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reply to post by Leonidas
Um, you know that various authors have attempted to create a "Necronomicon" based off of H.P. Lovecraft's work, right?
You also know that a series of volumes mixing Babylonian and Assyrian mythology with New Age and Neopagan magic exist, right?
They're called the Simon Necronomicon, and there's a whole series of work surrounding them:
That's what is being discussed here.
~ Wandering Scribe
Bybyots But it's more than that, too, the "Simon" books have allowed for us fans to get years and years of extra mileage out of our beloved Lovecraft stories. Even if it is just the fun of watching folks try to sort out the Necronomicon on an ATS thread.
What is it exactly that makes them beloved-'able'?
and yes, they're good reads
Which is your favorite?
I don't suppose he ever wrote anything that at least 'ended' on a somewhat hopeful note? I really do have an appreciation for his talent...
It's obvious that this was a source in the Simon Necronomicon given the Sumerian names involved and direct copying from the text in parts, and it's also obvious this was interwoven with Babylonian elements of Ishtars descent, in fact it's ridiculously obvious.
To the land of no return, the land of darkness,
Ishtar, the daughter of Sin directed her thought,
Directed her thought, Ishtar, the daughter of Sin,
To the house of shadows, the dwelling, of Irkalla,
To the house without exit for him who enters therein,
To the road, whence there is no turning,
To the house without light for him who enters therein,
The place where dust is their nourishment, clay their food.'
They have no light, in darkness they dwell.
Babylonian Version 1
Queen of Heaven
Bright Light of the Nights
Mistress of the Gods
Set her mind in that direction
From Above she set her mind
To Below she set her mind
From the Heavens she set forth
To the Abyss
Out of the Gates of the Living
To enter the Gates of Death
Out of the Lands we know
Into the Lands we know not
When Ereshkigal heard this,
As when one hews down a tamarisk she trembled,
As when one cuts a reed, she shook
Babylonian Version 1
And ERESHKIGAL was pale with fear,
The Dark Waters stirred.
No that's not it at all, the conflict is based upon essential nature, i wouldn't consider the likes of Lamashtu and the Seven Evil Gallu Demons as motivated by idealism!
The myth can be read as a theistically-slanted argument on two modes of defining order: an immutable cosmological order (m e / partsu) whose unmistakable champion is E n m e sh a r r a , against a protean, individual-centred, volitional, anthropomorphic order, whose champion is E n l i l .
Never try to engage cthulhu in philosophical debate
“Thee I invoke, Mistress of the Rising Star,
Queen of Magick, of the Mountains of MASHU!
Thee I call forth this day to guard this Most Holy mandal against the Seven Ensnarers, the Seven-Liers-In-Wait, the evil Maskim, the Evil Lords!
Thee I summon, Queen of the Eastern Ways, that thou mayest protect me from the Eye of Death, and the evil rays of the ENDUKUGGA and NINDUKUGGA!
Be watchful, Queen of the Eastern Ways, and Remember!
Spirit of the East, Remember!”
Inanna spoke to her, saying:
'Ninshubur, my constant support,
My sukkal who gives me wise advice,
My warrior who fights by my side
The Seven, warriors unrivalled, their divine nature is different,
Their origins are strange, they are terrifying,
Whoever sees them is numbed with fear.
Their breath of life is death,
People are too frightened to appproach it!
An's worship, during recorded Sumerian history, is very scarce. His main temple, the E-ana in the city-state of Uruk, was commandeered by the goddess Inanna even. An is, to draw a parallel, like the Titanic generations of Greek mythology: coming before the Olympians, but having lost nearly, if not all, worship and status by the time of recorded history. If, however, you do enough digging in Sumerian mythology and literature, you will find four such pre-Anunnaki deities, they are:
An, the Heavens
Antu, the Sky
Urash, the Earth
Nammu, the Abyss/Sea
Right away it should be obvious that these four—whose worship may go back as far as 3000 years before that of commonly recognized Sumerian religion—are keepers of a sole office: Heaven, Sky, Land, Sea. They do not have diverse functions. In fact, the Sumerians, or their predecessors the Ubaids, had a very defined view of them, it looked something like this:
. Excellent point! Thank you and to my dear OP, this is an outstanding thread! Thank you.
As above so below.. or so the saying goes..
Interesting how the 7 gods, heavens, gates are symbolic of the 7 chakras in man..
Each one opens up and allows energy to flow through it.. each energy its own unique print..
Just a thought
When I noticed ALEISTER CROWLEY, sad thing was, he was nobody special, he was nothing more than a deranged sexual deviant and drug abuse
its no wonder why he saw illusions. He also mentions it himself of all the time he was trying to follow magic, was pointless in his later years. Only did it for revenge against religion.
He never conjured anything or found anything demonic, nothing more than a illusion.
Actually felt sorry for aleister crowley on way how religion broke him
He was just a normal man just like you or me, he was following his sexual lust of women,
trying to find proof of demons, and magic and yet he found nothing.
When I noticed ALEISTER CROWLEY, sad thing was, he was nobody special,
he was nothing more than a deranged sexual deviant and drug abuse,
its no wonder why he saw illusions. He also mentions it himself
of all the time he was trying to follow magic, was pointless
in his later years. Only
did it for revenge against religion.
He never conjured anything or found anything demonic, nothing
more than a illusion. Actually felt sorry for aleister crowley on
way how religion broke him . He was just a normal man just
like you or me, he was following his sexual lust of women,
trying to find proof of demons, and magic and yet
he found nothing.
reply to post by Kantzveldt
I spent a whole long holiday weekend last year debating this very thing with my oldest daughter- I maintaining that though loosely related and unordered that parts of the Necronomicon were very obviously taken from ancient civilizations mythos and spiritual belief traditions, she from the point of it being completely fictitious with no basis in any ancient religion whatsoever. She refused to see any of the similarities and I refused to un-see them so a truce was reached.
While it is a beautiful work of fiction it is still just that- fiction. There has been much success reported of those using ritual from the book to bring forth dark entities but I think it may be because darkness seeks any entrance it can find and perhaps intent is enough to aid in it's crossing of the veil- JMHO.