Why do you even make the connection? Religious "morality" isn't morality at all; it's a threat. In Christianity, for example, it's called "sin" and sin makes a person unfit for their god. They use the term "god-fearing" for a reason. Most religions enforce morality out of some sort of threat like this.
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99% of all human reasoning of good and bad came from a religious source.
Also, 99% of all human laws originated from a religious source.
Name 3 human morality that didn't come from a religious source and I'll eat a ghost pepper.
Edit. Religion was needed in our tribal days. Look at those recently discovered tribes - they all had a religious figure and followed a religious plan. Religious people will prosper as a community while the ones without won't. The ones without, pure speculation, died out because the strong ruled over the weak - they also saw the weak as slaves. They died out...no one wants their kids growing up like that, with no hope, no food, and being weak forever. We are no longer in our tribal days, but I sure as heck don't want to live in a Mad Max world.
Also, I favored living religious figures. They were the doers and showed us how we should live...they lived how they wanted us to live. I do not favor those people who said, 'So I talked to God today, this is what we need to do.'
Those people seem to be the ones who corrupted man and caused much death. Old testament is full of death. Koran - same and got worse when their leader died. Catholics - crusades was started with the similar statement of, 'God said this...'edit on 14-9-2013 by ChuckNasty because: 2 cents above
Even as a Christian I disagree about your view on morality. You do not need religion to know what is good or bad. We just know. It's common sense. We are all born with it. We learn when people hurt us that is is not nice so most of us will not hurt others.
I think it says.... "he who endureth til the end shall be saved". Quit dropping the ball dude, what other hope do you have? That some atheist will be able to explain away existence to you. Get real. Ya that sure will help a person sleep well at night having no hope at all. Even if you're a Christian life is going to be hard. It's designed to be hard, on everyone. That doesn't mean you give up your faith. It's on the one piece of information and insight that you have that actually is worth anything. Give that up and what do you got? Nothing. I think I've felt at times that God was either being too hard on me or wasn't listening at all, and maybe had forgotten about me. But I realized later that he maybe had to allow me to learn to tackle some problems on my own otherwise if he was always making life easy I'd never grow. But I think he's always there always watching and always listening to our prayers and our thoughts. But if you wanna go hang with the monkeys be my guest. lol ..Anyway that's my 2 centsedit on 14-9-2013 by spartacus699 because: (no reason given)
Why is slavery bad? What if their family owes me money. I should be allowed to force their children into servitude to repay my debt. There isn't even bad karma involved with that. Slavery is against a law, not human morality. If it wasn't against a law, we'd do it. We are limited by law and not a moral...
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I have always known right from wrong. I have not always acted in accordance with that knowledge, but I have known it.