This Is What Happens When Bigotry and Intolerance Is Promoted Nationaly.

reply to post by Cuervo


Well, if you are going to refer to nature, then I have to disagree with you. In nature, the alpha males kill all competitors or those who are not part of the group, so by natural means, it is not odd that gangs of people attack those not like them after all, they are just doing what is natural.

What separates us from animals is conscience. It is an innate knowing of right and wrong as children, and then learning to be manipulative, vile, mean little snots who pick on anyone who doesn't fit in so they can feel like part of the group. I have watched it all my life. Just watch people ostracize anyone stepping out of line. This shows any others who want to express their individuality what will happen to them, and thus group control by the strongest. As far as I can tell, the world is going down the crapper fast.

reply to post by Khaleesi


Of course I would rather they see neither but I don't understand why one is acceptable in the eyes of many while the other is not. For some reason, most (religious) Americans would rather they expose their children to mind-numbing levels of life scarring violence (which is NOT natural) versus human sexuality (which IS natural). I don't want to see children being taught to masterbate in kindergarden or being taught to kill and only a mad man would but this ISN'T a perfect world...you don't get to choose "neither".
What you CAN do is teach and guide them so that they can make the right decisions when faced with the adversity you describe. Teach them properly and trust them to make their own choices because you can't prevent their exposure to the things you hate...and when they screw up (as we all know they will) just tell them you love them anyways...but thats just me and what do I know.

-Peace-

Helious

Cuervo

suz62

Cuervo

suz62
Some people are outraged by the failure of other humans to act as nature intended.

Nature did intend for a certain percentage of the population to be gay. Nature did not intend on humanity using their violence to dispense social "justice" towards others.

Social prejudice is not natural. Gay folks are.

I disagree. It is clear what nature intended by virtue of the design of the sexual organs. Procreation only occurs with a man and a woman. For whatever reason, gays don't follow the programming.

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Procreation is not always favorable for the survival of a species. There are 1,500 species that exhibit homosexual behavior in nature. I'm pretty convinced that the ratio of gay to straight people fluctuates according to need. Just like certain species will change genders if there is a demand for it.

Our collective biological human subconscious is much smarter than you give it credit for.

You can debate the nature of social interactions within the human and animal world and how species interact with each other but please don't try to insinuate that nature intended a gay world. It's ludicrous and comes off as patently desperate.

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no, nature intended a world with gays, as well as infinite variety. homosexuality has existed in all cultures at all times, so what's unnatural here?

i will say this: many of the political and religious leaders most virulently pushing and exploiting the anti-gay agenda in russia and elsewhere will turn out to be practicing homosexuals--this is always the case.

btw, it's not the u.s. vs. the world; canada, all of western europe, mexico city, argentina and other s. american countries, south africa and australia are some of the places which are already on board with accepting people as they are while protecting rights and promoting equality. when you said 'the rest of the world' wouldn't go along with us, were you speaking from a cave dweller's perspective?

Whats going on in Russia is NOT the Same as a christians or catholics disagreeing with Same Sex Marriage.
what Putin is doing is beyond that. A person can Disagree without hating them.

The media ignores the slaughtering of Catholics and Christians by the so called rebels in Syria and by the Muslim Brotherhood in egypt whole christian viliages are whipe out but no one cares about that

reply to post by beastnwokillah


Your reply was disgusting. So, let me see, if a group of perverts get you alone, put a gun to your head, you are saying you will die? Gee, let's see you fight them off, and when they have you beat down, strip off your clothes and make you do whatever they please, we can all ridicule you and say you were asking for it. Or maybe if will be your wife they can attack and let's see what you do with that gun to your head.

Your lack of morals astounds me.

"They will know you are my disciples by the love you show one to another". Maybe you are not a Christian, but if you are, consider our Lord's words.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Well in the USA its just the opposite, whites, normal strait people, and Christians are discriminated against by main stream media and the government, by black gangs and homosexuals.
Oh but that's ok, so long as you don't say anything bad about blacks, gays, or Muslims you can rip on whites and Christans all you want too.

UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Well, if you are going to refer to nature, then I have to disagree with you. In nature, the alpha males kill all competitors or those who are not part of the group, so by natural means, it is not odd that gangs of people attack those not like them after all, they are just doing what is natural.

When we talk of alpha males and their competitors, we are talking about other males who can potentially compete for the females. This excludes gay males, doesn't it? I understand your point but I just wanted to clarify that alpha males attack threats to their status. This is why alpha males in society who are truly alpha aren't running around beating up outcasts. I think our society confuses true alpha male status with every single jock who tries to be alpha male and those are the ones who are hostile towards anything weaker than them, threat or not.

UnifiedSerenity
What separates us from animals is conscience. It is an innate knowing of right and wrong as children, and then learning to be manipulative, vile, mean little snots who pick on anyone who doesn't fit in so they can feel like part of the group. I have watched it all my life. Just watch people ostracize anyone stepping out of line. This shows any others who want to express their individuality what will happen to them, and thus group control by the strongest. As far as I can tell, the world is going down the crapper fast.

I almost agree with this 100%.

The part I don't agree with is the last line. I'm pretty sure we've gotten much better in this regard. Do you think we could have the sexual and religious tolerance we have today back in the 50's? We are headed in the right direction and, regardless of media focus, there is less and less hate crimes as the years go on. Our descendants won't be having conversations like this in 50 years from now.

Great assessment, thank you.

Cuervo
Latent fears and desires. It is why it's called homoPHOBIA. The fear part comes from having to look at your own latent preferences.

Thank you. We somehow wound up hating who we really are. Neither religion, law, nor peer pressure can actually change us. They only make us neurotic.

Hahaha,

This thread became a big futile exercise in making excuses for Putin.

SearchLightsInc
Always amazed how people come on these threads and defend thug behaviour because they dont like/understand homosexual behaviour. Using "logic" in regards to nature to state that its okay to victimize people because "That's what god intended for bad people"

Sad fact is, if there were stories of people being filmed, forced to admit that they were of some religious sect, and then brutally beaten after that fact - I'd have a problem with it.

I dont like or understand your religion or your need to try and spread it the length and breadth of the earth but i wouldn't defend some thug who sought to persecute you, however wrong i feel your beliefs are.

I hope the gay's of russia begin to fight back. Dont let themselves feel ashamed for who they are.

Whaaaaaaat? Defend? Some people here have problems reading words on a page. I didn't see anybody defending the thugs that did the beating. Please point to me where you read that.

Peace out.

Staged rainbow hammer and sickle agenda

Kaboose
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

Well in the USA its just the opposite, whites, normal strait people, and Christians are discriminated against by main stream media and the government, by black gangs and homosexuals.
Oh but that's ok, so long as you don't say anything bad about blacks, gays, or Muslims you can rip on whites and Christans all you want too.

Oh yeah, there's tons of "normal" white straight Christians being discriminated against by the government and gangs of blacks and homosexuals.


Yeah, I hate those black homo gangs too. Always putting the white man down. We need to get some good ole' fashioned lynching going, amirite?


/sarcasm



What kind of sick, warped fantasy world are you living in?

Please give some evidence / examples of your claims, if you insist on making ridiculous claims that seem to defy the reality that 95% of us seem to be living in (in stark contrast to what you describe.)

reply to post by terriblyvexed


Yeah it is pretty strange that sometimes when straight people abuse gay people they molest them, or have them do sexual things. Yeah because a actual hetero person just decides to force a gay person to have sex them them, or do other disturbing tasks to them. Seems to me when people do this their basically trying to show their peers that their not gay at all, their the last thing from that. Which is kind of ironic when you think about it. If you want to show your 100% heterosexual, then just stay away from gay people all together. I don't see how that would be hard to do. And I think these people that do these things may in fact be "self hating gay people." By this I mean that since society, and other aspects of life have deemed homosexuality as "wrong" that they feel they need to harass people to become more comfortable with themselves, which can be dangerous under the right circumstances. And may try to be on board with the majority's thinking.

Because it doesn't really make sense how a "hetero" person would go around making gay people do "gay" things just for entertainment/fun. Am I the only one who sees something wrong with that picture?

kenpachi7

Hoosierdaddy71
I can't believe this thread. The communist don't give a damn what you think about gays.
They also don't treat gays any worse that the Arabs treat woman. Yes I know thats not right either.
You have freedoms of speech and expression, they don't.

I may have just read this wrong, but did you just imply that modern russia is communist or...? I also might add that the soviet union wasn't communist either (though you could argue it was pretty close until Stalin came into power) and that most modern communists/socialists/ect. are all for gay rights and equality of all sexes, races, sexual orientations, ect.

Dude if you believe that Russia is a constitutional republic i got some Bigfoot meat to sell ya.
Maybe Hugo Chavez told you that. He was (elected) also.
I will admit communist is the wrong term for them, maybe socialist is a better fit.
Either way they don't like gays and we sure are not going to change their minds.

reply to post by Lingweenie


nope I see it, and I don't understand it.

I also agree that it's anger of themselves too, why else would you care what someone else dose, unless you're seeing yourself in that image?

I have no problem giving cat calls to ladies, so if I catch a few what leg do I have to stand on to get angry?

If you're comfortable with you're sexuality a gay person is of no concern to you I believe.

Maybe one day we'll be tolerate enough that these angry, and confused people can live a happy life, but I doubt it.

reply to post by Hoosierdaddy71


They're about as communist as china (which means they're pretty much some of the most corrupt capitalists on earth)

reply to post by kenpachi7


Haha! Fair enough..

UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Well, if you are going to refer to nature, then I have to disagree with you. In nature, the alpha males kill all competitors or those who are not part of the group, so by natural means, it is not odd that gangs of people attack those not like them after all, they are just doing what is natural.

What separates us from animals is conscience. It is an innate knowing of right and wrong as children, and then learning to be manipulative, vile, mean little snots who pick on anyone who doesn't fit in so they can feel like part of the group. I have watched it all my life. Just watch people ostracize anyone stepping out of line. This shows any others who want to express their individuality what will happen to them, and thus group control by the strongest. As far as I can tell, the world is going down the crapper fast.

I think it still comes down to learning from their parents because if you go to other countries, India, Africa are two good examples, the kids aren't really like that when they're growing up. They really, really aren't. It's America....