Hands off Islam, page 1
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Topic started on 13-11-2004 @ 11:42 AM by KAOSKTRL
You cant judge Islam by the actions of a few muslims
You cant judge Islam by the history of the religion
You cant judge Islam by the scripture
You have to judge Islam by evils commited by other groups in the past the lies told to protect Islam and Islams good intentions

Afshin Ellian / ‘In their eyes i’m a traitor’
by Wilma Kieskamp
2004-11-13


Afshin Ellian, rights-philosopher (or law-philosopher) , born in Iran, feels its is his civil duty to warn the world for political Islam, which now also threatens Holland. “If I still dare? I’d prefer many more dare. Now i feel unprotected.”
www.trouw.nl...


...He didn’t make it any easier for himself this past week with this performance on Netwerk (Dutch daily news-show), on the night of the Van Gogh-murder. Ellian spoke a column for the camera. In the discussion afterwards he grew into great rage. Another guest Mohammed Benzakour claimed that the murder of Van Gogh did not originate from religion. The murder DID, Ellian responded in anger. “This murderer went to a mosque, he has an imam, he has a mother, and he learned everything from the Quran!” he yelled at his opponent. “To commit a murder, to make a sacrifice. For a perverse God! And you should say that!” ...

...Especially since september 11th 2001, and now after the death of Theo Van Gogh, Afshin Ellian is resuming political opinion. “After September 11th I almost felt it as my civil duty. I saw what others perhaps couldn’t see: we are in Iran. A strange sense of joy overcame me, in 2001, and now again. Maybe finally the West too will understand how political Islam wants to overthrow the world. I have to warn. Another thing that was an issue, is that we were living with our own young kids in a multicultural neighbourhood. I was shocked immensely over the large groups of Muslims for whom Islam was the only thing they could hold on to while searching for their own identity. And I knew how dangerous it can be if those people were to be enchanted by radical Islam.”

“I now know what the solution is for this gigantic problem. The answer I found in the books I devoured in my studying room. In the Dutch constitution which delivered me from my uncaring. In Nietzsche, Rousseau, the bible, the Quran. I’ve embraced the enlightenment. And i’ve learned that the conscience can only function if ideas are scrutinised sharply. And that is exactly what is missing in Islam. The only solution is that Islam itself is discussed. Polemics is the solution. Daring to make jokes. Even mock. It should go hand in hand. But for years this was not allowed in progressive Holland. Hands off of Islam.”


reply posted on 14-11-2004 @ 06:53 PM by Vitalij
Originally posted by TruthStrgnrThanFiction
90% of Islam is actually an APOCOLYPTIC faith..IE alot of Islams focus is on the "end times" ...or to put it this way Islam relies on the "end of the world" situation as a fuel for its fire..bringing us to the second point ...READ THE KORAN RESEARCH IT ONLINE...ISLAM beleives it will "subdue" "conquer" "control" "overcome" "subject" the ENTIRE WORLD (that includes seculiar) to its beliefs BEFORE "JUDGEMENT DAY"


Islam is just yet another false religion. But speaking of apocalyptic developments, Islam is the Gravedigger of Judaism and Christianity

The final stage of a fight with islamic terrorism heartbreakingly resembles a plot of a famous movie "Titanic". But this time all the confronting forces gathered aboard a symbolic ship "Titanic 2", and only those will escape with their lives who will manage to leave it during the trip. In my articles I do not rely on the data from regular media, as they only reflect something that has already taken place. And to me all that does not present any interest, for the overall plan of the developing events and unavoidable stage of the destruction of the USA and a whole christian psycholayer, including Judaism, were known to me long long ago, thanks to the technical capabilities of Cosmic Relaxation. Admittedly, later on this cup of woe will not miss the world of Islam as well.


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 03:49 PM by karl 12
reply to post by KAOSKTRL

Hands off islam!


For a moment there I thought this was a thread about shariah law and the removal of hands.


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 04:08 PM by silencer
Originally posted by Bombeni
Is why they embrace death because once they are all dead they will meet Allah and that is when they get their virgins?


You cannot generalize. You have to look at the big picture. Some of these Muslims are convinced that the Western world is their enemy. This is what drives them to do suicide bombings. It is not the virgins that entices as much as the MSM would love to portray that.

There is a war going on. Most of these people in Afghanistan and Iraq did not ask for it. They are being bombed and killed everyday. Some of them have lost their homes, families, everything. They have nothing to live for.

I personally believe that unless a person has experienced full on war in their own backyard, they can never understand the pain some of these people are experiencing. It's easy to sit at your house behind a keyboard and judge people. It's a different story when there are tanks outside in your street.

Another thing people ignore to address is that both the wars were started on lies and deception. When people die there, its collateral damage, but if a single person is killed here in the U.S., it's a terrorist attack. People here call them terrorists. If you were in their shoes over there, then the illegal U.S. occupation perpetrators would be the terrorist. Terrorism is in the eye of the beholder.

I know the murderer at Fort Hood was asked not long ago to give his opinion on suicide bombers, he said "we embrace death more than you embrace life" --- strrrrrrrrange.


Nothing strange about it. Ask any soldier if they would die for their country and they would give you a big YES.

[edit on 11/10/2009 by silencer]
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