Syrian Army Has Executed Defectors to FSA

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posted on Sep, 13 2013 @ 10:02 AM
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Before we get to wound up over Syrian rebels conducting executions, Syrian troops have done this and probably more times than is known.



Syrian forces reportedly executed 47 Syrian soldiers who tried to defect in the city of Idlib


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It is also clear with a little research that Syria has used gas on several occasions before the recent large scale use that is reported to have killed nearly 2000 persons. This fact is not unknown but the extent is not widely reported with only one other case, probably a test bed for public response, being generally known.

Some complain about recent rebel handlings of captured loyalists troops but don't consider Syrian actions as undermining any moral or traditional high ground here. Not only have they used gas, shelled residential areas and executed rebels, they have also employed outside military and paramilitary forces to aid them against the FSA.

It has also been claimed by the FSA that chemical weapons have been given to Hezbollah and have been used by Hezbollah. Some are voicing concern that weapons given to the FSA by western powers may end up being used against Israel. No concern seems to be show for the claims that Hezbollah now has chemical weapons although they have a history of attacking Israel with advanced rockets in the past. In fact Israel has had to invade Lebanon several years ago to clean out Syrian and Iranian backed Hezbollah fighters. The idea that Hezbollah now has chemical weapons should be of much greater concern than what FSA will do with basic weapons.
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posted on Sep, 13 2013 @ 10:11 AM
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So how did they execute them if they defected? Just askin'.



posted on Sep, 13 2013 @ 10:13 AM
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The story linked says there was an attempted defection.



posted on Sep, 13 2013 @ 10:22 AM
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It`s not unusual to execute deserters in time of war.during the american civil war 147 union soldiers were executed for desertion.



posted on Sep, 13 2013 @ 10:25 AM
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Tardacus
It`s not unusual to execute deserters in time of war.during the american civil war 147 union soldiers were executed for desertion.
That doesn't answer the question. Where these deserters caught after the fact or were they infiltrating the SA in a covert way?



posted on Sep, 13 2013 @ 11:15 AM
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Yes and a good number of american colonist, now called patriots, were executed or left to rot on prison ships. Many died there.

Its clear that established and recognized states and powers hold themselves as the only legal executioners during a conflict. The executions of the winning state are declared as justified but the losers were killers for doing the same. Its just a bunch of bull-ony really. Its part of a war whatever side one is on. That's all it is. A tool to maintain power or show contempt for power.

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posted on Sep, 13 2013 @ 11:42 AM
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Tardacus
It`s not unusual to execute deserters in time of war.during the american civil war 147 union soldiers were executed for desertion.



The north never had 20,000 members of the sanding army go over to the south. Besides you are talking about deserters not defectors. At the outset of the Civil war you could go and muster with whatever you wanted north or south. Many families had people on both sides of that war.



posted on Sep, 13 2013 @ 12:15 PM
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Hmmm... I started to reply on the merits of the issue when, looking at the article closer, the story itself hit me in a few ways. First...It's the FSA, not SFA. The reporter gets that off more than once. Their own website (The FSA have a few) even agrees, as does every major news org. I actually did pause a moment to google that, just in case I'd really been using one of multiple spellings and just not aware of it. Like Gadaffi is the man of a dozen spellings, it seems.

Also, they state as fact that the 'SFA' is made up of 20,000 Syrian Army Defectors, which is simply not true. The Government itself doesn't even attempt to claim that as they have to play down and make excuses for The Al Nusra Front and other very radical elements in seemingly full control of some areas. I honestly don't think the Syrian army regular (defector) side of the FSA are hacking people's heads off like they're chopping down a tree or something. ...but the Jihadi rebels are barbaric and they are not a small % at this stage.

The story notes widespread abuse and torture in Homs? Really? There are other Journalists there among the Rebels. Why wouldn't the world be seeing evidence? Odd.... It's almost like a segment of the FSA's media wing wrote it...except they'd get their abbreviation correct of course. err...?



posted on Sep, 13 2013 @ 01:47 PM
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Tardacus
It`s not unusual to execute deserters in time of war.during the american civil war 147 union soldiers were executed for desertion.


you are correct, but you failed to mention that the last U.S. serviceman to be executed for desertion was Eddie Slovik in 1945.
as far as i know there have been no U.S. serviceman/ woman executed for aiding the enemy or as a traitor.
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posted on Sep, 13 2013 @ 03:41 PM
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Logarock
Before we get to wound up over Syrian rebels conducting executions, Syrian troops have done this and probably more times than is known.



Syrian forces reportedly executed 47 Syrian soldiers who tried to defect in the city of Idlib


Link


It is also clear with a little research that Syria has used gas on several occasions before the recent large scale use that is reported to have killed nearly 2000 persons. This fact is not unknown but the extent is not widely reported with only one other case, probably a test bed for public response, being generally known.

Some complain about recent rebel handlings of captured loyalists troops but don't consider Syrian actions as undermining any moral or traditional high ground here. Not only have they used gas, shelled residential areas and executed rebels, they have also employed outside military and paramilitary forces to aid them against the FSA.

It has also been claimed by the FSA that chemical weapons have been given to Hezbollah and have been used by Hezbollah. Some are voicing concern that weapons given to the FSA by western powers may end up being used against Israel. No concern seems to be show for the claims that Hezbollah now has chemical weapons although they have a history of attacking Israel with advanced rockets in the past. In fact Israel has had to invade Lebanon several years ago to clean out Syrian and Iranian backed Hezbollah fighters. The idea that Hezbollah now has chemical weapons should be of much greater concern than what FSA will do with basic weapons.
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You do realize that the source is an Israeli website, don't you? Israel is behind much of what is going on here. How many times have they attacked Syria? These attacks were aimed at stockpiles of air defense and antiship missiles so that the US could attack easier. Israel lies. Hezbollah doesn't have chemical weapons. Assad hasn't given them any. Israel hasn't bombed anything that was going to Hezbollah. Everything in that story is a lie. Although there is nothing wrong with executing defectors from a country's army, I don't believe that this has happened. This is a pure Israeli propaganda piece.



posted on Sep, 13 2013 @ 07:39 PM
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It could be a propaganda piece. Considering that Assad has actually had anti régime reporters of note blown up hes not to be listened to. I bet the Syrian press machine is far more a state organ than what comes out of Israel. Assad has even had a Lebanese president, maybe two, assassinated for standing up to him. So for me its all trash coming out of Syria.

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posted on Sep, 13 2013 @ 07:43 PM
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Now wrabbit...Syrian Free Army.....Free Syrian Army? That cant be a big deal for you.



posted on Sep, 13 2013 @ 08:16 PM
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Sir,

Its a freaking civil war fueled by centuries of shia and sunni mutual hate.

I dont see the use in vilifying either side. Its like going through our own civil war and trying to make the north or the south seem like the less scum bagish side.

Brother kills brother. That will never be pretty or fall into our neat little package of "acceptable" ways of war.

Rocks, knives, bullets, gas, what ever kills the other side is valid to them now. That line was crossed the day the first Syrian was killed by another.

The problem with the rebels is that they are heavily infiltrated by Alqueda. You know the people killing our people everywhere they can...

That is like if Mexico was sending arms and soldiers to the south during our civil war to defeat the north.
Obviously they would need to stay the hell out of a violent and internal conflict not their own.

Also, most people really dont care anymore. We need to be freed, screw everyone else. What the hell are we doing supposedly "freeing" people everywhere while living at home in an apathetic state of defeat when it comes to our own country we KNOW is not our own anymore.

Screw the rebels and screw Assad. WE need to get our own house in order.

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posted on Sep, 14 2013 @ 07:01 AM
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Thanks for the lecture. You did forget about the part, american civil war, where the English were selling arms to the South, while English interests owned a large portion of the iron works in the north. At a distance it looks like someone making sure the war effort went on, by investing in the low end weapons to the south, and then really cashing in on the high end northern iron industry.

Not that I am trying to draw a parallel with the Syrian situation mind you. Looks like low end/low end in those regards.





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