A Woman, Empowered By Her Female Sexuality Is Formidable!

bigyin
Will these 'new' emboldened women still be doing the cooking, washing up, cleaning, hoovering, ironing, shopping, bringing up the kids, taking them to school, changing nappies, etc, etc .........


oh ok, I'm an old fashioned, out of touch, male chauvanist pig, I know, I know ..... how stupid of me to think that woman should be doing these things.


The problem is the world I live in and which most people live in requires somebody to do these things and if it's not the woman then the man will have to do it. So either we accept role reversal, or we accept sharing of the chores .... which by the way is what happens in my house.

My point is, it's all very well people like Miley Cyrus behaving as she does, but as a role model to young women it's not helping, because we now have a population of wannabes who have no interest in the everyday chores that need to be done.

Young women now have this idea that they can all be like these role models, they all want to be on x factor, they all want to look like a model ..... result ... a lot of unhappy disaffected people.

Instead of making stars out of sex crazed, money grabbing, fame seeking, bimbos I wish society would elevate women who do well at bringing up families, keeping nice homes, and work to create strong societies.

I'm glad to report that where I stay at least it would appear that most youngsters do not fall for the fakery, and in fact do turn out ok and lead normal well adjusted lives. Which means to say that Miley Cyrus is irrelevant.

Im actually very surprised by how this thread seems to have gone over everyone. Everyone wants to focus on miley cyrus and not discuss the other points i made. Though this kind of narrow minded thinking is actually very typical of male reasoning - They cant take more than one idea at a time so it makes sense that they pick the obvious and start slut shaming for stars haha

reply to post by SearchLightsInc


woman are sexual objects on one level. That is the level of power they yield. its not much more complicated than that.

It seems to me that a lot of people are thinking too much into this.

Sex is fun.

Some people crave attention.

Sex attracts attention.

Sex sells.

Hook, line and sinker.

reply to post by SearchLightsInc


I think Miley's behavior was more so a retaliation against Disney trying to control her life than it was a statement about her sexuality. You can also effectively use/make statements about your sexuality without acting unartistically obscene and frankly disgusting.

I think saying what she did was tasteful, meaningful, cultural, or woman-empowering is a cop-out.

A woman using her sexuality is indeed a formidable.. but I wound argue a man can have the exact same effect on a woman, whether his means are sexual or otherwise.

reply to post by SearchLightsInc


I'm a woman. Miley is being skanky. She certainly doesn't appear to be respecting herself in any sort of way.

PS - Most men already know women are capable of multiple orgasms - and they get child-support when they leave their child's father.

Most good men worth having want more - and give more- than "sex". And respectable women give respect where it's due.

I kind of worry about what kind of world you live in.

wingsfan

SearchLightsInc
I shouldnt really be surprised by the amount of men that seem to be taking offence at the notion that a woman who embraces her gender and sexuality is going to screw society up at we know it. Or secondly, that by embracing themselves they are in turn "proving a point to men"

Even though I don't see eye-to-eye with you I can make deductions. You're intelligent, witty, sarcastic, funny, prideful with a strong backbone, and even open to fair debate on touchy issues. I don't know wth you look like, but I can say your respectable. Does that NOT mean anything? I don't need to see you naked to tell you that.

Indeed you dont, though a woman doesnt have to be naked to exert power over her own body. I wasnt praising her for getting naked to an audience of millions - I was praising her for making a statement that says "Im not hannah montanna, im a WOMAN" I just cant believe how much its "shocked" the world, why is it so shocking that she's happy to get naked and swing around on a wrecking ball? Where's the shame??

And I have NO problems with women wanting to express their sexuality. What miley did wasn't sexual it was degenerate, and it clearly wasn't of her own doing. This young woman is being exploited, and yes there is probably men behind that, take it out on those filthy bastards.

I genuinely believe if she didnt want to do it, she wouldnt have. If it was a break through "artist" then id be more suspicious that she was coaxed into it.

As for the guy she grinded on, you're right. He is even worse. He has an uncut vid on youtube that clearly states women are useless ho's for him and his boys, all while being married with kids.

Yeah i have no love for him and i'll level with you, im not a fan of miss cyrus, but people were getting pathetic over nothing and it just got me thinking, hence this thread.

I'm just saying, can we all dial back the raunchy stuff a few notches, men and women?

By all means, music videos NEED to be toned down, but then i refer you to the second part of my thread about how girls/women are raised.

HairlessApe
reply to post by SearchLightsInc

 

I think Miley's behavior was more so a retaliation against Disney trying to control her life than it was a statement about her sexuality. You can also effectively use/make statements about your sexuality without acting unartistically obscene and frankly disgusting.

I think saying what she did was tasteful, meaningful, cultural, or woman-empowering is a cop-out.

But think of it in these terms:

She knowingly acted as she did knowing how distasteful, meaningless and culturally improper it would be, yet proceeded anyhow because she is comfortable enough with herself to not let others dictate her worth.

This girl is being shamed from all angles, yet its like water off a ducks back. She defends her actions. She's a woman not a girl who's going to let other people tell her what respectful and what's downright wrong. I think its bugs people to not have that grip on her any longer.

Happy1
reply to post by SearchLightsInc

 

I'm a woman. Miley is being skanky. She certainly doesn't appear to be respecting herself in any sort of way.

PS - Most men already know women are capable of multiple orgasms - and they get child-support when they leave their child's father.

Most good men worth having want more - and give more- than "sex". And respectable women give respect where it's due.

I kind of worry about what kind of world you live in.

Get with someone from mainland China. They aren't prude, but they don't have that western sex stigma.
(My girlfriend is from Beijing)

Happy1
reply to post by SearchLightsInc

 

I'm a woman. Miley is being skanky. She certainly doesn't appear to be respecting herself in any sort of way.

PS - Most men already know women are capable of multiple orgasms - and they get child-support when they leave their child's father.

Really not sure what multiple orgasms has to do with this lol

Most good men worth having want more - and give more- than "sex". And respectable women give respect where it's due.

I kind of worry about what kind of world you live in.

Perhaps my grass is greener than yours lol

Tell me happy1, have you always felt good looking at yourself naked in a mirror?

SearchLightsInc

HairlessApe
reply to post by SearchLightsInc

 

I think Miley's behavior was more so a retaliation against Disney trying to control her life than it was a statement about her sexuality. You can also effectively use/make statements about your sexuality without acting unartistically obscene and frankly disgusting.

I think saying what she did was tasteful, meaningful, cultural, or woman-empowering is a cop-out.

But think of it in these terms:

She knowingly acted as she did knowing how distasteful, meaningless and culturally improper it would be, yet proceeded anyhow because she is comfortable enough with herself to not let others dictate her worth.

This girl is being shamed from all angles, yet its like water off a ducks back. She defends her actions. She's a woman not a girl who's going to let other people tell her what respectful and what's downright wrong. I think its bugs people to not have that grip on her any longer.

Being obscene isn't artistic, and it's a poor and uncreative way to make a point. Society DOES collectively decide what is and is not disrespectful, and it is no single persons right or responsibility to change that.

She can do whatever she wants. Congratulations - freedom - Yay. So can the rest of us. Most of us do have our own little taboos that we cherish. If she was being oppressed I would feel differently about it. If she kissed a guy and was shamed for it I'd stand up. When gays are spoken down upon - I defend them assuming they would like me to speak up. This was not the case with Miley. She was rude and lewd, and nothing else. Was her statement "women are sexual and should be proud of it?" If it was, great. I guess we should all let our vag's and balls hang out and tell anyone who disagrees to go fudge themself for being prude.

When being obscene for the sake of "because I can" and nothing more becomes a culture's only way of "pushing the bar" then in my opinion that culture had ceased producing anything meaningful.

All I'm saying is - I can go to a strip club if I want to. We have designated areas for that type of thing because many people are bothered by such displays. Publically breaking cultural taboos that are in place for the sake of common courtesy and decency by ghetto butt-dancing is not an act worthy of respect much less applause.

HairlessApe

Being obscene isn't artistic, and it's a poor and uncreative way to make a point. Society DOES collectively decide what is and is not disrespectful, and it is no single persons right or responsibility to change that.

And yet society loses that ability to decide what is right or wrong when the individual rejects the status-quo.
Miley cyrus is clearly rejecting societies idea's that she is a whore etc and its bugging the # out of people.

She can do whatever we want. Congratulations - freedom - Yay. So can the rest of us.

Could you really handle the bad press she's getting?

When being obscene for the sake of "because I can" and nothing more becomes a culture's only way of "pushing the bar" then in my opinion that culture had ceased producing anything meaningful.

You've only just noticed this?

Music culture hasnt produced anything meaningful in... a long long time.

reply to post by HairlessApe


I'm not being sarcastic or nasty here - what's the western "sex stigma"?

And to the OP - yea, I feel OK about looking in the mirror - and I just turned 50.

I guess sex is sexier when it's between consenting adults and not in the public eye - but in the bedroom, dining room, deserted beach .....

What american hasn't seen ALL the pornography you can readily get on the internet - and - what are 12 year old children (who don't have the adult's viewpoint on morals/life decisions/privacy) see on the internet?

reply to post by SearchLightsInc


I edited my above post. Reply to the added stuff if you wouldn't mind and then I'll reply again.

< gone to work >

reply to post by Happy1


The "stigma" I'm referring to is the pressure most westerners feel to have sex. I think a lot of young adults in the West feel bad in one form or another if they hang on to their virginity for too long.

Even the religious are often in a hurry to get married. There's a reason.

Perhaps one day Ms Cyrus will have a daughter of her own, and it will be interesting to see if she takes her clothes off in public and performs a lewd act.

reply to post by SearchLightsInc


This entire thread and its premise reminds me of a joke.

Little Johnny runs up to Little Suzi, drops his pants, points to his John Thomas
and says, "HA HA, Ive got one of these and YOU DON"T have one...HA HA!"

Little Suzi runs away crying....

The next day the same thing happens with Little Johnny taunting little Suzi.

But that day, when Little Johnny finishes his taunt, Little Suzi whips down
her knickers, points to herself, and says quite proudly, "Well, I've got one of
these...and my mum says with one of these I can ALL OF THOSE I WANT!!"

Little Johnny runs away crying....

HairlessApe
Publically breaking cultural taboos that are in place for the sake of common courtesy and decency by ghetto butt-dancing is not an at worthy of respect much less applause.

What are "cultural taboos" if not entirely SUBJECTIVE and most often than not entirely irrational?

What are the "cultural taboos" in the middle east, in the US, in Europe or in whatever other countries?
In the M/E it is a taboo if a woman doesn't cover her body and face. Doing so is "obscene".

What is "obscene" any way? What is "decency"?

Compare those values to those 30 years ago...50 years ago... TODAY...and in 10 or 20 years.
There IS no such thing.

It's illusions and "agreed upon" ideas which are laughed upon 10 years later. What was "decent" 40 years ago is now laughable. The outrage today is something to laugh at once society progresses.

If you realize that all the taboos and values like "decency" or what is "morale" has really no substance and is ALWAYS in the eye of the beholder and highly subjective, you will realize the IRRELEVANCY to get outraged by something as irrelevant and non-exciting as a singer dancing semi-nude in a music video.

Not only that, it goes way, way farther than what meets the eye...the "cultural taboos" are not only applying to what appears to you as "non decent behavior"...entire societies are based on cultural taboos and SOCIALLY ADAPTED BELIEFS.

In some cultures, a woman (or a man) is pushed in a "role" from their birth, not because it is "rational" or makes any sense...and things which are "normal" in one society are unthinkable in another. Think about those cultures where a woman has no rights whatsoever and is expected to be obedient for her entire life with the utmost goal to marry someone as early as possible which concludes her life.

BREAKING OUT of those silly cultural taboos and beliefs is a good thing. Conforming to them always means to limit yourself. And there is no reason to do so. I am not saying that what M. did was an act of creativity or whatnot...but it's just an example of roles "assigned" to someone and how people freak if someone dares to step over those boundaries

reply to post by SearchLightsInc


As a man of a good many years dealing with females across variety of social and cultural systems, I basically agree with you. Of course, what you say is obvious and we see the pros and cons of it in operation every day.

You have to be blind to not recognize it. But it is not sexuality that is the total key, only half. The other aspect is the fact that men can't help themselves by being overtaken by the most basic urges of nature in the need to have a woman or any woman.

In short, as is often said and suggested, when a woman is around, a man's thinking abilities moves downward from one head to another. Hell. Watch Fox News! What do you see, miles of legs, long hair (usually blonde for the most part--I expect everyday to see Harris show up as a blonde) and distinguishable bosoms on display. Their innate sexuality is part of the problem. It carries right along with it an air of superiority wrapped up with every male's need for a mother goddess to poke the end result is his surrender rational thought.

Young, attractive women automatically exuded sexuality because nature must operate that way. Men behave as they do for exactly the same basic reason. This means that the playing field is NEVER equal. The gals always have the upper hand, or at least more leverage than she should. If she shows a little leg or cleavage and some intelligence, she is on her way to being a vice-president over a roomful of guys in white shirts, ties in drab business suits.

We in the West have turned over our power to the females because our roles have been greatly reduced from the, shall we say, he-man, provider side. One of the major problems the Middle East has with the Western world is that the men there learned long ago to dominate that power women instinctively have and keep them covered, barefoot and pregnant while the guys go about their business of running their world. the took the power of Cleopatra to heart.

Neither approach is fair, reasonable or best, but the trade secret of sleek, crossed thighs and tumbling mammanaries has won the day! But the bottom line is that such power puts Western men in a similar position as the Middle Eastern female, unfairly disadvantaged on purely leveraged, natural roles of the sexes. No one should applaud such a situation or consider it best or better.

When being obscene for the sake of "because I can" and nothing more becomes a culture's only way of "pushing the bar" then in my opinion that culture had ceased producing anything meaningful.

You've only just noticed this?

Music culture hasnt produced anything meaningful in... a long long time.

That's an opinion. I find plenty of music I like today, it's just not in the limelight. But I want referring to music, I was referring to behavior.