but we probably won't be seeing too many female "boots on the ground" face to face with actual combat situations. It wasn't really the present administrations intention anyway; more like sitting behind a console killing the enemy from afar - perfect task for the modern "empowered" woman, and a good opportunity for projecting her passive aggressive nature/behavior to the point of full revenge - against whom?


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posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 09:38 AM
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YodHeVauHe
Think for a moment about how easy the conversion would be for today's "empowered" women to transition from the "killing fields" of Americas abortion clinics to a war-game TV monitor and keyboard somewhere in the Kansas heartland as a member of say - the National Guard computer War-games console division. From both feet in the stirrups to both hands on the joystick - makes no difference really - to kill is to kill one way or another.

Is there a study or something that backs up a connection between abortions and attitudes towards violence?

For the vast vast vast majority of women having an abortion is a huge decision that ripples through entire lives and families with psychological risks. If you take some time to look into the history of abortion and the outcomes of preventing it you would see that its been around for thousands of years and women are yet to be at the top of the recruiting line ... but there *is* a direct correlation between poor upbringings and attitudes towards violence.

The empowerment of women has had some amazingly positive effects on Western society even amongst disagreements and stumbles. I guess if I wanted to be lazy I'd point out that men don't need to have an abortion to bomb foreign countries.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 09:54 AM
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If I walked around with my dick hanging out to show my male power Im sure I would end up on a sex offenders list very qucikly......


It not about "Female" empowerment its about decency and standards. And Miley just showed herself to lack both.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 02:03 PM
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SearchLightsInc
I shouldnt really be surprised by the amount of men that seem to be taking offence at the notion that a woman who embraces her gender and sexuality is going to screw society up at we know it. Or secondly, that by embracing themselves they are in turn "proving a point to men"


A forum where you can't tell which gender people are...

And telling everyone who disagrees with you that they do so simply because they are men.

Truth is, you're the sexist one.


You're just not quite grasping the fact that a woman embracing her sexual identity has absolutely nothing to do with men and what they think about it. You just dont understand you're not apart of it. It doesn't require a penis, it requires a woman who can look at herself naked in a mirror and accept that she's won the genetic lottery.


Better lick everything in sight, then?

I'm sorry but this performance is scrutinized heavily because it's disgusting. The girls tongue is flailing everywhere, nothing she does is even remotely "sexy". All she is embracing is DRUGS.



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