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reply to post by abeverage
Yes that's interesting locks date back to Nineveh and the Neo-Babylonian period, from which that Ishtar text would date, so perhaps if the seven Demons that guarded the seven gates into the Underworld upgraded to the new technology perhaps Ishtar figured their security system was now vunerable...
The painting there adapted from the Windflowers is Boreas, the chill North wind, cool blue and grey and bringer of snow, at least around these parts, but i like the way were having had your Ghostbuster analogy rejected you respond with the Muppets.
reply to post by Wandering Scribe
Yes you did need to be on the inside to unbar the doors, in the case of Ninshubur she is within the world and the gate she oversees is that which opens at the Mountain of the horizon were the seven further gates leading down into the Underworld would be found, and the seven that lead into the Heavens, which is why as she had to be in invoked in the Necronomicon as Queen of the East, it's just a gate that leads to the gates.
Wouldn't the turtle that navigates the seven seas have the Divine Plan upon it's shell...?
Locking Devices have been known since antiquity. Just because Sumerian is not my forte doesn't mean I do not know how to read, it also doesn't mean I am not learning...
Geez she sounds just so pissed! smashing and using force! Makes you wonder if it was for a lacksidasical husband or something else?
Something tells me however that Ereshkigal the goddess of all Irkalla, might have some pretty powerful locks on the doors that allow access to the Underworld.
I have found her similarities to Hel most interesting considering they are two of the most prominent Female propritars of the Underworld beside Hades and The Devil.
You so easily dismiss modern entertainment yet here we sit discussing a fictional book based on another Fictional book based within the fictional universe created by an Author for sci-fi pulp magazines, Many of which I read before I was twelve!
Oh and when you call Winds wear deep blue Zephyr dress and a lavender silk scarf it will allow you see, but keep the dust out
If my tone sounds harsh in this reply please do not take it as such.
reply to post by abeverage
Nineveh is an Assyrian city. The earliest known lock comes from the Assyrian empire. The Assyrians were not the Sumerians. The Assyrians were the ethnic offspring of the Semitic Akkadians. But thanks for the link. As I suspected, the Sumerians did not have mechanical lock-and-key devices.
Ereshkigal had door-bars on the gates, sure, but I really think the reason people didn't try to break into the Underworld in Sumer more often had something to do with the whole "once you enter you can never leave again" stipulation.
You left out the single most influential Underworld goddess of all. * points to Avatar * If you're looking for dominant and powerful Underworld goddesses, Hel and Ereshkigal don't hold a candle to Hecate.
Hecate however... well, let's see... Hecate owns one-third of the sea, the sky, and the Underworld, and, because she was Zeus' favorite, she is allowed final say concerning the fate of human beings. She overruled Hades word, and brought Persephone to Eleusis to be reunited with Demeter. There's also the small thing of her savior-cult, her witchcraft-cult, and her Eleusinian and Orphic Mysteries. If you want a dominant, powerful, and lasting Underworld goddess, there is no one who fills the shoes better than Hecate.
Although, if you're interested in Sumerian/Norse overlaps, Ninurta and Thor are very interesting as well. Both are farmer/craftsman deities, in charge of the harvest, who become savior-gods for human beings and receive a magical tool to protect the world with (Ninurta: the mace Sharur; Thor: the hammer Mjolnir). Both of them then go on to slay mountain-giants (Ninurta: Asag / Thor: actual mountain giants). There are other overlaps, not present in classical Greek, Roman, or Celtic myth that only show up in Sumerian and Norse. I had a thread on ATS about it once. I'll link to it when I find it again.