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posted on Sep, 14 2013 @ 12:17 PM
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oh did i say Rebels tried to get Chemical weapons ??? Russia Today from the link, in short

Turkish prosecutors indict Syrian rebels for seeking chemical weapons
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Syrian couple mourning in front of bodies wrapped in shrouds ahead of funerals following what Syrian rebels claim to be a toxic gas attack by pro-government forces in eastern Ghouta, on the outskirts of Damascus on August 21, 2013.(AFP Photo / Shaam News Network )Syrian couple mourning in front of bodies wrapped in shrouds ahead of funerals following what Syrian rebels claim to be a toxic gas attack by pro-government forces in eastern Ghouta, on the outskirts of Damascus on August 21, 2013.(AFP Photo / Shaam News Network )
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A court indictment by the Turkish prosecutors into the alleged use of chemical weapons by the Syrian rebels has once again highlighted fears this week that sarin toxic gas was used by the opposition and not the Assad government.

The prosecutor in the Turkish city of Adana has issued a 132-page indictment, alleging that six men of the al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front and Ahrar ash-Sham tried to seek out chemicals with the intent to produce the nerve agent, sarin gas, a number of Turkish publications reported.

The main suspect in the case, 35-year-old Syrian-national Hytham Qassap has been charged with “being a member of a terrorist organization” and “attempting to acquire weapons for a terrorist organization.” The other 5, all Turkish nationals are being charged with “attempting to acquire weapons for a terrorist organization.”

The indictment alleges that Qassap tried to setup a network in Turkey in order to obtain chemical materials for the al-Nusra Front and Ahrar al-Sham Brigades. Citing telephone calls made by the cell, the prosecution believes that the group ordered at least ten tons of chemicals, Al-Alam News Network reports.

The prosecution also dismissed claims that the suspects were unaware of their wrong doing. “The claim that the suspects didn’t know about the possibility of producing sarin nerve gas from the chemicals they tried to buy is not true which was established when they were testifying,” the document reads.
oh well as if any one noticed




posted on Sep, 14 2013 @ 12:20 PM
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Yahoo web search got this :


Terrorists are trying to incite US attack on Syria, get ...
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The Syrian president said rebels in Syria have chemical weapons that they received from some foreign countries. "There are countries that supply chemical substances ...
Syrian Chemical Weapons Attack Carried Out by Rebels, Says UN ...
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The Syrian government has flatly denied responsibility for this latest alleged chemical weapons attack and ... Weapons Attack Carried Out by Rebels, Says UN ...
ynet - Syria accuses Turkey of supplying rebels with chemical ...
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Syria accuses Turkey of supplying rebels with chemical weapons. Syrian minister lashes out at West for supporting rebels; denies claims of chemical weapons use by ...
Syria accuses rebels of using chemical weapons; aid group ...
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The Syrian government accused rebels of using chemical weapons Saturday and warned the U.S. not to launch any military action against Damascus over an alleged ...
Syria says rebels may obtain chemical weapons from Turkey ...
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Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zoubi said that the chemical weapons used by rebels in a northern Syrian town were probably from Turkey, the state-run SANA news ...
U.S.: No evidence of chemical weapons use in Syria
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Try Another ... Assad's regime accused U.S.-backed Syrian rebels of using chemical weapons. ... batteries in southern Turkey along the border with Syria ...
Russia to U.N.: Chemical weapons 'clearly' used in Syria ...
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A team of Russian experts has found that chemical weapons were "clearly" used in Syria, Moscow's U.N. ambassador said Tuesday.
The Times of Israel - Syria: Chemical weapons used by rebels ...
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The chemical weapons used by rebels in the Aleppo countryside likely arrived from Turkey, Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zoubi charged on Saturday.
and on it goes



posted on Sep, 15 2013 @ 01:17 AM
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well there is still the chance of "use of troops" in Syria nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com... from the link

Syria deal provides respite for Obama but leaves questions on using force

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The United States and Russia have agreed on a proposal to eliminate Syria's chemical weapons arsenal, Kerry said on Saturday after nearly three days of talks with Lavrov.

By Tom Curry, National Affairs Writer, NBC News
The Syria accord announced Saturday gives President Barack Obama at least a temporary way out of a foreign policy mess that has dragged on for weeks.
For Obama's domestic agenda, the deal can be seen as a tactical victory because it provides a breather from a frustrating few weeks for the president and allows Obama and Congress to revert to trying to resolve their standoff over federal spending and raising the government's borrowing limit.
Whether his handling of the Syria crisis has made him stronger or weaker as he resumes bargaining with Republican leaders will be seen over the next two weeks.
But troubling questions remain about whether the framework accord announced by Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov Saturday in Geneva will really remove Syrian President Bashar Assad's chemical weapons arsenal.
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The text of the accord itself emphasizes that its goals for the removal and destruction of Syrian chemical weapons are "ambitious."
It gives the Assad regime just a week to provide a list of its chemical weapons and where they're stored and produced.
If the regime doesn't comply, then the agreement says "the UN Security Council should impose measures under Chapter VII of the UN Charter" which allows economic sanctions, blockade, and use of military force. But the accord doesn't say whether the Security Council will in fact impose such measures if Assad reneges or drags his feet.
Just what does Chapter VII UN Charter say www.un.org...



posted on Sep, 15 2013 @ 12:37 PM
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some good reading today on the Syria mess, first up McCain, ok it is a video on meet the press www.nbcnews.com... then Kerry says,... well... read it to believe it worldnews.nbcnews.com... from the link

Kerry says U.S.-Russia deal has 'full ability' to rid Syria of chemical weapons

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U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry (L) listens as Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu speaks to the media at the prime minister's office in Jerusalem September 15, 2013.

By Simon Moya-Smith, Staff Writer, NBC News
United States Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday a U.S.-Russia deal has the “full ability” strip Syria of its chemical weapons.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry talks about the potential for diplomacy in Syria regarding chemical weapons use.
Speaking to reporters in Jerusalem after briefing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the framework accord reached in Geneva on Saturday, Kerry said it “has the full ability ... to strip all of the chemical weapons from Syria.”
Kerry also said that the "threat of force is real" adding "we cannot have hollow words in the conduct of international affairs."
The U.S. and Russia struck a deal Saturday under which Syria will allow its stockpile of chemical weapons to be removed or destroyed by next year — easing a crisis over a threatened American military attack.

and lastly Obama nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com... from the link

Obama sees accord with Russia on Syria as possible opening to Iran deal
By Tom Curry, National Affairs Writer, NBC News
President Barack Obama on Sunday defended the agreement that his administration reached with Russia to remove the chemical weapons arsenal of Syrian President Bashar Assad. And he argued that the Syria agreement could point the way to a diplomatic solution to the problem of Iran’s nuclear weapons ambitions.
Rebuffing critics such as Sen. John McCain, R- Ariz., who say the Syria accord places too much power in the hands of Russian President Vladimir Putin, Obama said on ABC’s This Week that “as a consequence of the pressure that we've applied over the last couple of weeks,” Syria had for the first time admitted that it has chemical weapons and “the Russians, their primary sponsors, (are) saying that they will push Syria to get all of their chemical weapons out”
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He said, “The distance that we've traveled over these couple of weeks is remarkable.”

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President Barack Obama meets with Amir of Kuwait, Sheik Sabah Al Ahmed Al Sabah in the Oval Office September 13, 2013 in Washigton, DC.

Obama said the teamwork with Russia in the Syria crisis had opened the way for potential cooperation with the Iranian regime.
“If, in fact not only Russia gets involved” in negotiations about Syria “but if potentially Iran gets involved as well in recognizing that what's happening there is a train wreck that hurts not just Syrians but destabilizing the entire region...we can do something later” with the leaders in Tehran, he said.
well there is the words of the day , so far on Syria. i am sure there will be more to come



posted on Sep, 16 2013 @ 12:25 AM
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well we will know come to marrow if Syria used Chemicals or if the rebels did not we will know if any Chemicakls where used on Aug 21st of this year abcnews.go.com... from the link

A United Nations report due for release Monday is expected to confirm chemical weapons have been used in Syria's civil war, but may not finger a perpetrator.

Rebels and the regime of President Bashar Assad have each accused the other of orchestrating a chemical attack in town of Ghouta on Aug. 21, which the White House and Russian government both agree occurred.

The Obama administration estimates 1,429 were killed in the incident – including hundreds of children -- and has placed the blame squarely on Syrian government use of deadly Sarin gas.

But Moscow has bitterly disagreed, maintaining Assad's opposition may be at fault for use of the lethal toxin. It is an accusation Russia has made against the rebels during prior incidents of the war.

The Map of Alleged Chemical Attacks in Syria
The UN inspectors' primary task was simply to confirm the attack occurred and if so, identify the agent used -- assigning a perpetrator was not a main goal. However, the paper will reportedly suggest that only Assad's military has the capability to carry out such a wide-scale strike.

Regardless of whether the report identifies who is to blame, Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon said Friday it will be "an overwhelming report" and that the Assad government has "committed many crimes against humanity."

"Therefore, I'm sure that there will be surely the process of accountability when everything is over," he said.

The international body estimates more than 100,000 people have died in the war, with or without chemical weapon usage.

US and Russia Reach Deal on Syria Chemical Weapons
The report comes on the heels of a tentative agreement between the U.S. and Russia on how to rid Syria of its government stockpiles of chemical weapons reached this weekend. Under the plan, Syria would have only one week to declare its stashes.

Inspectors would arrive by November and the arms could be destroyed in the country or transferred abroad for destruction.

The ambitious deal was announced Saturday after late night meetings between Secretary of State John Kerry and his Russian counterpart, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

It is considered a diplomatic win by both the White House and the Kremlin.

The Obama administration avoids a potentially embarrassing showdown with Congress over authorization for a strike against the regime, while insisting that their threat of force was why Assad became willing to cede control of his chemical ordnance.

Meanwhile Russia, a key ally of Assad, avoids a U.S. attack that could theoretically tip the scales of the conflict against his government.

Key Players in Syrian Civil War
On Saturday, President Obama praised the Russian initiative but cautioned, "if diplomacy fails, the United States remains prepared to act."
well Putin what will you say this ? and you got to love the spine 2 lines of the head line the rest we already know



posted on Sep, 16 2013 @ 12:46 AM
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US lines up support for Syria Chemical plan www.bloomberg.com... from the link

U.S. Lines Up Allied Support for Chemical Weapons Plan
By David Lerman, Terry Atlas & Alaa Shahine - Sep 15, 2013 3:00 PM MT

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry will meet with French President Francois Hollande and his counterparts from France and the U.K. as he tries to build support for a plan to eliminate Syria’s chemical weapons.
Kerry may also meet with ministers from Turkey and Saudi Arabia, both backers of the rebel forces seeking to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. The Paris discussions come as the United Nations prepares to release, as early as today, an inspection team’s report on a chemical weapons attack that the U.S. says killed more than 1,400 people.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said the use of force remains an option if Syrian President Bashar al-Assad fails to comply with the plan. Photographer: Pete Marovich/Bloomberg
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Sept. 13 (Bloomberg) -- House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer talks with Bloomberg's Al Hunt about President Barack Obama's response to alleged chemical weapons use by Syria. Bloomberg View's Jeffrey Goldberg talks about U.S. foreign policy. Bloomberg's Julianna Goldman reports on the White House's handling of Syria and budget talks. Commentators Margaret Carlson and Ramesh Ponnuru discuss New York City's elections and U.S. gun control policy. (Source: Bloomberg)
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A girl walks next to the debris of her house, after it was hit by a missile, in the northwestern province of Idlib, Syria. Photographer: Daniel Leal-Olivas/AFP via Getty Images
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Soldiers in Syrian army tanks make their way to the Dabaa military airfield, north of the Syrian city of Qusayr. Source: AFP via Getty Images
Speaking after a meeting yesterday with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Jerusalem, Kerry said the use of force remains an option if Assad fails to comply with the plan. Kerry negotiated the accord with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
The agreement establishes a framework for finding, securing and destroying Assad’s stocks of poison gas. The deal calls for early signs of progress, giving Assad a week to submit an inventory of his toxic weapons, with initial inspections in Syria by November.
“We’ve been closely following and support your ongoing efforts to rid Syria of these chemical weapons,” Netanyahu told Kerry after the meeting. The U.S. top diplomat said the Obama administration was determined to hold Assad accountable. “The threat of force is real,” Kerry said. “We cannot have hollow words in the conduct of foreign affairs.”
‘Big Question’

The agreement between the U.S. and Russia, a longtime ally of Syria, calls for a UN Security Council resolution compelling Assad’s regime to adhere to its terms. Russia previously has used its veto in the Security Council to block UN condemnations of Assad during Syria’s 2 1/2-year civil war.
“The big question is, can it now be implemented?” Steven Pifer, director of the Arms Control Initiative at the Brookings Institution in Washington, said in an e-mail. “The early deadline for Syria to fully declare its chemical weapons stocks provides an early test of Syrian intent.”
Assad has denied responsibility for the Aug. 21 gas attack outside Damascus. The UN team isn’t allowed under its mandate to assign responsibility for the attack.

Nuclear Weapons
Netanyahu, speaking before his meeting with Kerry, said the success of the agreement will be gauged by tangible results, a principle “that also applies to the international community’s diplomatic efforts to stop the nuclear arming of Iran.”
President Barack Obama, in an ABC News interview that aired yesterday, said Syrian plan doesn’t mean the U.S. wouldn’t take military action against Iran.
“I think what the Iranians understand is that the nuclear issue is a far larger issue for us than the chemical weapons issue,” he said. Iran, an ally of Assad, says its nuclear program is designed for peaceful purposes.
Obama has twice delayed possible U.S. military action in response to the Aug. 21 attack, most recently on Sept. 10, when the president said the U.S. would explore an offer from Russia for negotiations on removing Assad’s toxic armaments.
“If in fact this deal goes through, the biggest winner is common sense, because the Obama administration had no good option for dealing with chemical weapons,” Aaron David Miller, a vice president at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington, said in a telephone interview.

Edward Snowden
The U.S. and Russia had been at odds about Syria and over Russia’s harboring of former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, accused of exposing U.S. surveillance secrets.
Syria’s state-run SANA news agency quoted Prime Minister Wael al-Halaqi as saying his country welcomes “credible international initiatives,” without elaboration.
Syrian rebel leaders said they wouldn’t interfere with inspections, even as they criticized the accord. Questions about whether Assad will go along with the removal of chemical weapons, which the regime hadn’t acknowledged having until last week, have also led to some criticism from U.S. lawmakers.
Without a UN Security Council resolution authorizing force unless Assad complies, “this framework agreement is meaningless,” Republican Senators John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said in a joint statement. “Assad will use the months and months afforded him to delay and deceive the world.”

Slaughtering Civilians
Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat who leads the Armed Services Committee, said in a statement that an enforceable agreement to rid Syria of toxic arms “would be an even better outcome” than the goals of a threatened U.S. military strike by “not just deterring and degrading Assad’s chemical weapons capability, but eliminating it altogether.”
Kerry said that thorough inspections and verification of disarmament moves are feasible because Assad controls all the chemical weapons sites and can provide access to inspectors if he chooses.
The U.S. estimates that Syria has at least 45 weapons-related sites, about half of which contain significant quantities of chemical agents, according to a U.S. official who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive negotiations.

Peace Talks
Kerry and Lavrov said they hoped to use the deal to revive stalled peace talks to end the fighting that’s killed more than 100,000 people. The two will meet this month with the UN’s Syria envoy, Lakhdar Brahimi, to set a date for a peace conference in Geneva.
While Assad has agreed to take part, the Syrian opposition has insisted he step down as a condition for negotiations.

Stocks rallied and oil fell last week as the talks eased concern of a U.S. military strike. The Dow Jones Industrial Average (INDU) climbed 3 percent, the most since January. West Texas Intermediate crude dropped 2.2 percent, the most since July.
not the full story but enough to get the idea
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posted on Sep, 16 2013 @ 01:08 AM
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One more reason not to go into Syria, Iran is there www.bbc.co.uk... from the link

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Footage has surfaced on the internet that gives the first tangible indication of Iran's involvement in the fighting in Syria on the side of the government forces, reports BBC Persian's Kasra Naji.

Information that can be gleaned from the footage indicates that the Iranian fighters are part of the Revolutionary Guard - most probably part of the extraterritorial wing of the Revolutionary Guard, the Quds Force. It also suggest that Tehran is training Syrian fighters back in Iran.

The footage was uploaded by a group of Syrian opposition fighters who say they have captured the tapes after overrunning a government forces' base.

They say the tapes belonged to an Iranian cameraman who was killed in the fighting. There are apparently several hours of the footage, some of which has been posted on the internet.

The tapes show at least five Iranians wearing military fatigues among a larger group of pro-government Syrian fighters.

According to the conversations heard in the footage between the Iranians, they are somewhere to the south of the northern Syrian city of Aleppo.
WSJ has the same story stream.wsj.com... from the link

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Shiite Militiamen from Across the Arab World Train at a Base Near Tehran to Do Battle in Syria

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Iranian forces are training Shiite militiamen from across the Arab world to do battle in Syria—showing the widening role of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard Corps in Syria's bloody war.

By Farnaz Fassihi, Jay Solomon and Sam Dagher

The coffin of a pro-Assad regime fighter, reportedly killed in rebel clashes, is draped with an Iraqi flag during a funeral south of Baghdad on Sunday. Alaa Al-Marjani/Reuters
At a base near Tehran, Iranian forces are training Shiite militiamen from across the Arab world to do battle in Syria—showing the widening role of Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guard Corps in Syria’s bloody war.

The busloads of Shiite militiamen from Iraq, Syria and other Arab states have been arriving at the Iranian base in recent weeks, under cover of darkness, for instruction in urban warfare and the teachings of Iran’s clerics, according to Iranian military figures and residents in the area. The fighters’ mission: Fortify the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad against Sunni rebels, the U.S. and Israel.

Iran’s widening role in Syria has helped Mr. Assad climb back from near-defeat in less than a year. The role of Iran’s training camp for Shiite fighters hasn’t previously been disclosed.
seems the mess is getting top be a bigger one



posted on Sep, 16 2013 @ 12:12 PM
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And is as no surprise UN confirms the use of Chemical weapons worldnews.nbcnews.com... from the link

U.N. report confirms chemical weapons use in Syria
By Carrie Dann, Political Reporter, NBC News
A United Nations report released Monday confirmed that rockets loaded with sarin gas were used in an August 21 attack in Syria, although inspectors stopped short of saying who was responsible for the attack.
“Chemical weapons have been used in the ongoing conflict between the parties in the Syrian Arab Republic, also against civilians, including children, on a relatively large scale,” inspectors concluded in a 38-page report, which included analysis of chemical, environmental and medical samples.
Those samples provided “clear and convincing” evidence that rockets containing sarin were deployed in the area, the report said.
The inspectors spoke to more than 50 witnesses of the attack in a Damascus suburb, including survivors and first responders.
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“The United Nations Mission has now confirmed, unequivocally and objectively, that chemical weapons have been used in Syria,” said UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon said in a Security Council briefing, according to a transcript of his remarks.
"This is a war crime," he added.
While few have disputed that chemical weapons were used in the attack, the regime of Syria’s President Bashar Assad and opposition fighting against it have blamed each other for the use of the deadly gas.
But the United States has pointed blame squarely at the Assad regime, estimating that the attack killed over 1,400 people – including hundreds of children.
“In the days leading up to August 21st, we know that Assad's chemical weapons personnel prepared for an attack near an area where they mix sarin gas,” President Barack Obama said in an address to the nation on September 10. They distributed gasmasks to their troops. Then they fired rockets from a regime-controlled area into 11 neighborhoods that the regime has been trying to wipe clear of opposition forces.”
Secretary of State John Kerry announced on September 1 that hair and blood samples collected from the site by first responders tested positive for signatures of sarin gas, a man-made chemical warfare agent that interferes with nerve signals to the muscles.

Secretary of State John Kerry tells David Gregory on Meet the Press that all signs suggest that Syrian leader Bashar Assad used the nerve agent in his alleged chemical weapons attack.
“Bashar Assad now joins the list of Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein [who] have used these weapons in time of war," he said on NBC’s Meet the Press.
But Assad and his allies say that rebels are responsible.
to be continued



posted on Sep, 16 2013 @ 12:15 PM
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continued, from the link

President Vladmir Putin of Russia alleged in a New York Times op-ed published last week that rebel forces were responsible for the use of the chemical weapons.
“No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria,” he wrote. “But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists.
The report comes as Kerry tries to rally international support for the U.S.-Russian pact announced Saturday which would allow Syria’s stockpile of chemical weapons be removed or destroyed by next year.
This story was originally published on Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:30 PM EDT
I do not know if any one is reading this , by the lack of starts I think not , but this is to important to not to read , it is the first time we can read on how the war in Syria is becoming a world war.



posted on Sep, 17 2013 @ 12:28 AM
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well Obama circumvents the powers of office once again by giving NBC Protection to the Rebels nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com... from the link

Obama authorizes chemical weapons aid to Syria
By Ali Weinberg, NBC News
President Barack Obama has authorized the United States government to provide chemical weapons-related assistance to groups in Syria, including training for chemical weapons attacks and protective equipment for "select vetted members" of Syrian opposition forces.

In an order issued today, the White House said the president is waiving provisions of the Arms Control Export Act (ACEA) that restrict the U.S. from providing munitions, credits and licenses to countries supporting acts of terrorism.
According to the ACEA, those prohibitions can be waived "if the president determines that the transaction is essential to the national security interests of the United States."

The U.S. has previously provided the opposition with other types of non-lethal aid, like vehicles, body armor and night-vision goggles. But the announcement of assistance related specifically to chemical weapons attacks comes after a United Nations report Monday confirmed that sarin gas was used in an August 21 attack outside of Damascus.

The plan to provide the opposition and others on the ground with chemical weapons protection had been in the works since before the August 21st attack, a senior administration official said.
Because of the rules surrounding such a move, there will still be at least a two-week delay before any of the materials would actually make it into Syria.
Before the materials can be transferred, the House and Senate foreign affairs committees must be consulted and a formal report must be transmitted to the Speaker of the House and the head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee at least 15 days in advance.

In addition to opposition forces, this authorization would also provide non-lethal assistance to the people who will be on the ground working to detect and destroy chemical weapons caches, as well as State Department and USAID officials.
Carrie Dann contributed reporting
now we shall see if Chemical are used again, if so it might not be Assad using them but the rebels. or will the House and Senate foreign affairs committees say oh no you don't. what is your view on this if any one is reading this thread or post.



posted on Sep, 17 2013 @ 01:29 AM
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here is a link to the UN Syria report www.un.org... from the link

‘Clear and convincing’ evidence of chemical weapons use in Syria, UN team reports

A United Nations team probing the possible use of chemical weapons in Syria has found “clear and convincing evidence” that Sarin gas was used in an incident that occurred on 21 August in the Ghouta area on the outskirts of Damascus in which hundreds of people were reportedly killed.
go to the link to read the report



posted on Sep, 17 2013 @ 01:52 AM
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This could be a 9/11 event , Iran could do it or others as well ie DPRK, they are the two that come to mind , that could pull it off if there was an attack on the power grid only time will tell.



posted on Sep, 17 2013 @ 01:44 PM
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here are some news update links news.yahoo.com... from the link

Russia against use of force in Syria resolution
well that is no wonder that they are


news.yahoo.com... from the link

Syria says Western powers are forestalling peace talks
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Supporters of Syria's President Bashar al-Assad wave a Syrian national flag depicting Assad's portrait during a rally in Damascus.
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BEIRUT (Reuters) - Syria accused Western powers on Tuesday of trying to wreck prospects for a negotiated settlement to the country's 2-1/2-year conflict by imposing preconditions on the peace process and supporting rebel fighters.

The comments, highlighting the precariousness of any international mediation between Syria's two warring parties, followed a meeting of foreign ministers from the United States, France and Britain a day earlier. They warned there would be consequences if President Bashar al-Assad did not hand over Syria's chemical weapons.

A U.S.-Russian deal to remove the weapons averted the immediate prospect of a U.S. military strike against Syria, but U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry insisted it offered Assad "no lifeline" and that he had "lost all legitimacy".
Kerry and war hogs lLc want no peace there WW3 yes peace no


news.yahoo.com... from the link

Syria chemical weapons plan to begin 'in days': monitoring body
US Secretary of State John Kerry (L) with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov (R) in Geneva on September 14, 2013.
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A US and Russian-inked programme to destroy Syria's chemical weapons should begin "in a matter of days," the watchdog tasked with implementing the plan said Monday.

The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) said that its experts "are already at work preparing a roadmap that anticipates the various challenges involved in verifying Syria's declared stockpiles."

"It is envisaged... that the programme to eliminate chemical weapons in Syria will be initiated in a matter of days," the Hague-based OPCW said.

The plan was thrashed out by Russia and the United States in Geneva at the weekend to avert US-led military strikes on Syria, which is accused by Washington of having killed hundreds of people in a gas attack near Damascus on August 21.

President Bashar al-Assad's regime is to provide "on an expeditious basis" a complete inventory of its chemical weapons, production facilities, and "related materials" to the OPCW.

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Watchdog experts "will verify the accuracy of this disclosure with on-site inspections, and will also assist in putting into place arrangements to keep the warfare materials and the relevant facilities secure until their destruction."

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon on Monday called the use of chemical weapons in Syria a war crime after UN investigators published their report saying they had indisputable evidence of their use in the August attack.
well you know this is going to need boots on the ground after all



posted on Sep, 17 2013 @ 04:07 PM
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I don't think Syria is the path to World War Three. Destroying the terrorists in Syria however will keep the world from the path of World War III.

What I have come to understand about the terrorists is that they will ask for assistance and then when you least expect it knife you in the back.

I'm certain that there are genuine Middle Easterners who want the terrorists gone as well but live in fear because they speak out the terrorists will simply show up at their doors and kill them and their entire family.

The same terrorists that Russia and Putin are so vehemently supporting Syria will end up doing the same thing that the Taliban to did to the U.S.



posted on Sep, 17 2013 @ 11:55 PM
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you mean the US is supplying ,for they are for the most part terrorist www.thedailybeast.com... from the link

Al Qaeda Clash With Free Syrian Army a New Stage of Opposition Split
by Eli Lake Sep 17, 2013 5:45 AM EDT
While the U.S. and Russia pursue a diplomatic route in Syria, a battle between the country’s moderate and extremist rebels erupted in eastern Syria. Eli Lake talks with a commander of the pro-Western opposition about a new front in the civil war.

The same day the United States and Russia announced a plan to disarm Bashar al-Assad of his chemical weapons, a fresh round of fighting erupted along the Syria-Iraq border. This time, it was rebel versus rebel—specifically, al Qaeda–linked rebels against the more moderate elements of the opposition.

and, the cat is out of the bag now, guess how has Chemical weapons now
Russia Today from the link

'Al-Qaeda and Al-Nusra in Syria may have significant amounts of sarin'
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The US military have reportedly proved that sarin gas production is going on among some Sunni salafists in Iraq, and via Turkey, can reach Syrian rebels, former Pentagon official Michael Maloof told RT, citing classified sources.

RT: France, the US and UK are saying the UN report clearly points to the Assad government's involvement in the August attack . But how can they be so sure, especially as the document states that improvised rockets may have been used, possibly pointing to rebel involvement?

Michael Maloof: I have a report from a source who has direct connections with classified information and he basically told me that [the] US military did an assessment based upon 50 indicators and clandestine interviews that the sourcing of sarin originated out of Iraq and into Turkey before some of it was confiscated in May in Turkey. He believes that since that report was disseminated in August in 2013, that there has actually been a more significant amount of sarin production both in Iraq and in Turkey going to the opposition, principally Al-Qaeda and Al-Nusra.
not to forget this one www.policymic.com... from the link as if this is a surprise

Al-Qaeda in Syria is a Serious Threat — What Can the U.S. Do?
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Al-Qaeda in Syria is a Serious Threat — What Can the U.S. Do?

As talks progress with Russia about the diplomatic solution that could rid the Assad regime of its chemical weapons, debates on various forms of possible U.S. intervention in Syria continue. While the conversation seems to be largely focused on the issue of chemical weapons at the moment, an integral part of the conflict that directly concerns U.S. national security interests cannot and should not be disregarded: Al-Qaeda and the rise of radical Islam in the Syrian battleground.

Many opponents and promoters of diplomatic or military intervention have been righteously directing their attentions on the rebels — who they are and what they want to make of Syria. Experts have pointed out the radical Islamist actors in the Syrian opposition, especially those affiliated with Al-Qaeda and its so-called Syrian wing, Jabat al Nusra. Fear is on the rise, especially for many Americans, as the reality sets in that many of the opposition forces have not-so-virtuous intentions for the future of Syria after all. Although the truth is that the rebel forces lie on a wide spectrum of ideology and intention, leaving the opposition as a whole as utterly complex and impossible to simplify, these fears come with good reason.

Indeed, Jabat al Nusra’s presence has been growing in Syria as the group advances in arms capability and continuously attracts supporters from outside the country. With the appealing struggle of the opposition, Syria has essentially become a hub for international terrorists and jihadists, coming from all over the region to unite for a “noble” cause. This already seems to be happening. "Syria is drawing thousands of radical jihadist activists from the area and the world, who are basing themselves in the country, not only to topple al-Assad, but also to promote the vision of a religious state,” said Gen. Aviv Kochavi of Israel.
seems to me dam if we do dam if we don't, this is one mess we do not need to be in

back in a few to edit, i am back to edit
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posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 12:39 AM
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if you need a road map to whom is whom in Syria and why to big deal here is a link that try to tell it from the Iran point of view, no need to leave them out of it www.presstv.ir... in part, from the link

Al-Qaeda’s partnership with US now ‘official’
Former al-Qaeda ringleader Osama bin Laden

Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:22AM GMT


By Gordon Duff
Al-Qaeda was established under the authority of President Reagan on March 27, 1985, with National Security Directive 166. This established a broad cover organization that could engage in arms and financial transactions otherwise prohibited by US law.

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High-level sources inside America’s intelligence community are totally flabbergasted by recent administration policies, particularly regarding Syria. The consensus is that the Obama administration is operating “totally blind” and doesn’t care.


Top policy advisors opposed to the new Russian-Iranian alliance, on advice from Israel, are shifting America’s position in Syria’s now “three-sided” foreign-backed insurgency.
and as a history lesson, from the link

Al-Qaeda was established under the authority of President Reagan on March 27, 1985, with National Security Directive 166. This established a broad cover organization that could engage in arms and financial transactions otherwise prohibited by US law.
it seems to me we have no problem creating our own worst enemy's www.fas.org...



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 01:04 PM
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I think everyone is getting tired of the Syria , DPRK threads for the lack of reply's but this will not keep me form posting news or links to related events to big not to, news.yahoo.com... from the link

Syria confident UN won't adopt Chapter VII resolution
Syrian deputy foreign minister Faisal Muqdad answers questions during an interview in Damascus, on September 4, 2013.
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Syrian deputy foreign minister Faisal Muqdad answers questions during an interview with AFP in Damascus, on September 4, 2013. Syria is confident the United Nations will not adopt a resolution on its chemical weapons under Chapter VII, which could allow the use of force, Muqdad tells AFP. (AFP Photo/Louai Beshara)
AFP 2 hours ago

Syria is confident the United Nations will not adopt a resolution on its chemical weapons under Chapter VII, which could allow the use of force, its deputy foreign minister said Wednesday.

"I think this is a big lie used by the Western powers; we believe it will never be used," Faisal Muqdad told AFP.

"There is no justification for that, and the Russian-American agreement does not have such a thing," he added, referring to the deal under which Syria has agreed to turn over its chemical weapons.

The comments come as envoys from the five permanent UN Security Council members struggle to draft a resolution on destroying Syria's chemical weapons.

France, Britain and the United States want compulsory measures under Chapter VII of the UN Charter if Syria does not uphold the disarmament plan.

But Russia, a key ally of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, is firmly opposed to anything that could pave the way for the use of force.

Syria agreed to turn over its weapons under an international deal thrashed out after the United States threatened military action against Damascus.

The threat followed an August 21 chemical weapons attack on the outskirts of Damascus that reportedly killed hundreds of people.

The Syrian opposition and much of the international community blamed the attack on the regime, which in turn said that rebels were responsible.

The attack has been confirmed by UN weapons inspectors, who said in a report presented this week that the poison sarin was used, without attributing responsibility for the attack.

Muqdad said the report contained "nothing new" and that the regime had consistently said opposition forces were using sarin.

"If the report's main object is to say whether sarin gas was used or not, it has nothing new for us, because from the beginning we said sarin gas was used," he told AFP.

"We gave concrete reports, authenticated by our medical persons and our experts on chemicals.

"I can confirm once again that Syria did not, will not use chemical weapons against its people," he added.

He said Syria had decided to give up its chemical weapons to ward off allegations from the West that it was using the arms against its people.

"Now we tell them, take these weapons and do whatever you like to do with them. We don't want them anymore," he said.

"This is a sincere action by the Syrian government to stop such accusations."

Muqdad had harsh words for nations that have backed the uprising against the regime, including France, which he said had "betrayed not only Syria, but... their own people and their own principles."

"The French leadership is supporting the Al-Nusra Front, they are supporting Al-Qaeda, and all the terrorists that are coming to destroy Syria," he said.

The rebels fighting against Assad's regime include Al-Qaeda-affiliated Al-Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

The regime refers to all those fighting against it as "terrorists."
well there is the US to step in
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posted on Sep, 19 2013 @ 12:50 AM
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Assad says he needs a year to get rid if the Chemical weapons, www.bbc.co.uk... from the link, in part

Assad: Syria needs one year to destroy chemical weapons

President Assad says he will "get rid" of Syria's chemical weapons - Clips courtesy Fox News
Continue reading the main story
Syria conflict

Back from brink, war grinds on
UN report explained
Surprise success?
Daunting task
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has said he is committed to a plan to destroy his country's chemical weapons but warned it could take about a year.

Speaking to Fox News, Mr Assad again denied claims that his forces were responsible for a deadly chemical attack near Damascus on 21 August.

The Syria disarmament plan was unveiled by the US and Russia last weekend.

The West wants the deal enshrined in a UN resolution backed by the threat of military force, but Russia objects.

Damascus - backed by Moscow - has insisted that rebel forces carried out last month's attack in the Ghouta area.

In a separate development, fierce fighting has been reported between two rebel groups in the north of Syria.

Activists said the fighting began when jihadists from the al-Qaeda-linked group, the Islamic State of Iraq, and fighters from the Western-backed Free Syrian Army (FSA) clashed in the town of Azaz, near the Turkish border.

This is believed to be one of the biggest confrontations so far between the jihadists and the FSA.

'Listen to your people'
Referring to the issue of destroying Syria's stockpiles of chemical weapons, Mr Assad said it was "a very complicated operation, technically".

"And it needs a lot of money, some estimates (say) about a billion.

Continue reading the main story
Syria's chemical weapons

CIA believes Syria's arsenal can be "delivered by aircraft, ballistic missile, and artillery rockets"
Syria believed to possess mustard gas, sarin, and tried to develop VX gas
Syria has agreed to join Chemical Weapons Convention; it signed Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention in 1972 but never ratified
Sources: CSIS, RUSI

UN findings analysed
Western military options
Chemical weapons allegations
"So it depends, you have to ask the experts what they mean by quickly. It has a certain schedule. It needs a year, or maybe a little bit more."

And when asked whether he would be willing to hand over chemical weapons to the US, President Assad said: "It needs about one billion. It is very detrimental to the environment. If the American administration is ready to pay this money and take the responsibility of bringing toxic materials to the United States, why don't they do it?"
that is a good question I got the answer Mr. Assad you made it you can get rid of it why should the US, or it was sold to you by Russia let them have it back. as if any one is reading this, oh well i can look back and say i posted it
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posted on Sep, 19 2013 @ 11:10 AM
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This is too good of a blast from the mess to pass up, it is a post er viwe of mine, seems something are becoming fact so here it is www.abovetopsecret.com... with the mess in DC over the Debt ceiling, i would not put it past the Kerry and Co to make this a hot war to get the funds needed . and now for a news update from CNN, Assad will welcome back the UN www.cnn.com... from the link

Syria's al-Assad says he welcomes return of U.N. inspectors
By Tom Watkins and Holly Yan, CNN
updated 9:14 AM EDT, Thu September 19, 2013
Watch this video
Al-Assad: We didn't agree because of threat
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
NEW: Bashar al-Assad: "Syria never obeyed any threat" from the United States
U.N. inspectors will follow up on more allegations of chemical weapons use in Syria
Russia slams a U.N. report on chemical weapons use, calling it "distorted"
Jane's editor in chief sees no "compelling evidence" indicating who used sarin

(CNN) -- Syria's president says he'll welcome the return of U.N. investigators to follow up on more allegations of chemical weapons use in his country.
"We've been asking them to come back to Syria to continue their investigations," President Bashar al-Assad told Fox News in an interview broadcast Wednesday.
Al-Assad said he hadn't had time yet to analyze the U.N. investigators' findings so far, but stressed they have more work to do.
"They haven't finished it yet," he said, adding that it's clear that rebels were behind chemical weapons attacks, not his government.
Ake Sellstrom, the head of the inspection team that visited after an August 21 attack outside Damascus, told CNN that the next visit could take place as early as next week.
In the meantime, Al-Assad vowed that his government would comply with the deal to hand over and destroy its chemical weapons, but noted that the timeframe is uncertain and the costs will be great -- up to $1 billion by some estimates.
the cost has got me thinking , will it be to expensive for Assad or Russia and we will be the ones to go and get them ? thus our BOOTS on the ground in Syria? just a thought.
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posted on Sep, 20 2013 @ 12:49 PM
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Syria makes first step in Chemical weapon deal with Russia worldnews.nbcnews.com... from the link

Syria declares its chemical weapons arsenal, first step in US-Russian deal

Charles Dharapak / AP
Secretary of State John Kerry speaks to reporters Friday at the State Department.

By Erin McClam, Staff Writer, NBC News
Syria on Friday submitted to the world a declaration of its chemical weapons stockpile, apparently fulfilling the first requirement of a U.S.-Russian deal that staved off an American military attack.
Syria sent the details to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, which comprises the 189 countries that have signed an agreement outlawing chemical warfare. The organization said through a spokesman that it had received the declaration, but it did not provide details.
Secretary of State John Kerry, at an appearance with the Dutch foreign minister, said that he had spoken with his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, about the Syrian declaration.
Kerry said that he and Lavrov had also discussed “a resolution that is firm and strong within the United Nations. We will continue to work on that.”
we will see how this plays out





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