reply to post by Kali74
Yes my post history on this subject is quite indicative that I take such things lightly. (Sarcasm)
Perhaps I worded that a bit harshly. Please forgive me.
The problem is that brick wall you mentioned that I keep banging my head against. It does get frustrating at times. You'll see why as I
I have endless faith in humanity's innovative capacity. Fossil fuels are a finite resource that we are going to have to figure out an
alternative to eventually, be it 50 years or 500 provided we last that long.
I have great faith in humanity's ability to innovate as well. Look at what we have accomplished in the last two decades alone. But all of these
innovations have taken place within the framework of physics. We can accomplish miracles within that framework, but nothing outside it.
Maybe the fact that so many people expect the impossible is a result of our own abilities. When we can take a problem and by looking at it from
another angle solve what originally appeared to be impossible, it can lead people to believe that nothing is impossible. The truth is that not
everything is possible; physical laws cannot be breached.
What? We are not capturing wind thus removing it from the climate. Just simply allowing it to turn turbines and generate power. How... I don't
Ah, here's a great explanation of those physical laws not being able to be broken. And a reason I feel like I am banging my head against a wall.
Wind turbines do not generate power. Wind turbines take kinetic energy from moving air masses (wind) and convert it into electrical energy. As the
wind encounters the vanes of a turbine, the air is slowed and the decrease in energy is transferred to rotary motion of the vanes, which can then be
transferred into electrical energy by generators. Nothing generates power.
The slowing of the winds means there is less energy left in the winds. Now, that is not to say that wind turbines are damaging the environment; I have
seen no data to suggest they are making an appreciable difference and do not expect to. However, there is a point at which enough turbines would
decrease the energy of the prevailing wind patterns to enough of an extent to affect climate. I do not know where that point is, and don't think
anyone else does either, but it is sufficient for my point to say that such a point does indeed exist. If we exceed that point, we will affect the
I think you overestimate how much has been invested in research or development. Not to mention the cronyism that pocketed hundreds of millions
with nothing to show for it and before you start hopping up and down with exactly's a bunch of assholes behaving badly doesn't warrant turning your
Actually, my position on solar power is not based on historical successes or failures; I mention those to try and not bang my head on a brick wall any
more than necessary. But, if you insist...
Solar energy, based on present technology, relies on semiconductor layers displacing positive holes from one layer to another due to the energetic
collision of photons with semiconductor matrices. This imbalance causes electrons to flow to re-establish a voltage balance, producing electricity.
The efficiency is at present around 50% (I believe), while a few inventors have declared unverified results above that. Regardless of the efficiency,
the ability of the solar cell is still limited to the amount of solar energy it encounters, which is at a fairly fixed level.
In addition, the direct conversion produces DC low-voltage power. We use AC high-voltage power for transmission, in order to minimize line losses. The
cost of converting between low-voltage DC and high-voltage AC, maintaining the true sine wave necessary for many electrical needs, is high, and does
not respond well to the economies of scale. As the power conversion increases, the cost and complexity increases faster while the efficiency rate
decreases. That's why solar works so well for low-voltage lighting: there is no conversion, no transmission of power, and the amount of energy needed
for low-output lighting is less than the readily available energy from the sun.
I did not start dismissing solar power over Solyndra... I laughed at Solyndra, just as I earlier mentioned those in the know laughing, because they
were working on something that was simply not possible within our present technology and based on physical laws. I began to dismiss solar power when I
tried to design a solar power generator for my home and realized the inability of solar power to provide such.
Solar cells are also expensive for the power they produce over a lifetime, but I will concede that is a situation where innovation may make a change
to the dynamic.
It's an idea that needs to stop being pitched and a method that needs to be done away with.
100% agreed, and that is my largest concern with Global Warming Theory. If it were not true that acceptance of the theory entails acceptance of the
political scams that accompany it, I would be much less vocal about these threads.
That is not the case, however. At this point in history, the sole purpose of global warming reports is to perpetuate the political agendas that start
with carbon credits. I do not see that dynamic changing any time soon, because as long as people believe in global warming and cry for action to
prevent it, governments have a cash cow staring them in the face. Let the political agendas be removed from the scientific analysis, and you will see
Al Gore, Barrack Obama, and James Hansen never speak of it again.
Pure inanity. The UN only has as much power as the United States is willingly to lend it and member nations are not required to participate in
any kind of carbon program.
Key phrase: whatever power the US decides to give it. If that power aids the United States in accomplishing a goal, do you think for one moment they
will not utilize the UN to achieve their goals?
As for nations not being required to comply, I remember a day in my own lifetime when no one was required to buy insurance, no one was required to
wear seat belts, no one was required to have cars inspected, no one was required to wear a motorcycle helmet, and no one was required to pay for
garbage disposal. Back then, occasionally someone would mention how those things could be done, and everyone else would laugh... "that's not
Today it's reality.
Things change... power can be increased, consolidated, leveraged, and used for personal agendas. Never say political change is not possible, because
it is possible if the people allow it.
Climate reports come out on a near daily basis.
Climate reports do not garner widespread public attention and media support on a near daily basis.
Oh I'm sure they own plenty of stocks in renewables as well as having their own back-up plan to stay in the energy business if we burned the
last drop of oil and vapor of natural gas tomorrow but I don't think they've invested a dime more than they've had to and purely for utility
requirements per state.
Do you think they are required to invest in certain companies?
As for those hugely expensive wind turbines?
That's still a lot of cash to front for a new turbine.